THEOLOGICAL JUSTIFICATION FOR SUNDAY OBSERVANCE - THE NEW CREATION

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trofimus

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"Israel" is only a name given by God himself to represent his people that BELIEVE and FOLLOW HIM.

Galatians 3
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THERE IS NEITHER JEW NOR GREEK , there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: FOR YOU ALL ALL ONE IN CHRIST JESUS AND IF YOU BE CHRISTS, THEN YOU ARE ABRAHAM'S SEED FOR YOU ARE ALL ONE IN CHRIST JESUS and IF YOU BE CHRISTS, THEN ARE YOU ABRAHAM'S SEED, AND HEIRS ACCORDING TO THE PROMISE.

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Romans 9
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FOR THEY ARE NOT ALL ISRAEL WHICH ARE OF ISRAEL,: NEITHER, BECAUSE THEY ARE THE SEED OF ABRAHAM, ARE THEY ALL CHILDREN : but in Isaac shall thy seed be called <Christ> That is, THEY WHICH ARE THE CHILDREN OF THE FLESH, THESE ARE NOT THE CHILDREN OF GOD: BUT THE CHILDREN OF THE PROMIS E <those who believe> ARE COUNTED FOR THE SEED

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Romans 2
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, [FONT=&]FOR HE IS NOT A JEW WHICH IS ONE OUTWARDLY; NEITHER IS THAT CIRCUMCISION, WHICH IS OUTWARDS IN THE FLESH: 29, BUT HE IS A JEW WHICH IS ONE INWARDLY; and CIRCUMCISION IS OF THE HEART, IN THE SPIRIT, AND NOT IN THE LETTER;[/FONT][FONT=&] whose praise is not of men, but of God.[/FONT]

If you are not a part of God's Israel circumcised in the heart by Faith you are not a part of the NEW Covenant...

Hebrews 8:10-12,
For this is the COVENANT that I will make with the house of ISRAEL after those days, says the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people: And they shall not teach every man his neighbor, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest. For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.

If you are a BELIEVER and FOLLOWER of GOD'S WORD then you are a part of GOD'S Israel if you are still in your SINS and do not BELIEVE God's WORD then it is true you are NOT a part of God's ISRAEL.
Israel has several meanings.

The Law of Moses was given to nation named Israel. To ones who are circumcised. Regardless if they believed or not.

And only till Christ.
 
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Israel has several meanings.

The Law of Moses was given to nation named Israel. To ones who are circumcised. Regardless if they believed or not.

And only till Christ.

You should believe the scriptures already posted, there are many more. If you are not a part of God's Israel you have no part in the NC

Romans 11

13, For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office:
14, If by any means I may provoke to emulation them which are my flesh, and might save some of them.
15, For if the casting away of them be the reconciling of the world, what shall the receiving of them be, but life from the dead?
16, For if the firstfruit be holy, the lump is also holy: and if the root be holy, so are the branches.
17, And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert graffed in among them,5 and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;
18, Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee.
19, Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be graffed in.
20, Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:
21, For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.
22, Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.
23, And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again.
 

trofimus

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You should believe the scriptures already posted, there are many more. If you are not a part of God's Israel you have no part in the NC

Romans 11

13, For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office:
14, If by any means I may provoke to emulation them which are my flesh, and might save some of them.
15, For if the casting away of them be the reconciling of the world, what shall the receiving of them be, but life from the dead?
16, For if the firstfruit be holy, the lump is also holy: and if the root be holy, so are the branches.
17, And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert graffed in among them,5 and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;
18, Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee.
19, Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be graffed in.
20, Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:
21, For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.
22, Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.
23, And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again.
I am not part of physical Israel, I am not circumcised, I am not under the Mosaic Law.

You are not either, you are just confused about who you are. The worse thing is that you are trying to confuse also others.

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I am part of the spiritual Israel, with faith and under Christ. With spiritual circumcision and with the spiritual laws, in the spiritual kingdom of God, who is Spirit.
 
