There Are Many Scriptures That Disprove The Trinity
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Greetings johnluke,
I was interested in your examination of some of the OT titles for God. I commend your research in that it is important to look more closely at some of these things and seek to understand what the Scriptures are conveying, and also to try to recognise the importance of these meanings in each particular context.
I suggest that you need to re-examine your conclusions on the portion quoted, as the Name of God, Yahweh is applied in the very reference that you allude to. But contrary to what you state, it is Yahweh who is seated, and He invites David’s Lord, the Lord Jesus Christ to sit at His right hand. Thus in this context, Jesus is not Yahweh, but it is God the Father who is Yahweh.
Psalm 110:1 (KJV): The LORD (Yahweh) said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.
Kind regards
Trevor
I was interested in your examination of some of the OT titles for God. I commend your research in that it is important to look more closely at some of these things and seek to understand what the Scriptures are conveying, and also to try to recognise the importance of these meanings in each particular context.
I suggest that you need to re-examine your conclusions on the portion quoted, as the Name of God, Yahweh is applied in the very reference that you allude to. But contrary to what you state, it is Yahweh who is seated, and He invites David’s Lord, the Lord Jesus Christ to sit at His right hand. Thus in this context, Jesus is not Yahweh, but it is God the Father who is Yahweh.
Psalm 110:1 (KJV): The LORD (Yahweh) said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.
Kind regards
Trevor
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Greetings Bowman,
I appreciate your response, but I am uncertain of what you are claiming. I have only read a few of the pages in this thread and perhaps you could give me a more detailed explanation. The subject of Angels, or Messengers as you seem to prefer, covers many OT passages and possibly we have come to different conclusions. Could you explain why you say “mere angel”? The Angel in the bush is not a “mere” Angel or Messenger, but an Angel sent by God the Father to speak to Moses. I also understand that the Divine revelation in Genesis 17 is by means of an Angel sent by God, and the language of Genesis 17:22 indicates that when this Angel finished speaking then “Elohim”, that is the Angel, ascended again from Abraham.
Also Stephen also speaks of the angel that appeared to Moses in the bush:
Acts 7:30 (KJV): 30 And when forty years were expired, there appeared to him in the wilderness of mount Sina an angel of the Lord in a flame of fire in a bush.
How do you understand the following:
Exodus 23:20-21 (KJV): 20 Behold, I send an Angel before thee, to keep thee in the way, and to bring thee into the place which I have prepared. 21 Beware of him, and obey his voice, provoke him not; for he will not pardon your transgressions: for my name is in him.
Here is an Angel bearing the Name of Yahweh, but he is an Angel and not Yahweh Himself.
Kind regards
Trevor
I appreciate your response, but I am uncertain of what you are claiming. I have only read a few of the pages in this thread and perhaps you could give me a more detailed explanation. The subject of Angels, or Messengers as you seem to prefer, covers many OT passages and possibly we have come to different conclusions. Could you explain why you say “mere angel”? The Angel in the bush is not a “mere” Angel or Messenger, but an Angel sent by God the Father to speak to Moses. I also understand that the Divine revelation in Genesis 17 is by means of an Angel sent by God, and the language of Genesis 17:22 indicates that when this Angel finished speaking then “Elohim”, that is the Angel, ascended again from Abraham.
Also Stephen also speaks of the angel that appeared to Moses in the bush:
Acts 7:30 (KJV): 30 And when forty years were expired, there appeared to him in the wilderness of mount Sina an angel of the Lord in a flame of fire in a bush.
How do you understand the following:
Exodus 23:20-21 (KJV): 20 Behold, I send an Angel before thee, to keep thee in the way, and to bring thee into the place which I have prepared. 21 Beware of him, and obey his voice, provoke him not; for he will not pardon your transgressions: for my name is in him.
Here is an Angel bearing the Name of Yahweh, but he is an Angel and not Yahweh Himself.
Kind regards
Trevor
Elohim Is singular and plural, ONE God, [Singular], manifested in THREE persons, [Plural].
Elohim can mean,
God.
Angels.
Rulers.
and Judges.
