There Is No God's Service In Killing People

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hubby and I are bona-fide-soldiers, we will always and only, use Jesus Christ's weapons,
as He commands us...
 

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Ok so if not a glorification and you are only talking factually about weapons you have used, and nothing that gives you any satisfaction about them, tell me, how many people have you murdered? Or is it much harder to say that in public?
I have killed or hurt zero people during my military service and civilian life. Just a couple of warriors talking about weaponry. There is no glorification in the weapons, they are merely tools.
 
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Ok so if not a glorification and you are only talking factually about weapons you have used, and nothing that gives you any satisfaction about them, tell me, how many people have you murdered? Or is it much harder to say that in public?
I have murdered no one Jason......and Justifiable KILLING is not MURDER.......David MURDERED URIAH...Samuel KILLED AGAG.......there is a difference.....

Amazing how many people will speak with no knowledge!
 
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Yes I understand that, and I know in America it's normalised to have guns. But in many other civilised countries it is not normal. And neither do we have mass shootings. Ideally there would be less guns and nuclear weapons in the world, but until everyone can agree to that it's not going to happen.

But I don't believe making guns cool, and talking about weapons that kill people, is good. Are they better than the spiritual weapons we have if we live in Christ, or do his weapons really not cut it enough?

I have killed or hurt zero people during my military service and civilian life. Just a couple of warriors talking about weaponry. There is no glorification in the weapons, they are merely tools.
 

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Yes I understand that, and I know in America it's normalised to have guns. But in many other civilised countries it is not normal. And neither do we have mass shootings. Ideally there would be less guns and nuclear weapons in the world, but until everyone can agree to that it's not going to happen.

But I don't believe making guns cool, and talking about weapons that kill people, is good. Are they better than the spiritual weapons we have if we live in Christ, or do his weapons really not cut it enough?
I believe that to be an effective warrior for the Lord you have to put on the full spiritual armor.
 
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I see so what you are saying is you never pulled the trigger unless it was an absolute must. There was no hate in your heart at the time. Never any enjoyment. It was the hardest thing you could ever do every time, but you had to act in a split moment as a marine. And yes I intentionally put murder I wanted to see whether you would justify killing and not answer.

I have murdered no one Jason......and Justifiable KILLING is not MURDER.......David MURDERED URIAH...Samuel KILLED AGAG.......there is a difference.....

Amazing how many people will speak with no knowledge!
 

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dcontroversal

Ok so if not a glorification and you are only talking factually about weapons you have used, and nothing that gives you any satisfaction about them, tell me, how many people have you murdered? Or is it much harder to say that in public?
These are two men who volunteered their lives to keep other people, most complete strangers, safe and free from the tyranny of others.

The Bible also states that we should give honor to those to whom honor is due (Rom. 13:7), and that there is no greater love than to lie down your life for another person (John 15:13.) These men have offered their lives, if need be, as a sacrifice to preserve the lives of others.

This is just my own humble opinion, but I believe people who are willing to sign their life over to a country's government in order to voluntarily protect the other citizens who live there are due quite a bit of honor and respect.

P.S. One thing I do know about those who have killed others, whether from the standpoint of defense or offense, whether intentional or not, are still not beyond the reach of God's great love... and forgiveness.

And, if there are any out there who choose to keep these matters, such as the question you ask, between themselves and God, they certainly have the right to do so. Even if God IS pushing them to confess to someone, they certainly have no obligations to a stranger on the internet.

God bless our brave and much-appreciated military personnel and their long-suffering families.
 
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Yes I understand that, and I know in America it's normalised to have guns. But in many other civilised countries it is not normal. And neither do we have mass shootings. Ideally there would be less guns and nuclear weapons in the world, but until everyone can agree to that it's not going to happen.

But I don't believe making guns cool, and talking about weapons that kill people, is good. Are they better than the spiritual weapons we have if we live in Christ, or do his weapons really not cut it enough?
Yeah.....you just have Muslims stabbing to death and cutting the heads off of your disarmed people and raping women all over Europe....You have no clue what is coming to Europe and England....the genocide because you all are weaponless and defenseless to the oncoming hoard and Muslim invasion....you should pity your own countrymen and those of Europe because your politicians have disarmed the people and made them sitting ducks.....!
 
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I see so what you are saying is you never pulled the trigger unless it was an absolute must. There was no hate in your heart at the time. Never any enjoyment. It was the hardest thing you could ever do every time, but you had to act in a split moment as a marine. And yes I intentionally put murder I wanted to see whether you would justify killing and not answer.
Now your just speaking without knowledge....I have never murdered or killed anyone......so see....you embellish, jump to conclusions and ASSUME I KILLED people in combat.
 
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Do you feel better for having not killed anyone?

Now your just speaking without knowledge....I have never murdered or killed anyone......so see....you embellish, jump to conclusions and ASSUME I KILLED people in combat.
 
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when it comes to taking human-life, we better be on Jesus' Boat, His agenda, His Will...
 