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lightbearer

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God's 4th commandment is not special from the rest of OT commandments. It was given to Jews till Christ.
So the Ten Commandments then are not special from the rest of the OT? The Words spoken, hand delivered, and written directly by GOD on the Tables of Stone and now on our hearts are not special from the rest of the Old Testament?

In essence you are right. The only things that have changed is there is a new Priesthood; which is us through Jesus Christ, the High Priest.

The Temple; which is us through the body of Jesus Christ. Him being the Head and Chief Cornerstone.

The Ark of the Covenant; which is us through the Body of Christ, the Ark of the Covenant of GOD. Having the Commandments written in the fleshly tables of our hearts and in our minds. Being place in Christ; enshrouded by the Glory of GOD. Protected by the storm of this world through HIS Spirit.

And the Ministration; which is us through Christ, having the Commandments, HIS Statutes, HIS Word, HIS Christ in our hearts and in our mouths that we do it. No longer relying on that which was written on parchment and stone. Because it; the Commandments, HIS Statutes, HIS Word is now who we are through Christ; we being the Body of Christ, the Temple of GOD.

And such trust have we through Christ to God-ward: Not that we are sufficient of ourselves to think any thing as of ourselves; but our sufficiency is of God; Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.
(2Co 3:4-6 KJV)
 
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trofimus

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So the Ten Commandments then are not special from the rest of the OT? The Words spoken, hand delivered, and written directly by GOD on the Tables of Stone and now on our hearts are not special from the rest of the Old Testament?

In essence you are right. The only things that have changed is there is a new Priesthood; which is us through Jesus Christ, the High Priest.

The Temple; which is us through the body of Jesus Christ. Him being the Head and Chief Cornerstone.

The Ark of the Covenant; which is us through the Body of Christ, the Ark of the Covenant of GOD. Having the Commandments written in the fleshly tables of our hearts and in our minds. Being place in Christ; enshrouded by the Glory of GOD. Protected by the storm of this world through HIS Spirit.

And the Ministration; which is us through Christ, having the Commandments, HIS Statutes, HIS Word, HIS Christ in our hearts and in our mouths that we do it. No longer relying on that which was written on parchment and stone. Because it; the Commandments, HIS Statutes, HIS Word is now who we are through Christ; we being the Body of Christ, the Temple of GOD.

And such trust have we through Christ to God-ward: Not that we are sufficient of ourselves to think any thing as of ourselves; but our sufficiency is of God; Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.
(2Co 3:4-6 KJV)
No, ten commandments are not to be isolated from other laws given to Israel.

While some laws are common (do not murder, do not steal), repeated also in the New covenant for Christians or in civil laws for Americans/Chinese/etc, some are specific for the time and the nation (hate your enemy, eye for an eye, keeping sabbath, killing witches, killing homosexuals...).
 
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I am not part of physical Israel, I am not circumcised, I am not under the Mosaic Law.

You are not either, you are just confused about who you are. The worse thing is that you are trying to confuse also others.

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I am part of the spiritual Israel, with faith and under Christ. With spiritual circumcision and with the spiritual laws, in the spiritual kingdom of God, who is Spirit.
hmm you seem to be just making up stuff now trofimus.

When did I ever refer to anyone being physical Israel in any of my posts and the scriptures I sent you?

Where in this post I sent you earlier do the scriptures refer to physical Israel .............

LoveGodsForever sad:
"Israel" is only a name given by God himself to represent his people that BELIEVE and FOLLOW HIM.

Galatians 3
28,
THERE IS NEITHER JEW NOR GREEK , there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: FOR YOU ALL ALL ONE IN CHRIST JESUS AND IF YOU BE CHRISTS, THEN YOU ARE ABRAHAM'S SEED FOR YOU ARE ALL ONE IN CHRIST JESUS and IF YOU BE CHRISTS, THEN ARE YOU ABRAHAM'S SEED, AND HEIRS ACCORDING TO THE PROMISE.

links with.....