But you have to put them in there right contexts, And in Gen 1: 1, & Gen 1: 26,has to be God,
It cannot be talking about Angels, rulers or judges, Because they didn't create anything.
God is the only creator.
See John 1: 1,
"In the beginning was the word, [Jesus], and the word was with God, [Theos], and the word,[ Jesus, was God, [Theos].
If Jesus wasn't God, Then God isn't God.
If God is God, Then so is Jesus.
Acts 5: 3--4, Calls the Holy Ghost God, [Theos].
So if the Holy Ghost isn't God, Then God isn't God, If God is God, Then so are Jesus and the Holy Ghost.
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Re: There is One God the Father, and our Lord Jesus Christ is the Son of God
Greetings faroukfarouk and Greetings again saved1975,
The difference between these two titles is the title “The Son of God” appears many times in the NT and describes our Lord Jesus Christ. Jesus was the Son of God by birth Luke 1:35. Jesus was the Son of God by his moral character, he was full of grace and truth John 1:14. Jesus has been exalted above all after his death and resurrection he was given immortality and as such he is in all aspects The Son of God. In contrast the title “God the Son” does not appear in Scriptures and does not correctly describe our Lord Jesus Christ.
I can almost agree with the above except Elohim represents the One God, the Father manifested in a multitude. Eventually God will be all and in all 1 Corinthians 15:28.
God is the only creator but in Genesis 1:26 he invited the angels to cooperate with him in the creation: “Let us”.
You read Jesus into John 1:1. Jesus was only named after his birth. It is The Word that pre-existed in John 1:1, not Jesus.
Kind regards
Trevor
Greetings faroukfarouk and Greetings again saved1975,
The difference between these two titles is the title “The Son of God” appears many times in the NT and describes our Lord Jesus Christ. Jesus was the Son of God by birth Luke 1:35. Jesus was the Son of God by his moral character, he was full of grace and truth John 1:14. Jesus has been exalted above all after his death and resurrection he was given immortality and as such he is in all aspects The Son of God. In contrast the title “God the Son” does not appear in Scriptures and does not correctly describe our Lord Jesus Christ.
I can almost agree with the above except Elohim represents the One God, the Father manifested in a multitude. Eventually God will be all and in all 1 Corinthians 15:28.
God is the only creator but in Genesis 1:26 he invited the angels to cooperate with him in the creation: “Let us”.
You read Jesus into John 1:1. Jesus was only named after his birth. It is The Word that pre-existed in John 1:1, not Jesus.
Kind regards
Trevor
Good questions, brother...
Here we have scriptural confirmation that the One God who spoke to Moses from the burning bush is actually The Messenger of The Lord, The Second Person of The Trinity, The Son…
Mark 12.26
But concerning the dead, that they are raised, have you not read in the book of Moses, as God spoke to him at the Bush, saying, "I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob"?
Mark 12 informs the reader that God spoke to Moses from the burning bush.
Acts 7.30 - 39
And forty years being fulfilled to him, The Messenger of the Lord appeared to him in a flame of fire in a bush in the wilderness of Mount Sinai. And seeing, Moses marveled at the sight. And he coming up to look, a voice of the Lord came to him: "I am the God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob." Ex. 3:6, 15 But becoming trembly, Moses did not dare to look. And the Lord said to him, "Loosen the sandal from your feet, for the place where you stand is holy ground. I surely saw the affliction of My people in Egypt, and I have heard their groan, and I came down to pluck them out. And now, come, I will send you to" Egypt. Ex. 3:5, 7, 8a, 10a This Moses, whom they denied, saying, Who appointed you a ruler and a judge, this one God has sent as ruler and redeemer by the hand of the Messenger who appeared to him in the Bush. This one led them out, having worked wonders and miraculous signs in the land of Egypt and in the Red Sea, and forty years in the wilderness. This is the Moses who said to the sons of Israel, " The Lord your God will raise up a Prophet to you" "from your brothers, One like me." You shall hear Him. Deut. 18:15 This is the one who was in the congregation in the wilderness with the Messenger who spoke to him in Mount Sinai, and with our fathers, who received living Words to give to us, to whom our fathers did not desire to be subject, but thrust him away, and turned their hearts back to Egypt,
Acts 7 informs the reader that The Messenger of The Lord appeared and spoke to Moses from the burning bush.