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Do you feel better for having not killed anyone?
The question is moot.......I would defend my child, friends, believers, a Jewish person, family etc.....with lethality if need be to save their lives....this does not mean I would take pleasure in it.....

So...come clean....YOU speak EXACTLY like JASON...are you JASON.......!
 
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Yes I don't think Jesus was a warmonger. Unlike Mohammed who was, and believed in killing. Interesting how people might be against Muslims for their beliefs while embracing the same belief themselves. Both believe in killing the enemy, that it is the will of God/Allah, and yet are no different for thinking the same thing. Old Testament views before Jesus came to teach something different.

Arming everyone is not the answer to terrorism. It may be the answer to invasion, but I don't see that happening anytime soon. America has always been a paranoid country to a lot people, but not particularly if you are American. To me I see the whole right to bear arms, as a little insane. I'm glad I don't live in a country where people walk around with guns, and gun crime is at an insane level. To me that would be a kind of hell. How can you have a loving society, when you just have people walking around with death machines?

The answer to the Muslim crisis in Europe is not guns. The fact is, they have already arrived and what are we going to do about that?

when it comes to taking human-life, we better be on Jesus' Boat, His agenda, His Will...
 
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My name is Mark. What's your name?

The question is moot.......I would defend my child, friends, believers, a Jewish person, family etc.....with lethality if need be to save their lives....this does not mean I would take pleasure in it.....

So...come clean....YOU speak EXACTLY like JASON...are you JASON.......!
 
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Yes I don't think Jesus was a warmonger. Unlike Mohammed who was, and believed in killing. Interesting how people might be against Muslims for their beliefs while embracing the same belief themselves. Both believe in killing the enemy, that it is the will of God/Allah, and yet are no different for thinking the same thing. Old Testament views before Jesus came to teach something different.

Arming everyone is not the answer to terrorism. It may be the answer to invasion, but I don't see that happening anytime soon. America has always been a paranoid country to a lot people, but not particularly if you are American. To me I see the whole right to bear arms, as a little insane. I'm glad I don't live in a country where people walk around with guns, and gun crime is at an insane level. To me that would be a kind of hell. How can you have a loving society, when you just have people walking around with death machines?

The answer to the Muslim crisis in Europe is not guns. The fact is, they have already arrived and what are we going to do about that?
This view reeks a little of ignorance....99% of gun owners are law abiding and criminals will always find ways to commit crimes...

So tell me....when Lee Rigby was murdered in broad daylight by being stabbed to death and then beheaded why did no one stop it? Did they use GUNS or knives? Why did no British citizens step up and stop it?

SEE in AMERICA a law abiding citizen would have stepped up and defended the innocent soldier and capped the MUSLIM MURDERERS........

AND if not for AMERICA and the MILLIONS of men who grew up shooting guns and then coming to YOUR AID....you would be speaking GERMAN....

YOU really should open your eyes to the facts.....serious!

AGAIN I ASK....why did no one help LEE RIGBY..............??
 
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Yes I don't think Jesus was a warmonger. Unlike Mohammed who was, and believed in killing. Interesting how people might be against Muslims for their beliefs while embracing the same belief themselves. Both believe in killing the enemy, that it is the will of God/Allah, and yet are no different for thinking the same thing. Old Testament views before Jesus came to teach something different.

Arming everyone is not the answer to terrorism. It may be the answer to invasion, but I don't see that happening anytime soon. America has always been a paranoid country to a lot people, but not particularly if you are American. To me I see the whole right to bear arms, as a little insane. I'm glad I don't live in a country where people walk around with guns, and gun crime is at an insane level. To me that would be a kind of hell. How can you have a loving society, when you just have people walking around with death machines?

The answer to the Muslim crisis in Europe is not guns. The fact is, they have already arrived and what are we going to do about that?
England has had their share in crazy crap just like any crazy crap that happens around the world. England has 50 million plus to United States 300 million plus. Just because England does allow gun ownership doesn't meant there isn't people running around in England killing people please it isn't some sugar cubes and tea setting going on around in England.


Home affairs
Thursday 20 October 2016
Violent crime in England and Wales has risen by 24%, including a 9% rise in knife crime and a 7% rise in gun crime in the 12 months to June, according to police recorded crime figures.
The number of murders in England and Wales also jumped 20% to 681, a rise of 144 – the highest level for more than five years.
Police figures also show that the number of reported rapes and other sexual offences rose by 14%, reflecting a slowing of the recent increase in reporting rates for these types of crime.
The Office for National Statistics (ONS) said the 24% rise in violent crime was largely due to improvements in recording practices and increased coverage.
 

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I believe that to be an effective warrior for the Lord you have to put on the full spiritual armor.
Amen!!! That armor is in the word of the Lord.

We find in scripture that there were holy wars when God asked men to go to war against evil. Deciding if a war is holy or not was not up to men, if it was a holy war man was directly told so. We also find in scripture that when the goal of war is to protect life we are to go to war. That is the case of a murderer, when if there is a witness to a murder so it is certain a person is a murderer our government is to authorize killing him so can not murder again.

