Theistic Evolution vs. Christian Worldview

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JackH

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superdave5221 said:
My thought is the gross defect in intelligence is not in the Creator, but in the supposer, in this case, one JackH.
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Hey now. I didn’t say, “Let’s be real, let’s not make a joke of ourselves.” Pat Robertson said that to Ken Ham.

Pat Robertson also said things like:

“We have skeletons of dinosaurs that go back like 65 million years. And to say that it all came around 6 thousand years ago is nonsense.”

“So there was a big bang. So? That doesn’t mean it came spontaneously. Nobody knows what caused it, the Big Bang. But I say God did it. God caused all this. He is the author of all life.”

“I don’t believe in so-called evolution as non-theistic. I believe that God started it all and he’s in charge of it all. The fact that you have progressive evolution under His control. That doesn’t hurt my faith at all.”
 
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eternally-gratefull

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JackH said:
Hey now. I didn’t say, “Let’s be real, let’s not make a joke of ourselves.” Pat Robertson said that to Ken Ham.

Pat Robertson also said things like:

“We have skeletons of dinosaurs that go back like 65 million years. And to say that it all came around 6 thousand years ago is nonsense.”

“So there was a big bang. So? That doesn’t mean it came spontaneously. Nobody knows what caused it, the Big Bang. But I say God did it. God caused all this. He is the author of all life.”

“I don’t believe in so-called evolution as non-theistic. I believe that God started it all and he’s in charge of it all. The fact that you have progressive evolution under His control. That doesn’t hurt my faith at all.”
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Yes it does.

It states

1. God is a liar
2. God is incapable of creating an aged earth totally capable of sustaining life that he created it for
3. It gives worldview an edge and a reason to deny God.
 
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JackH

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eternally-gratefull said:
Yes it does.

It states

1. God is a liar
2. God is incapable of creating an aged earth totally capable of sustaining life that he created it for
3. It gives worldview an edge and a reason to deny God.
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1. What, exactly, states God is a liar?

2. God created an aged earth. But Genesis 1 does not say when. Other evidence indicates, in my opinion, the earth is closer to 4.5 billion years old than 6,000 years old.

3. Did you read the first post that started this thread? Worldview are the good guys, so he says.
 
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You're not lazy, you are just pacing yourself.;)

How come you are only showing 44 posts. Were you off for awhile?
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hahahaha!! pacing myself. lurve that. :)

yeah, took a leave of absence, but now, as i told one friend,
i'm back to burden y'all with my words.
(you've been warned)
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1. What, exactly, states God is a liar?

2. God created an aged earth. But Genesis 1 does not say when. Other evidence indicates, in my opinion, the earth is closer to 4.5 billion years old than 6,000 years old.
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What evidence? How can you trust evidence which is not provable since no one was there in the begining to know how things worked?

Your opinion would not sit with scripture. Man was created in the first week of creation. and it is known from genealogies that man has only been on earth for 6000 and some years.

I will take that evidence over flawed science anyday.,
 
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eternally-gratefull said:

How can you trust evidence which is not provable since no one was there in the begining to know how things worked?
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You can't even spell "beginning" so how would you know how things worked in the beginning?
 
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JackH said:
You can't even spell "beginning" so how would you know how things worked in the beginning?
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lol.. this is all you have??

I don;t know how things worked then. What I do know., is that they did nt work as they do now.. which is why you can;t measure things the way they are today, and use them to determine how old things were back then.
 
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When I was younger I had this book showing why evolution was an incorrect theory. The main reason that stuck out to me was there was no "in-between" animals in the fossil record. If evolution were true and things evolve then there should be tons of "in-between" animals. Like fish with one foot. Then 2. Etc.

I showed this book to a guy around my age who had his bachelors degree in science and I asked him that question. He was really mad and refused to talk to me. I didn't get it. Why get mad? Surely there is an explanation in the science community for this problem with their theory.
 
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In all honesty, I don't think Pat Robertson paints a good picture. He's an absolute moron. The fact that he's a theistic evolutionist doesn't do him any favours, it hurts his credibility as a Christian. Trusting Science over Scripture? That's foolish behaviour.
 
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In all honesty, I don't think Pat Robertson paints a good picture. He's an absolute moron. The fact that he's a theistic evolutionist doesn't do him any favours, it hurts his credibility as a Christian. Trusting Science over Scripture? That's foolish behaviour.
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Of course you don't think Pat Robertson paints a good picture. Because he doesn't paint YOUR picture. You probably don't think the Pope paints a good picture regarding evolution either. Or any other religious leader who doesn't paint YOUR picture.

