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God made man upright with freewill to be able to choose for himself without God having to force men to believe or not.
If God must "enable" man to believe before man can believe then God becomes morally culpable for all the unbelievers for His failure to enable them. Mt 8:26 Jesus said "ye of little faith". If God must enable men to believe before they can believe then Christ should have directed His criticism to God for God's failure to enable those disciples with sufficient faith they needed.
Rom 10:17 faith comes by hearing and hearing can be reading ink on paper and understanding what was written cf Eph 3:3,4.
O
our Father never 'randomly' picks.
He has known His elect from the foundation of the world, His blue-prints, for every thing and every one,
and no one can come to the Son, except the Father draw him.'
it is God that leads to repentance and one He appoints for one job, and one He appoints for another.
He hardened pharaohs heart yet brought Moses to his knees at the burning bush.
as it is written,
Jacob have I loved but Esau have I hated.
and again,
Jesus Christ, the same yesterday, today, and forever'.
amen.
He has known His elect from the foundation of the world, His blue-prints, for every thing and every one,
and no one can come to the Son, except the Father draw him.'
it is God that leads to repentance and one He appoints for one job, and one He appoints for another.
He hardened pharaohs heart yet brought Moses to his knees at the burning bush.
as it is written,
Jacob have I loved but Esau have I hated.
and again,
Jesus Christ, the same yesterday, today, and forever'.
amen.
Excellent!
yes, Truth as it was Ordained from the Very beginning, He knows us. because we have been with Him from the Very Beginning... He that Ordained Eternal Life, for us.. even before Christ Was Crucified, physically, God's Will be done on Earth.. as it is Decreed in Heaven.. God Brings everything full circle as it was supposed to be in the Garden of Eden, this time the 2nd Adam, the Christ, He never fails, and its thru Him and His Work at the Tree, that things will continue as they were from the Garden, only thing is, there wont be a 'serpent' to seduce anymore.. he will be in his eternal state which is Gehenna Fire, created for him by God Himself and the non elect angels that followed him in his insubordination.. and the 'wicked', those who were never redeemed by the Blood Of Christ, the Word calls these the 'damned' and eternal damnation will be there 'state'.. rebellion , its cost, total separation from God, as God will NOT BE PRESENT IN GEHENNA FIRE.. the human mind cannot grasp the reality of that punishment FOREVER.!
yes, Truth as it was Ordained from the Very beginning, He knows us. because we have been with Him from the Very Beginning... He that Ordained Eternal Life, for us.. even before Christ Was Crucified, physically, God's Will be done on Earth.. as it is Decreed in Heaven.. God Brings everything full circle as it was supposed to be in the Garden of Eden, this time the 2nd Adam, the Christ, He never fails, and its thru Him and His Work at the Tree, that things will continue as they were from the Garden, only thing is, there wont be a 'serpent' to seduce anymore.. he will be in his eternal state which is Gehenna Fire, created for him by God Himself and the non elect angels that followed him in his insubordination.. and the 'wicked', those who were never redeemed by the Blood Of Christ, the Word calls these the 'damned' and eternal damnation will be there 'state'.. rebellion , its cost, total separation from God, as God will NOT BE PRESENT IN GEHENNA FIRE.. the human mind cannot grasp the reality of that punishment FOREVER.!
How did God go about picking the elect you speak about above? What basis did God use to pick certain individuals to be of the elect leaving the rest out?
God choosing Israel/Jacob over Edom/Esau did not have to do with their salvation but if it did, then what basis did God use in going about choosing one over the other? What basis did God use in choosing to love one and hate the other? Random? If not, what then was the basis?
God choosing Israel/Jacob over Edom/Esau did not have to do with their salvation but if it did, then what basis did God use in going about choosing one over the other? What basis did God use in choosing to love one and hate the other? Random? If not, what then was the basis?
the only 'free will' man has is to run after his fallen will, dead in trespasses and sins, even mans fallen will, will run to the 'light' but its the wrong light, darkness posing as 'light, this is why man runs to man made religion, those who cut up christ and carnally discern the word, pulling Him down to their level, telling Him how He is suppose to act and that without 'man' He would never get it right'.. thats fallen will, but to 'man' it looks like 'light'.. Until a person is pulled from that 'darkness' and the Truth revealed to him/her, they are on the broad path, God has provided the Work, its done thru His Sons appeasement on the Tree, Christ crucified, SIMPLE belief in that , without adding anything from man, but man in his/her rebellion.. ADDS to it..thus all the different 'jesus's' out there, confusion, chaos, Only One LORD, ONE Like PRECIOUS FAITH, ONE BAPTISM, indeed, these all Grounded in God and the Merits of them Found in Him, and the Foundation Christ Crucified, no other way, this is the NARROW WAY. SORRy.. people offended, mad, angry at God, that still Wont change Him, He is the Same today tomorrow, and Forever... man in the height of his/her rebellion is coming. God will allow him /her to press forward with their man made gospel, according to 'man', but much like those at Babel, God will intervene, this time Its His Judgment and then the Final Judgment, leading to the Way it was suppose to be, no sin, no death, but Eternal Life and God dwelling in the Midst of His People! Indeed
Gen 4:7 "If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted? and if thou doest not well, sin lieth at the door. And unto thee shall behis desire, and thou shalt rule over him."