Romans 9
6,
FOR THEY ARE NOT ALL ISRAEL WHICH ARE OF ISRAEL,: NEITHER, BECAUSE THEY ARE THE SEED OF ABRAHAM, ARE THEY ALL CHILDREN : but in Isaac shall thy seed be called <Christ> That is, THEY WHICH ARE THE CHILDREN OF THE FLESH, THESE ARE NOT THE CHILDREN OF GOD: BUT THE CHILDREN OF THE PROMIS E <those who believe> ARE COUNTED FOR THE SEED

and again.....

Romans 2
28
, FOR HE IS NOT A JEW WHICH IS ONE OUTWARDLY; NEITHER IS THAT CIRCUMCISION, WHICH IS OUTWARDS IN THE FLESH: 29, BUT HE IS A JEW WHICH IS ONE INWARDLY; and CIRCUMCISION IS OF THE HEART, IN THE SPIRIT, AND NOT IN THE LETTER; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

If you are not a part of God's Israel circumcised in the heart by Faith you are not a part of the NEW Covenant...

Hebrews 8:10-12,
For this is the COVENANT that I will make with the house of ISRAEL after those days, says the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people: And they shall not teach every man his neighbor, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest. For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.

If you are a BELIEVER and FOLLOWER of GOD'S WORD then you are a part of GOD'S Israel if you are still in your SINS and do not BELIEVE God's WORD then it is true you are NOT a part of God's ISRAEL.
We should BELIEVE and FOLLOW GOD'S Word. Unbelievers and those who hold on to SIN have no place in the Kingdom of Heaven my friend.

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God's 4th commandment is one of the ten ( Exodus 20:8-11 ) and like any of the ten, if we knowingly break it when God ask s us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

There is not one scripture in ALL of God's WORD that says God's 4th commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to worship God on Sunday in it's place.

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

Only the believers and followers of God's Word are his people. Those that practice SIN will NOT enter into the Kingdom of Heaven.
 

lightbearer

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No, ten commandments are not to be isolated from other laws given to Israel.
Never said they were. This was said "In essence you are right". It is all the Word, HIS Commandments and statues that Hang (depend) on our loving GOD and Loving one another. Hence having the Commandments, HIS Statutes, HIS Word, HIS Christ in our hearts and in our mouths. That my friend equates to much more than the Ten.

So the Ten Commandments then are not special from the rest of the OT? The Words spoken, hand delivered, and written directly by GOD on the Tables of Stone and now on our hearts are not special from the rest of the Old Testament?

In essence you are right. The only things that have changed is there is a new Priesthood; which is us through Jesus Christ, the High Priest.

The Temple; which is us through the body of Jesus Christ. Him being the Head and Chief Cornerstone.

The Ark of the Covenant; which is us through the Body of Christ, the Ark of the Covenant of GOD. Having the Commandments written in the fleshly tables of our hearts and in our minds. Being placed in Christ; enshrouded by the Glory of GOD. Protected by the storm of this world through HIS Spirit.

And the Ministration; which is us through Christ, having the Commandments, HIS Statutes, HIS Word, HIS Christ in our hearts and in our mouths that we do it. No longer relying on that which was written on parchment and stone. Because it; the Commandments, HIS Statutes, HIS Word is now who we are through Christ; we being the Body of Christ, the Temple of GOD.

And such trust have we through Christ to God-ward: Not that we are sufficient of ourselves to think any thing as of ourselves; but our sufficiency is of God; Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.
(2Co 3:4-6 KJV)
 

valiant

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Is there any validity to the argument that the Ten Commandments were all abolished at the cross, and then nine of them restored in the New Testament? This is a specious invention to attempt evasion of the fourth commandment.


It is a specious invention because the Law only applied to Israel. The ten commandments were specifically given to Israel and no one else. They never needed to be 'restored'.