You think Ken Ham paints a good picture, right? He's an absolute moron, in my opinion.
 
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JackH

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eternally-gratefull said:

it is known from genealogies that man has only been on earth for 6000 and some years.
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Did you study these genealogies yourself directly from the Bible and conclude that man has only been on earth for 6,000 and some years? Or are you taking some man's word for it? If so, who is that man?
 
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eternally-gratefull

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JackH said:
Did you study these genealogies yourself directly from the Bible and conclude that man has only been on earth for 6,000 and some years? Or are you taking some man's word for it? If so, who is that man?
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it is called the word of God. Or have you not heard of that?
 
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JackH said:
Of course you don't think Pat Robertson paints a good picture. Because he doesn't paint YOUR picture. You probably don't think the Pope paints a good picture regarding evolution either. Or any other religious leader who doesn't paint YOUR picture.

You think Ken Ham paints a good picture, right? He's an absolute moron, in my opinion.
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At least Ham has the stones to trust God at His Word, as it's written. Much of Christendom is bowing to the nonsense Science that is evolution. Evolution isn't the answer, nor is it God. God doesn't think much of those who are lukewarm.
Satan: "Did God really say?..." Yes. Yes, He did. Read from the Bible, not into the Bible.
 
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ThomistColin said:
Actually no. Even the Talmud shows that the Jews of the early centuries AD believed that the seven days of creation were an image of explanation in which Moses tried to convey the unknowable and inconceivable. So, let us first be honest. There is a difference between a differing views on the interpretation of Scripture and denying God as first.
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Talmud from Rabbinical Judaism ...same ones who rejected their Messiah...now that's a stellar source.
 
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Either theistic evolution is true or the Scriptures are true...not both. You can't have evolution without life/death cycles building up to man even if God is steering the ship.
That would contradict the Scriptures clear teaching of how death entered creation in the first place...

Romans 5:12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:

Romans 8:20-22 For the creation was subjected to futility – not willingly but because of God who subjected it – in hope that the creation itself will also be set free from the bondage of decay into the glorious freedom of God’s children.
For we know that the whole creation groans and suffers together until now.
 
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The Bible says the earth rock was here for long long time as long as the univeres when God created it.
Then God came and created it in the way it sits now

the rocks test very old because they are

there is no doubt the flood hapened 4000 years ago and that the earth as it looks today with air and water could not have been here millions of years ago

Creeks degrade and wash out take ANY CREEK and calculate the washout and it comes to a maximum of a few thousand years

in a million years all rivers and crreks would be 100 miles deep
 
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2Thewaters said:
The Bible says the earth rock was here for long long time as long as the univeres when God created it.
Then God came and created it in the way it sits now

the rocks test very old because they are

there is no doubt the flood hapened 4000 years ago and that the earth as it looks today with air and water could not have been here millions of years ago

Creeks degrade and wash out take ANY CREEK and calculate the washout and it comes to a maximum of a few thousand years

in a million years all rivers and crreks would be 100 miles deep
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No. The bible says the earth, The universe, the plants and animals (of every kind) and man were created at the SAME TIME.

and it does not say it is very old. Quite the contrary

 
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JackH

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eternally-gratefull said:
No. The bible says the earth, The universe, the plants and animals (of every kind) and man were created at the SAME TIME.

and it does not say it is very old. Quite the contrary
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And dinosaurs and man coexisted, right?

And man hunted dinosaurs like Native Americans hunted buffalo, right?

Or maybe not. Maybe T-Rex and man were buddies.

What do you suppose the relationship between man and dinosaurs was like? No wait. You don't suppose, you know.

So tell us.
 
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JackH said:
Hey now. I didn’t say, “Let’s be real, let’s not make a joke of ourselves.” Pat Robertson said that to Ken Ham.

Pat Robertson also said things like:

“We have skeletons of dinosaurs that go back like 65 million years. And to say that it all came around 6 thousand years ago is nonsense.”

“So there was a big bang. So? That doesn’t mean it came spontaneously. Nobody knows what caused it, the Big Bang. But I say God did it. God caused all this. He is the author of all life.”

“I don’t believe in so-called evolution as non-theistic. I believe that God started it all and he’s in charge of it all. The fact that you have progressive evolution under His control. That doesn’t hurt my faith at all.”
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Atmospheric changes can do a lot. If there was a flood then there must been some environmental changes; Plant life grows differently at certain attitudes and I noticed that kids are developing bigger but aging quickly from the time when I was a child; but is it do to environmental changes, like since we have GMO food products on the store shelves, there's been increase of health issues that can hinder the development of a fetus. So things can change rapidly if something has been altered in the environment.

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