At the time of Noah man was authorized to use meat as food so animals were killed for food. Again, it follows the universal principle of the Lord that we are to preserve life and that sometimes requires killing. Killing for sport would be wrong. War of conquest or for man's reasons would be wrong.
 
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I see mj007 had no response to this post after ripping me and accusing me of killing people when I was in the Marine Corp....WHY NOT?

This view reeks a little of ignorance....99% of gun owners are law abiding and criminals will always find ways to commit crimes...

So tell me....when Lee Rigby was murdered in broad daylight by being stabbed to death and then beheaded why did no one stop it? Did they use GUNS or knives? Why did no British citizens step up and stop it?

SEE in AMERICA a law abiding citizen would have stepped up and defended the innocent soldier and capped the MUSLIM MURDERERS........

AND if not for AMERICA and the MILLIONS of men who grew up shooting guns and then coming to YOUR AID....you would be speaking GERMAN....

YOU really should open your eyes to the facts.....serious!

AGAIN I ASK....why did no one help LEE RIGBY..............??
 

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What's that say about all the accounts of killing in the OT at God's command to the Israelites?

Whoever is out there, thinking about killing any one in the name of God or provoked enough to kill someone, Jesus has this to say.

John 16:1These things have I spoken unto you, that ye should not be offended.[SUP]2 [/SUP]They shall put you out of the synagogues: yea, the time cometh, that whosoever killeth you will think that he doeth God service.[SUP]3[/SUP]And these things will they do unto you, because they have not known the Father, nor me.

What would Jesus have you do?

Matthew 5:[SUP]38 [/SUP]Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth:[SUP]39 [/SUP]But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.........
[SUP]43 [/SUP]Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy.[SUP]44 [/SUP]But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;[SUP]45 [/SUP]That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.[SUP]46 [/SUP]For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same?[SUP]47 [/SUP]And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others? do not even the publicans so?[SUP]48 [/SUP]Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

Jesus has set the example of longsuffering for us to serve as a pattern for those that would come to believe in Him, even the worst of all sinners.

1 Peter 2:
[SUP]19 [/SUP]For this is thankworthy, if a man for conscience toward God endure grief, suffering wrongfully.[SUP]20 [/SUP]For what glory is it, if, when ye be buffeted for your faults, ye shall take it patiently? but if, when ye do well, and suffer for it, ye take it patiently, this is acceptable with God.[SUP]21 [/SUP]For even hereunto were ye called: because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that ye should follow his steps:[SUP]22 [/SUP]Who did no sin, neither was guile found in his mouth:[SUP]23 [/SUP]Who, when he was reviled, reviled not again; when he suffered, he threatened not; but committed himself to him that judgeth righteously:[SUP]24 [/SUP]Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.[SUP]25 [/SUP]For ye were as sheep going astray; but are now returned unto the Shepherd and Bishop of your souls.

1 Timothy 1:
[SUP]14 [/SUP]And the grace of our Lord was exceeding abundant with faith and love which is in Christ Jesus.[SUP]15 [/SUP]This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief.[SUP]16 [/SUP]Howbeit for this cause I obtained mercy, that in me first Jesus Christ might shew forth all longsuffering, for a pattern to them which should hereafter believe on him to life everlasting.

If you have knowledge of someone planning to kill people for whatever the reason, call the authorities now. If you cannot talk the others down by His words in the hopes that Jesus will deliver them from the devil having a grip on their anger, then call for help for that person or those people.

Ephesians 4:
[SUP]25 [/SUP]Wherefore putting away lying, speak every man truth with his neighbour: for we are members one of another.[SUP]26 [/SUP]Be ye angry, and sin not: let not the sun go down upon your wrath:[SUP]27 [/SUP]Neither give place to the devil.[SUP]28 [/SUP]Let him that stole steal no more: but rather let him labour, working with his hands the thing which is good, that he may have to give to him that needeth.[SUP]29 [/SUP]Let no corrupt communication proceed out of your mouth, but that which is good to the use of edifying, that it may minister grace unto the hearers.[SUP]30 [/SUP]And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.[SUP]31 [/SUP]Let all bitterness, and wrath, and anger, and clamour, and evil speaking, be put away from you, with all malice:[SUP]32 [/SUP]And be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God for Christ's sake hath forgiven you.

May all those who are angry enough to kill, pray to Jesus Christ now for help & He will deliver you.

Romans 12:
[SUP]18 [/SUP]If it be possible, as much as lieth in you, live peaceably with all men.[SUP]19 [/SUP]Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord.[SUP]20 [/SUP]Therefore if thine enemy hunger, feed him; if he thirst, give him drink: for in so doing thou shalt heap coals of fire on his head.[SUP]21 [/SUP]Be not overcome of evil, but overcome evil with good.
 

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The answer to the Muslim crisis in Europe is not guns. The fact is, they have already arrived and what are we going to do about that?
Use our freedom and whenever an opportunity has been provided by God to preach the gospel of Jesus Christ to them.