There is no Unpardonable Sin

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Willie-T

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KennethC said:
Go read Acts 5:1-10 about what happened to Ananias and Sapphira for doing blasphemy of the Holy Spirit by directly lying to Him.........
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Trouble is.... they obviously did not believe what the Holy Spirit said (had already blasphemed against Him), or they never would have lied like that. You are just assuming that they were sincere because they were hanging around the commune, basking in the attention they were getting for appearing to be big financial benefactors.. Depending on money will do that to people.
 
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Willie-T said:
Trouble is.... they obviously did not believe what the Holy Spirit said (had already blasphemed against Him), or they never would have lied like that. You are just assuming that they were sincere because they were hanging around the commune, basking in the attention they were getting for appearing to be big financial benefactors.. Depending on money will do that to people.
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It was sincere enough for the Holy Spirit to strike them both dead !!!
 
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Now, THAT comment doesn't even begin to make any sense.
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It makes total sense because both were struct dead for lying directly to the Holy Spirit, and their death did not come from the hands of the Apostles or any other man. Therefore there is only one power that could strike them down for this blasphemy they did, and that was the power of God..........
 
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VioletReigns said:
Seriously, son - I'm trying to understand what you're saying but it sounds like double talk. You're saying they were guilty of committing blasphemy and then you say they're not really guilty... it's just their hearts are hard. :confused: Your post is confusing to me, Andrew.
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I don't think I said anywhere that they were not guilty, what I'm saying is that it was not their blasphemy that rendered them incapable of being saved but rather it demonstrated that there hearts were so hard that they would never repent. Their blasphemy only demonstrated this.
 
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Do you really think its that simple? I suffered for years from mental illness, I was depressed, stressed and hurting. The news upset me, the evil world broke my heart. I had a hard time in school, sometimes I blamed my problems on God. I come from a good, loving Christian family. I have been a Christian pratically all my life. I graduated from school, mental problems grew worse. I some of the medicine I have to take has strange affects. I go nuts. I tried going to church, reading my Bible, praying. It does help.

I became shocked by the violence, bloodthirstiness, cruelty, harshness, God comes across as harsh in the old testament. But I love Psalms, Proverbs and new testament. It hurt to read that, I became afraid and angry with God, I asked 'how could you?"

I got involved with fantasy novels and games, I wanted to write Christian fantasy stories. I like mythical characters like dragons, unicorns, and fairies. I had a Christian dragon character, she was a jewel dragon named Seraphina Starfire.

I discovered the hypocrisy of the southern baptist church I was rasied in. My parents became disillusioned, they discovered the hypocrisy and bigotry of the baptists. We stopped going to baptist churches.

When I got really bad off, I was in a mental hospital, and I had a nightmare where I blashpemed and cursed at God. It was scary. I have had a bunch of weird dreams, a lot of them are scary nightmares. I realized only Jesus Christ can heal me of my problems. It was His love that gave me the strength to survive.


God forgives. He taught me what love is in 1 Cor. 13. My parents love me. I went to a Methodist church today. I will show the same mercy and love the Lord showed me to everyone else.
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God bless you seraphprincess :)
 
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I would agree that there's no sin which cannot be forgiven that a Christian might commit.

Otherwise I John 1:8-9 would be untrue. If you can confess it, you can be forgiven of all unrighteousness.

I have talked with mentally ill people who think they have committed the unpardonable sin. One guy in the chat room kept obsessing over this due to his OCD. The poor guy talked to just about everyone in the chat room about it for several weeks.

He kept going to charismatic type churches for 'deliverance' which was an additional hindrance in his recovery.

So this can be a pretty major issue, especially with the mentally ill.

Andrew1 said:
31 Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.
32 And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.
33 Either make the tree good, and his fruit good; or else make the tree corrupt, and his fruit corrupt: for the tree is known by his fruit. (Matthew 12:31-33)

The key phrase in understanding what's going on here is, "for the tree is known by his fruit". This is where Jesus qualified what he was talking about. You see earlier on in verse 24 the Pharisees, witnessing his mighty power accused Jesus of casting out devils by the power of Beelzebub. It was not that blaspheming the Holy Ghost was unforgivable but rather that in the case of the pharisees, who witnessed the power of God through Jesus Christ, had such hard hearts that in spite of what they had witnessed they refused to believe opting rather to blaspheme the work of the Holy Ghost. Blaspheming the Holy Ghost in and of itself though a wicked and reprehensible act is not unforgivable, the context of the passage was that in the case of the pharisees their blasphemy of the Holy Ghost was the fruit which revealed their hearts by which they were condemned well before they actually blasphemed the work of the Holy Ghost performed through Christ. This means that if this is done in a frivolous manner it is no indication that one is beyond salvation.

I write this to encourage anyone who is worried that they might not be saved and are beyond being saved because of some sin they might have committed. The power of God to save is not limited by any sin and he will never turn away anyone who calls on his name in repentance for the remission of their sins. God bless.
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p_rehbein said:
uh, ok, so Jesus lied to us........great..........sigh

Good thing you are around to correct His misspeaks
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No lie there....To equate the work of Christ to the power of the devil is to deny who Christ is...hence a state of unbelief into the work of Christ which is unforgivable...you must believe to be forgiven! Why is it so hard for people to see this?
 
p_rehbein

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FROM OP:
31 Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.
32 And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.

Blaspheming the Holy Ghost in and of itself though a wicked and reprehensible act is not unforgivable

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uh, ok, so Jesus lied to us........great..........sigh

Good thing you are around to correct His misspeaks


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No lie there....To equate the work of Christ to the power of the devil is to deny who Christ is...hence a state of unbelief into the work of Christ which is unforgivable...you must believe to be forgiven! Why is it so hard for people to see this?