Thus…The Messenger of The Lord is God.
The Malek Yahweh (Exo 3.2) said that He was the El Shaddai (Exo 6.3) who appeared to the patriarchs (Gen 17.1, 35.11).
‘The Malek with His name in Him’ is referred to as God both before (Exo 23.19) and after (Exo 23.25) these verses – proving that this is not an angel, but God in the flesh.
Re: There is One God the Father, and our Lord Jesus Christ is the Son of God
There has always been, And will always be, ONE God, manifested in three persons,
God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit.
God didn't invited the angels to cooperate with him in the creation, God alone is the creatoor.
There has always been, And will always be, ONE God, manifested in three persons,
God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit.
God didn't invited the angels to cooperate with him in the creation, God alone is the creatoor.
Re: There is One God the Father, and our Lord Jesus Christ is the Son of God
Bible says God IS one
there is no trinity and that word says
by definition
THREE in ONE
when the BIble says ONE IN ONE
blasphemy
the very first word is blasphemous
if you say trinity you blaspheme God it is a slick trick by the devil
the whole churches preach blasphemy
saying the word in affirmation makes you a blasphemer
even debating it makes you a blasphemer
Bible says God IS one
there is no trinity and that word says
by definition
THREE in ONE
when the BIble says ONE IN ONE
blasphemy
the very first word is blasphemous
if you say trinity you blaspheme God it is a slick trick by the devil
the whole churches preach blasphemy
saying the word in affirmation makes you a blasphemer
even debating it makes you a blasphemer
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You should know that all caps and oversized fonts doesn't make your point better or stronger. Just makes you look desperate, obnoxious and needing attention. Seeing your huge post doesn't make me think 'oohh, he used big letters, so he must be right'. Just makes me roll my eyes and laugh off your silly post.
Not to mention just simply stating your belief in four words is in no way any sort of evidence, proof or any method to show why you believe what you believe. This is a horrible post in every way and lends nothing at all to the thread except to cause you to look less credible.
Not to mention just simply stating your belief in four words is in no way any sort of evidence, proof or any method to show why you believe what you believe. This is a horrible post in every way and lends nothing at all to the thread except to cause you to look less credible.
Re: There is One God the Father, and our Lord Jesus Christ is the Son of God
You said,
"You read Jesus into John 1:1. Jesus was only named after his birth. It is The Word that pre-existed in John 1:1, not Jesus".
[End quote],
Not According to the Bible, if you keep John 1: 1--14 in it's right context, You will see that Jesus was the word, And v14 says, "The word, [Jesus] was manifested in the flesh", Proving that the "WORD" in v1, is Jesus.
Also see Col 1: 12--19.
You said,
"You read Jesus into John 1:1. Jesus was only named after his birth. It is The Word that pre-existed in John 1:1, not Jesus".
[End quote],
Not According to the Bible, if you keep John 1: 1--14 in it's right context, You will see that Jesus was the word, And v14 says, "The word, [Jesus] was manifested in the flesh", Proving that the "WORD" in v1, is Jesus.
Also see Col 1: 12--19.
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I've heard it said that in the Great Tribulation, the devil will manifest himself as his own perverse counterfeit of the Trinity: Satan, the Antichrist (or the Beast) and the False Prophet. In this case though, they will be three distinct beings, Satan an angel and the other two mere men to whom Satan will give his power. God is one Being but three distinct persons. He can do that because He is God and we aren't. Satan, being a fallen angel, can surely not do that.
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Greetings again Bowman and saved1975,
I appreciate your response and I have quoted only your conclusions. I can understand to some extent how you reach these conclusions, but I find them difficult to accept. My understanding is that the angels spoke and acted on God's behalf. To actually claim that “The messenger of The Lord is God” is to me really stretching the imagination. You have slightly modified your earlier expression “Malek Yahweh IS Yahweh”, that is The Messenger of Yahweh is Yahweh. If the Messenger is a Messenger, then he is not the one who sends the message. Out of this slight confusion you seem to introduce the 2nd Person of the Trinity, and even go so far as to say that this 2nd person appeared in Moses’ or Abraham’s time in the flesh. I find no scriptural support for such a concept. We do have the appearance of three “men” to Abraham, and one of these three bears the Name Yahweh, but this is again the Name Bearing Angel or Messenger speaking and acting on Yahweh, God the Father’s behalf.