God demonstrates Cain had the freewill ability to choose to do well or choose to not do well. The conditional "ifs" show it was all Cain's choice to do well or not.
Jn 3:20,21 "For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved. But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God."
Some men choose not to come to the light other men do choose to come to the light.
O
Paul answers that same question with saying,
you will say, who then can stand'.
and then he says,
oh man, who are you to question God's choosing'...
another words,
God will do what He will,
create what He will,
choose who He will,
elect who He will,
show mercy to whom He will,
and
show wrath to whom He will.
He does not answer or justify Himself to any man.
I accept His will and His omnipotence, His wisdom,
and His decisions and His judgments.
I certainly do not understand them all but I know
that He is wise, good, and over-flowing with Eternal Love
you will say, who then can stand'.
and then he says,
oh man, who are you to question God's choosing'...
another words,
God will do what He will,
create what He will,
choose who He will,
elect who He will,
show mercy to whom He will,
and
show wrath to whom He will.
He does not answer or justify Himself to any man.
I accept His will and His omnipotence, His wisdom,
and His decisions and His judgments.
I certainly do not understand them all but I know
that He is wise, good, and over-flowing with Eternal Love
correct, His Own Stand because of Him and His Will and His Decree! indeed. even the 'wicked' stand today. because of Him, some dont understand that, because it has not been revealed to them, TODAY IF GOD WANTED , He could take and destroy all the WICKED in the blink of an eye, but what does Paul say? He reserves them unto Judgment, and thru this, He is able to DISPLAY HIS SOVEREIGN GRACE AND POWER AND WILL upon those whom He chooses to shew mercy.. so that NO MAN , NOT EVEN HIS ELECT, can boast in His presence of their ablitiies, the boasting from the Elect is for His Mercy and Grace upon their lives, as He manifests that unto those alive, these the Vessels Fitted to Receive His mercy, Grace, Un merited, I truly believe God does it this way so that the religious, proudful, the tares-weeds, can see His Divine Mercy and grace! this is what Hardens the hearts of the wicked, viewing and experiencing the Grace of God and Mercy Poured out on His Own, this based on His Divine Grace and not works which the wicked seek to be justified by........, this very evident from the time of Pharaoh and Moses and dealing with Pharaoh himself personally..... to God be the Glory!
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Why does God choose some individuals over others? Not sure.. why and What He used to make those decisions, not sure... WHO ARE WE to Question God? about His Decisions? out of pride and rebellion? mmmmm those He has chosen and revealed their Election to them, they all have one thing in Common, that Salvation, came thru the Bloody Tree, by the One who Gave Himself there for them, He will reveal that to them, the Man Christ Jesus, God manifest in the flesh, He who has been made a quickening Spirit.... Im not going to question God as to why He chose me? IM JUST SO VERY THANKFUL today He did.. and it NOT BASED ON my merits, or Him looking thru time to 'see if I would choose Him' , I wouldnt of , because of How Rebellious I was at that time... it was Based On God's plan, and I will TRUST in that. not man, nor his/her wisdom, nor what 'he/she thinks I should be doing according to man made religion and one of the many jesus's they hold out there 'i could fit into because of my dna or genes chromosomes'.. lolz.. Salvation is all about God, His Merits, His Mercy, His Calling, His Redemption, His Righteousness, His Sanctification, His Glorification... Its all about Him, those clay vessels He chooses to Show Mercy on. Understand this as they see a world that is dark, lost, and on the broad path to destruction according to God's Holy Character ... indeed!
As His vessel ,chosen, to recieve His Mercy, as an observer, a bystander , a labourer in a fallen world, I marvel, as I see the countries of this planet, the Govt' s that were given them, even down to the states ,cities municipals etc. God gave those for a reason, for stability, without Govt and Authorities you would have a free for all,------> NOW man in his flesh -carnal, is given the opportunity to ELECT officials to run these govts'.. ----> they call candidates, choose their own candidates out of their own parties, then call an Election to have the people choose.... man choosing his/her own candidates or people to fill that OFFICE..
I find it highly spurious and rebellious when one begins to reveal to Mankind 'God has chosen His Own People'.. CHOSEN OUT OF MANKIND, HISTORY, those who He would call and Save, by HIS OWN ELECTION... out of His Own Eternal Purpose, by His Own Standards He chooses.........lolz.. those today, according to many ....Man has the right to choose his candidates, his election, but God DOES NOT HAVE THAT RIGHT. to choose His Own, this proclaimed and heralded according to spurious and rebellious man... they tell God how to Act and what He can do and cant do... you see the Subtle voice of the Serpent there and the Mystery of Iniquity , no where is this spurious teaching found other than the so called proclaimed 'bride of Christ' lol.. no , thats no bride, thats an Apostate, an imposter.... lolz... I've come to call these spurious apostates, the AL HAIG's of christianity... because the step up to the podium and proclaim-------------> Im in control here' all aspects of it.. who is saved, who is lost, who belongs here, who belongs there.. etc.. the Al Haigs of christianity, a simple term for those would be 'weeds-tares' growing up along side the Good Seed! indeed.. Salvation is ALL ABOUT GOD.. not Man, man in his ego pride, will eventually perish in that pride and ego, as they tatste the flames that burn them, yet does not consume them.. indeed!