What in the world are you talking about? Who equated Christ to the devil? Everyone knows one must believe in Jesus the Christ to receive salvation. No one questioning that.......Check John 3:16 (which, BTW, Calvinists do not believe). However, Jesus Himself SAID that this blaspheme against the Holy Spirit, the very ESSENCE of God WILL NOT BE FORGIVEN.

Why is it so hard for people to believe Jesus? Why do people believe their own wisdom and not His?

Seriously?
 
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Andrew1 said:
31 Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.
32 And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.
33 Either make the tree good, and his fruit good; or else make the tree corrupt, and his fruit corrupt: for the tree is known by his fruit. (Matthew 12:31-33)

The key phrase in understanding what's going on here is, "for the tree is known by his fruit". This is where Jesus qualified what he was talking about. You see earlier on in verse 24 the Pharisees, witnessing his mighty power accused Jesus of casting out devils by the power of Beelzebub. It was not that blaspheming the Holy Ghost was unforgivable but rather that in the case of the pharisees, who witnessed the power of God through Jesus Christ, had such hard hearts that in spite of what they had witnessed they refused to believe opting rather to blaspheme the work of the Holy Ghost. Blaspheming the Holy Ghost in and of itself though a wicked and reprehensible act is not unforgivable, the context of the passage was that in the case of the pharisees their blasphemy of the Holy Ghost was the fruit which revealed their hearts by which they were condemned well before they actually blasphemed the work of the Holy Ghost performed through Christ. This means that if this is done in a frivolous manner it is no indication that one is beyond salvation.

I write this to encourage anyone who is worried that they might not be saved and are beyond being saved because of some sin they might have committed. The power of God to save is not limited by any sin and he will never turn away anyone who calls on his name in repentance for the remission of their sins. God bless.
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Why don't you read more to get what Jesus is talking about rather than tell Him what he is taking about? Mark 3:28-30
 
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[h=1]Mark 3:28-30 (CJB)[/h] [SUP]28 [/SUP]Yes! I tell you that people will be forgiven all sins and whatever blasphemies they utter; [SUP]29 [/SUP]however, someone who blasphemes against the Ruach HaKodesh never has forgiveness but is guilty of an eternal sin.” [SUP]30 [/SUP]For they had been saying, “He has an unclean spirit in him.”

It says very clearly that there is NO forgiveness for blaspheming the Holy Spirit
 
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There is no forgiveness for talking against the Holy Spirit. claiming his actions are that of the devil and not God's. or even not believing in the holy ghost makes a person against him.
 
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Denadii, many of the threads you keep posting on, are years old threads.. :/
 
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There IS one unpardonable sin. Blasphemy of Jesus, God, and or the HS.
 
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The unparnadble sin is blasphemy of the Holy Ghost, whereas one continues in rebellion against the word and its call to humility and holiness. they resist, resist, and resist, hence they won't come to the light in repentance, and at some point the heart is hardened beyond receiving anything from God..John said we should not pray for such sinners, because prayer wont help them, but rather repentance is the only hope, thus we pray for them to come clean with God in repentance...I'm of the mind that as long as one is still breathing its possible with God for them to be redeemed in a season of godly sorrow..Without holiness none shall see the Lord....God's hand is outstretched 24/7 towards sinners and desires that none should perish,=.. some will test His patience beyond reason, and even though His patience is infinite, HE is not infinitely patient............hope this helps...
 
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Andrew1 said:
31 Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.
32 And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.
33 Either make the tree good, and his fruit good; or else make the tree corrupt, and his fruit corrupt: for the tree is known by his fruit. (Matthew 12:31-33)

The key phrase in understanding what's going on here is, "for the tree is known by his fruit". This is where Jesus qualified what he was talking about. You see earlier on in verse 24 the Pharisees, witnessing his mighty power accused Jesus of casting out devils by the power of Beelzebub. It was not that blaspheming the Holy Ghost was unforgivable but rather that in the case of the pharisees, who witnessed the power of God through Jesus Christ, had such hard hearts that in spite of what they had witnessed they refused to believe opting rather to blaspheme the work of the Holy Ghost. Blaspheming the Holy Ghost in and of itself though a wicked and reprehensible act is not unforgivable, the context of the passage was that in the case of the pharisees their blasphemy of the Holy Ghost was the fruit which revealed their hearts by which they were condemned well before they actually blasphemed the work of the Holy Ghost performed through Christ. This means that if this is done in a frivolous manner it is no indication that one is beyond salvation.

I write this to encourage anyone who is worried that they might not be saved and are beyond being saved because of some sin they might have committed. The power of God to save is not limited by any sin and he will never turn away anyone who calls on his name in repentance for the remission of their sins. God bless.
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I totally disagree with you..

Jesus made it clear that Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit was an unforgivable sin .. "" it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come."" so your teaching is in direct opposition to the clear revelation of Jesus..

Not only is it shocking to me that you can be preaching this but you have also recieved a few likes for this false doctrine.. Amazing...
 
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Jesus made it clear that Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit was an unforgivable sin .. "" it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come."" so your teaching is in direct opposition to the clear revelation of Jesus..
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This is very true...

What's this guy? One of those false grace proponents er somethin?
 
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John 3:19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. [TABLE="width: 100%"]
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Katy-follower

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Dying without Jesus is unforgivable!!

There is only one unforgivable sin, not two. So this must be the one mentioned.
 
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