We individually must decide who the “us” and “our” represents in Genesis 1:26. I believe that God the Father, Yahweh invited the angels to cooperate in the creation of man. David in Psalm 8 separates Yahweh from Elohim when he speaks of the creation of man, and in prospect in the creation of Jesus.
Psalm 8:1 (KJV): 1 O LORD (Yahweh) our Lord, how excellent is thy name in all the earth! who hast set thy glory above the heavens.
5 For thou hast made him a little lower than the angels (Elohim), and hast crowned him with glory and honour.
Verse 5 is a summary and interpretation of Genesis 1:26, showing that when God invited the angels to cooperate in the creation of man, and making him after God and the angels image and likeness, then in effect man would then be made lower than the angels.
You stated this earlier, and I almost agreed, qualifying “manifested in three persons”. But have you considered why the word “Elohim” is also used for “Angels, Rulers and Judges”. The word Elohim does not automatically have that range of meaning, but the word Elohim is applied to Angels, Rulers and Judges when Yahweh, God the Father is manifested in these Angels, Rulers and Judges. They are given the responsibility to speak and act on God’s behalf, and they are thus called “Elohim”. Jesus explains this concept when speaking of the Judges in the following:
John 10:34-36 (KJV): 34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods? 35 If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken; 36 Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?
I take the “Word” in John 1:1 to be a personification or metaphor for God’s Wisdom, Purpose, Plan. This Wisdom, Purpose and Plan was made into flesh at the birth, education and revealing of the Son of God. This account of the birth and nurture of Jesus must also be compared and understood by comparison with Matthew’s and Luke’s account of the conception, birth and development of Jesus. There is a similar concept in Proverbs 8 where Wisdom is personified as a Woman who was with God in creation, and who stands at the gate of the city, and calls all to respond to follow in her wise counsel and paths.
Kind regards
Trevor
I appreciate your response and I have quoted only your conclusions. I can understand to some extent how you reach these conclusions, but I find them difficult to accept. My understanding is that the angels spoke and acted on God's behalf. To actually claim that “The messenger of The Lord is God” is to me really stretching the imagination. You have slightly modified your earlier expression “Malek Yahweh IS Yahweh”, that is The Messenger of Yahweh is Yahweh. If the Messenger is a Messenger, then he is not the one who sends the message. Out of this slight confusion you seem to introduce the 2nd Person of the Trinity, and even go so far as to say that this 2nd person appeared in Moses’ or Abraham’s time in the flesh. I find no scriptural support for such a concept. We do have the appearance of three “men” to Abraham, and one of these three bears the Name Yahweh, but this is again the Name Bearing Angel or Messenger speaking and acting on Yahweh, God the Father’s behalf.
We individually must decide who the “us” and “our” represents in Genesis 1:26. I believe that God the Father, Yahweh invited the angels to cooperate in the creation of man. David in Psalm 8 separates Yahweh from Elohim when he speaks of the creation of man, and in prospect in the creation of Jesus.
Psalm 8:1 (KJV): 1 O LORD (Yahweh) our Lord, how excellent is thy name in all the earth! who hast set thy glory above the heavens.
5 For thou hast made him a little lower than the angels (Elohim), and hast crowned him with glory and honour.
Verse 5 is a summary and interpretation of Genesis 1:26, showing that when God invited the angels to cooperate in the creation of man, and making him after God and the angels image and likeness, then in effect man would then be made lower than the angels.
You stated this earlier, and I almost agreed, qualifying “manifested in three persons”. But have you considered why the word “Elohim” is also used for “Angels, Rulers and Judges”. The word Elohim does not automatically have that range of meaning, but the word Elohim is applied to Angels, Rulers and Judges when Yahweh, God the Father is manifested in these Angels, Rulers and Judges. They are given the responsibility to speak and act on God’s behalf, and they are thus called “Elohim”. Jesus explains this concept when speaking of the Judges in the following:
John 10:34-36 (KJV): 34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods? 35 If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken; 36 Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?