I find it highly spurious and rebellious when one begins to reveal to Mankind 'God has chosen His Own People'.. CHOSEN OUT OF MANKIND, HISTORY, those who He would call and Save, by HIS OWN ELECTION... out of His Own Eternal Purpose, by His Own Standards He chooses.........lolz.. those today, according to many ....Man has the right to choose his candidates, his election, but God DOES NOT HAVE THAT RIGHT. to choose His Own, this proclaimed and heralded according to spurious and rebellious man... they tell God how to Act and what He can do and cant do... you see the Subtle voice of the Serpent there and the Mystery of Iniquity , no where is this spurious teaching found other than the so called proclaimed 'bride of Christ' lol.. no , thats no bride, thats an Apostate, an imposter.... lolz... I've come to call these spurious apostates, the AL HAIG's of christianity... because the step up to the podium and proclaim-------------> Im in control here' all aspects of it.. who is saved, who is lost, who belongs here, who belongs there.. etc.. the Al Haigs of christianity, a simple term for those would be 'weeds-tares' growing up along side the Good Seed! indeed.. Salvation is ALL ABOUT GOD.. not Man, man in his ego pride, will eventually perish in that pride and ego, as they tatste the flames that burn them, yet does not consume them.. indeed!
and My Prayer for those who dont understand this, ridicule it, ridicule me, blaspheme God thru their ignorance as Saul of Tarsus did, that He would have mercy on them, I tell God these people were just like me, but you had Mercy on me, now I ask you to do the Same, in your Wrath, Have mercy... indeed, the Same Cry that came from Christ, from the Tree, Father, forgive them, for they know not what they do''. indeed, the Cry from a Heart that has been Redeemed, yet Crucified with him daily! the Narrow way. there is no other way indeed!
Job's Cry is my cry....--------> my cry is his cry.. oh so much so!-------------------------->
Oh that I knew where I might find Him! that I might come even to His Seat!
I would order my Cause before Him, and fill my mouth with arguments.
I would know the Words which He would answer me, and Understand what He would say unto me.
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[TD="class: td_bible_text"]Will He plead against me with His Great Power? No; but He would put Strength in me. Job 23
the Words He would tell me.... ''Travis, forgive them, for they know not what they do'' indeed...
the POWER IN FORGIVENESS , truly from a rengenrated Heart! the gates of Hades tremble at this...
its Truly Resurrection Power![/TD]
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Oh that I knew where I might find Him! that I might come even to His Seat!
I would order my Cause before Him, and fill my mouth with arguments.
I would know the Words which He would answer me, and Understand what He would say unto me.
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[TD="class: td_bible_text"]Will He plead against me with His Great Power? No; but He would put Strength in me. Job 23
the Words He would tell me.... ''Travis, forgive them, for they know not what they do'' indeed...
the POWER IN FORGIVENESS , truly from a rengenrated Heart! the gates of Hades tremble at this...
its Truly Resurrection Power![/TD]
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no?
ever read Isaiah chapter 6 ?
He said, “Go and tell this people:
“ ‘Be ever hearing, but never understanding;
be ever seeing, but never perceiving.’
Make the heart of this people calloused;
make their ears dull
and close their eyes.
Otherwise they might see with their eyes,
hear with their ears,
understand with their hearts,
and turn and be healed. ”
“ ‘Be ever hearing, but never understanding;
be ever seeing, but never perceiving.’
Make the heart of this people calloused;
make their ears dull
and close their eyes.
Otherwise they might see with their eyes,
hear with their ears,
understand with their hearts,
and turn and be healed. ”
what's that all about then?
He chose Saul to be king.
first He revealed it to Samuel.
then He revealed it by lottery.
then after all this He revealed it by Saul's appearance, a head taller than all the others.
before he was anointed by the prophet. before the spirit came over him, changed him into a new person, causing him to prophesy. before the people chose him by lots. before his stature testified to his standing.
before all this, the One who knows the end since the beginning chose him.
sovereignty would have it no other way.
we see in part, but then, we will see in full.
first He revealed it to Samuel.
then He revealed it by lottery.
then after all this He revealed it by Saul's appearance, a head taller than all the others.
before he was anointed by the prophet. before the spirit came over him, changed him into a new person, causing him to prophesy. before the people chose him by lots. before his stature testified to his standing.
before all this, the One who knows the end since the beginning chose him.
sovereignty would have it no other way.
we see in part, but then, we will see in full.