No Christian has ever found fault with nine of the commandments. Why would they want to get rid of the fourth?
They were given only to Israel so why should Christians find fault with them? Christians accept the greater commandments as given by Jesus (Matt 5-7; 19.16-19)
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Obviously because they are breaking it and do not want to believe that they stand condemned by it.
FALSE.


Can they annul the entire decalogue, and then reinstate nine of them?
They have the laws as enunciated by Jesus. The socalled Decalogue were stipulations of God's covenant with ISRAEL

The mosaic law was annulled—not the Ten Commandments.
lol if the Mosaic Law was annulled there go the ten commandments.

Further, James has declared that the whole of that law is binding, and breaking any one of them is sin. How can anybody extract the fourth commandment from the Ten Commandments and still call it a “whole law”?
But the whole law is not the ten commandments. However James was speaking of unbelievers. And to them the whole of God's law applies, not just the ten commandments,

You are besotted with the ten commandments.
 
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prove-all

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Israel has several meanings.

The Law of Moses was given to nation named Israel.
To ones who are circumcised. Regardless if they believed or not.

And only till Christ.
1 Chronicles 16:17 (KJV)
And hath confirmed the same to Jacob for a law,
and to Israel for an everlasting covenant,

Psalms 105:10 (KJV)
And confirmed the same unto Jacob for a law,
and to Israel for an everlasting covenant:

Psalms 78:5 (KJV)
For he established a testimony in Jacob, and appointed a law in Israel,
which he commanded our fathers, that they should make them known
to their children:

Isaiah 42:24 (KJV)
Who gave Jacob for a spoil, and Israel to the robbers? did not the Lord,
he against whom we have sinned? for they would not walk in his ways,
neither were they obedient unto his law.


to Israel for an everlasting covenant: So did God lie to them?

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God's heritage

Job 31:2 (KJV)
For what portion of God is there from above?
and what inheritance of the Almighty from on high?

Psalms 127:3 (KJV)
Lo, children are an heritage of the Lord:
and the fruit of the womb is his reward.

Psalms 33:12 (KJV)
Blessed is the nation whose God is the Lord; and the people
whom he hath chosen for [his own inheritance].

1 Kings 8:51 (KJV)
For they be thy people, and thine inheritance, which thou broughtest
forth out of Egypt, from the midst of the furnace of iron:

Deuteronomy 4:20 (KJV)
But the Lord hath taken you, and brought you forth out of the iron furnace,
even out of Egypt, to be unto him a people of inheritance, as ye are this day.

1 Kings 8:53 (KJV)
For thou didst separate them from among all the people of the earth,
to be thine inheritance, as thou spakest by the hand of Moses thy servant,
when thou broughtest our fathers out of Egypt, O Lord God.

Isaiah 19:25 (KJV)
Whom the Lord of hosts shall bless, saying, Blessed be Egypt my people,
and Assyria the work of my hands, and [Israel mine inheritance].

Psalms 68:9 (KJV)
Thou, O God, didst send a plentiful rain, whereby thou
didst confirm thine inheritance, when it was weary.

Psalms 74:2 (KJV)
Remember thy congregation, which thou hast purchased of old; the rod of thine
inheritance, which thou hast redeemed; this mount Zion, wherein thou hast dwelt.

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Psalms 94:14 (KJV)
For the Lord will not cast off his people, neither will he forsake his inheritance.

Ezekiel 22:16 (KJV)
And thou shalt take thine inheritance in thyself in the sight of the heathen,
and thou shalt know that I am the Lord.
 

Nehemiah6

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No, ten commandments are not to be isolated from other laws given to Israel.
Why not? They are valid in both the Old and the New Covenants, and are also the foundation for the conscience and the Law of Christ. These were the only commandments written in stone by the finger of God, and are the only commandments written on the hearts and minds of God's people. So it is God who isolates them and gives them a unique position among all His commandments, and then condenses them into the two greatest commandments.