I take the “Word” in John 1:1 to be a personification or metaphor for God’s Wisdom, Purpose, Plan. This Wisdom, Purpose and Plan was made into flesh at the birth, education and revealing of the Son of God. This account of the birth and nurture of Jesus must also be compared and understood by comparison with Matthew’s and Luke’s account of the conception, birth and development of Jesus. There is a similar concept in Proverbs 8 where Wisdom is personified as a Woman who was with God in creation, and who stands at the gate of the city, and calls all to respond to follow in her wise counsel and paths.
Kind regards
Trevor
Being perplexed as many are as from my view, that is given me, we are in a straight betwixt, when it comes to three in one
All three are one, and one are all three is the betwixt mankind is in over this
So I see all three in their roles, Baptisms so to speak, Jobs, they are called to do
And note:
Christ never spoke glory of himself to others did he? Christ being the Center pointed to the Center, Father, and Father pointed back to Christ the Son as the Center, The Holy Spirit of truth is in involved as well, and yet never speaks of himself, only of God
All three are not ever praising self, rather each other in unity, working together, no schisms
Wonder, should this be the same for us to praise others and npt self and what I think should be this or that way and exclude others in the process as being the center of attention?
We Praise Son, Son praises Father and Father praise Son and all his Children through the same Spirit of truth that led Jesus, and we all together now, many yet as one PRAISE YOU JESUS AND FATHER in you SPIRIT AND TRUTH FOREVER
Wondering making us one
Such as the body we are in is many parts yet one body, all play their part, you think making one body
All three are one, and one are all three is the betwixt mankind is in over this
So I see all three in their roles, Baptisms so to speak, Jobs, they are called to do
And note:
Christ never spoke glory of himself to others did he? Christ being the Center pointed to the Center, Father, and Father pointed back to Christ the Son as the Center, The Holy Spirit of truth is in involved as well, and yet never speaks of himself, only of God
All three are not ever praising self, rather each other in unity, working together, no schisms
Wonder, should this be the same for us to praise others and npt self and what I think should be this or that way and exclude others in the process as being the center of attention?
We Praise Son, Son praises Father and Father praise Son and all his Children through the same Spirit of truth that led Jesus, and we all together now, many yet as one PRAISE YOU JESUS AND FATHER in you SPIRIT AND TRUTH FOREVER
Wondering making us one
Such as the body we are in is many parts yet one body, all play their part, you think making one body
John 10:30 I and my Father are one.
All related verses to this oneness even though we see two, and the third is the guide to lead us, the Holy Spirit the same one that led Christ
Joh_1:1-2, Joh_5:17, Joh_5:23, Joh_8:58, Joh_14:9, Joh_14:23, Joh_16:15, Joh_17:10, Joh_17:21; Mat_11:27, Mat_28:19; 1Ti_3:16; Tit_2:13; 1Jo_5:7, 1Jo_5:20
[h=3]John 1:1-2[/h]Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. [SUP]2 [/SUP]The same was in the beginning with God.
John 5:17
Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
[SUP]17 [/SUP]But Jesus answered them, My Father worketh hitherto, and I work.
[h=3]John 5:23[/h]Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
[SUP]23 [/SUP]that all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.
[h=3]John 8:58[/h]Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
[SUP]58 [/SUP]Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.
[h=3]John 14:9[/h]Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
[SUP]9 [/SUP]Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?
[h=3]John 14:23[/h]Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
[SUP]23 [/SUP]Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.
[h=3]John 16:15[/h]Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
[SUP]15 [/SUP]All things that the Father hath are mine: therefore said I, that he shall take of mine, and shall shew it unto you.
[h=3]John 17:10[/h]Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
[SUP]10 [/SUP]And all mine are thine, and thine are mine; and I am glorified in them[h=3]John 17:21[/h]Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
[SUP]21 [/SUP]that they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
[h=3]Matthew 11:27[/h]Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
[SUP]27 [/SUP]All things are delivered unto me of my Father: and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal him.
[h=3]Matthew 28:19[/h]Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
[SUP]19 [/SUP]Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
[h=3]1 Timothy 3:16[/h]Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
[SUP]16 [/SUP]And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.
[h=3]Titus 2:13[/h]Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
[SUP]13 [/SUP]looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;
[h=3]1 John 5:7[/h]Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
[SUP]7 [/SUP]For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
[h=3]1 John 5:20[/h]Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
[SUP]20 [/SUP]And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.
All related verses to this oneness even though we see two, and the third is the guide to lead us, the Holy Spirit the same one that led Christ
Joh_1:1-2, Joh_5:17, Joh_5:23, Joh_8:58, Joh_14:9, Joh_14:23, Joh_16:15, Joh_17:10, Joh_17:21; Mat_11:27, Mat_28:19; 1Ti_3:16; Tit_2:13; 1Jo_5:7, 1Jo_5:20
[h=3]John 1:1-2[/h]Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. [SUP]2 [/SUP]The same was in the beginning with God.
John 5:17
Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
[SUP]17 [/SUP]But Jesus answered them, My Father worketh hitherto, and I work.
[h=3]John 5:23[/h]Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
[SUP]23 [/SUP]that all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.
[h=3]John 8:58[/h]Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
[SUP]58 [/SUP]Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.
[h=3]John 14:9[/h]Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
[SUP]9 [/SUP]Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?
[h=3]John 14:23[/h]Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
[SUP]23 [/SUP]Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.
[h=3]John 16:15[/h]Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
[SUP]15 [/SUP]All things that the Father hath are mine: therefore said I, that he shall take of mine, and shall shew it unto you.
[h=3]John 17:10[/h]Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
[SUP]10 [/SUP]And all mine are thine, and thine are mine; and I am glorified in them[h=3]John 17:21[/h]Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
[SUP]21 [/SUP]that they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
[h=3]Matthew 11:27[/h]Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
[SUP]27 [/SUP]All things are delivered unto me of my Father: and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal him.
[h=3]Matthew 28:19[/h]Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
[SUP]19 [/SUP]Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
[h=3]1 Timothy 3:16[/h]Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
[SUP]16 [/SUP]And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.
[h=3]Titus 2:13[/h]Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
[SUP]13 [/SUP]looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;
[h=3]1 John 5:7[/h]Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
[SUP]7 [/SUP]For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
[h=3]1 John 5:20[/h]Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
[SUP]20 [/SUP]And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.
The trinity is what the bible teaches. God the father is not God the Son is not God the holy spirit but all three are the same one God. It is just like water. Water is one but it coexists as three distinct phases which are solid, liquid, and gas but it is still water even though solid is not liquid and is not gas but all three are water.
The trinity is proven in many places in the bible. Examples would be when Jesus prayed to his father up in heaven after he was nailed to the cross, "Please forgive those who they not know what they have done." If the trinity did not exist, then Jesus would not be praying and asking his father to forgive them as if he could just do it himself and would of been praying only to himself.
Also, Jesus said that nobody can come to my father except through me. If there is no trinity, and since Jesus is God, then there would be no need to have a mediator but Jesus who is the son of God who is God is the redeemer and he is the mediator between us and God the father. The truth is the father in heaven is the creator (The bible never did it say that Jesus himself created the heavens and earth and all of us. God the father did.) God the son who is Jesus is God and man who is God manifested in the flesh is the redeemer who has reconciled us to God the father when he died on the cross for our sins.
The trinity is proven in many places in the bible. Examples would be when Jesus prayed to his father up in heaven after he was nailed to the cross, "Please forgive those who they not know what they have done." If the trinity did not exist, then Jesus would not be praying and asking his father to forgive them as if he could just do it himself and would of been praying only to himself.
Also, Jesus said that nobody can come to my father except through me. If there is no trinity, and since Jesus is God, then there would be no need to have a mediator but Jesus who is the son of God who is God is the redeemer and he is the mediator between us and God the father. The truth is the father in heaven is the creator (The bible never did it say that Jesus himself created the heavens and earth and all of us. God the father did.) God the son who is Jesus is God and man who is God manifested in the flesh is the redeemer who has reconciled us to God the father when he died on the cross for our sins.