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Zen

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sorry to burst your bubble but Luke 21 and Matthew 24 are not talking about the same speech of Jesus.
Why did you say this? Did you want to be argumentative, or do you actually believe you are correct?



Luke 21:
[SUP]7 [/SUP]And they asked him, saying, Master, but when shall these things be? and what sign will there be when these things shall come to pass?
...
[SUP]27 [/SUP]And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.


Matthew 24:
[SUP]3 [/SUP]And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?
...[SUP]
30 [/SUP]And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

Both of these are talking about the tribulation and the rapture. They both contain warnings for the inhabitants of Judea to flee to the mountains. They are both talking about the return of Lord Jesus during the persecution of the saints.
 

Bladerunner

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Any physical temple is always built by people. God himself made only one temple - Church.


Its only one view that it is about antichrist. It could also be about Romans and what they did.
Also, it was written before the second temple was destroyed, it is not about third.


Exactly. Thats why they are irrelevant. They can built whatever they want, it is not of our interest.

Only believing Jews are relevant. And they are Christians.
Ah I see,,,, A preterist (Only believing Jews are relevant)...
 

Zen

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#83
We are the temple, stop looking towards buildings. The enemy will seek to sit on the throne of the hearts of men. Make sure it is reserved for only One.
Yes, that's where some confusion comes from because that would invalidate the gospel and Zechariah.

What I mean is; if the anti-Christ is only concerning for Christians, why would Zechariah and the gospel tell us that Jerusalem will be attacked and warn Judeans to flee? Since they aren't Christian and aren't the body of Christ, it shouldn't concern them. And why talk about sacrifices? Those things are regarding a physical place involving ordinances (the place that so-called Jews want to build).

Does that make sense? I don't know how to word it better.
 

Bladerunner

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YEP, and between WWIII (full blown nukier), post War diseases and radiation deaths, GOD's Wrath, Plagues, HUGE hail stones, Mountain Size Meteors, Poisoned Red Water, Ultra Severe Draught, Beheadings, etc., etc.; I agree with Ahwatukee; there will be less than 10% of the World's population left.
There will not be many....THose who survive the Great Tribulation of Daniel's 70th week will be in the millennium. There will be nations, but everyone within will have their own land...(same model of Israel in the Torah)

 

Bladerunner

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Is this the "let's post conspiracy theories" thread? :rolleyes: Wild speculation for sure.

Also, God doesn't use hydrogen bombs.
No! but God does use Israel and other Nations to bring on Judgement. Simply look to the past and you will see.
 

VCO

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Is this the "let's post conspiracy theories" thread? :rolleyes: Wild speculation for sure.

Also, God doesn't use hydrogen bombs.
ZEN, WWIII is in Scripture Prophecy, it is a WAR that it says will KILL OUTRIGHT one third of the World's Population. It started by the Antichrist coming in Peacefully, then the RIDER of the RED HORSE IS WWIII, then sickness, diseases, famine, thirst, HYPER INFLATION, is the rider of the BLack Horse, all a normal result of POST WORLD WARS, FOLLOWED BY the PALE HORSE, symbolizing MILLIONS MORE DYING as a Result of those Post War Tribulations. And that that only gets us to verse 8 in Chapter 6



Revelation 6:1-8 (HCSB)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] Then I saw the Lamb open one of the seven seals, and I heard one of the four living creatures say with a voice like thunder, “Come!”
[SUP]2 [/SUP] I looked, and there was a white horse. The horseman on it had a bow; a crown was given to him, and he went out as a victor to conquer.
[SUP]3 [/SUP] When He opened the second seal, I heard the second living creature say, “Come!”
[SUP]4 [/SUP] Then another horse went out, a fiery red one, and its horseman was empowered to take peace from the earth, so that people would slaughter one another. And a large sword was given to him.
[SUP]5 [/SUP] When He opened the third seal, I heard the third living creature say, “Come!” And I looked, and there was a black horse. The horseman on it had a set of scales in his hand.
[SUP]6 [/SUP] Then I heard something like a voice among the four living creatures say, “A quart of wheat for a denarius, and three quarts of barley for a denarius—but do not harm the olive oil and the wine.”
[SUP]7 [/SUP] When He opened the fourth seal, I heard the voice of the fourth living creature say, “Come!”
[SUP]8 [/SUP] And I looked, and there was a pale green horse. The horseman on it was named Death, and Hades was following after him. Authority was given to them over a fourth of the earth, to kill by the sword, by famine, by plague, and by the wild animals of the earth.



Isaiah 40:31 (HCSB)
[SUP]31 [/SUP] but those who trust in the LORD will renew their strength; they will soar on wings like eagles; they will run and not grow weary; they will walk and not faint.




MECHANIZED INFANTRY


Isaiah 13:17-20 (HCSB)
[SUP]17 [/SUP] Look! I am stirring up the Medes {Iran} against them, who cannot be bought off with silver and who have no desire for gold.
[SUP]18 [/SUP] ⌊Their⌋ bows will cut young men to pieces. They will have no compassion on little ones; they will not look with pity on children.
[SUP]19 [/SUP] And Babylon {Iraq}, the jewel of the kingdoms, the glory of the pride of the Chaldeans, will be like Sodom and Gomorrah when God overthrew them.
[SUP]20 [/SUP] It will never be inhabited or lived in from generation to generation; a nomad will not pitch his tent there, and shepherds will not let ⌊their flocks⌋ rest there.

Isaiah 34:6-10 (HCSB)
[SUP]6 [/SUP] The LORD’s sword is covered with blood. It drips with fat, with the blood of lambs and goats, with the fat of the kidneys of rams. For the LORD has a sacrifice in Bozrah, a great slaughter in the land of Edom.
{Edom is Southern Jordan}
[SUP]7 [/SUP] The wild oxen will be struck down with them, and young bulls with the mighty bulls. Their land will be soaked with blood, and their soil will be saturated with fat.
[SUP]8 [/SUP] For the LORD has a day of vengeance, a time of paying back ⌊Edom⌋ for its hostility against Zion.
[SUP]9 [/SUP] ⌊Edom’s⌋ streams will be turned into pitch, her soil into sulfur; her land will become burning pitch.
[SUP]10 [/SUP] It will never go out—day or night. Its smoke will go up forever. It will be desolate, from generation to generation; no one will pass through it forever and ever. {NO ONE, passes through a land that is still Radio-Active from so many NUKES exploding there.}


Isaiah 17:1-3 (NKJV)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] The burden against Damascus. "Behold, Damascus will cease from being a city,And it will be a ruinous heap.
[SUP]2 [/SUP] The cities of Aroer are forsaken; They will be for flocks Which lie down, and no one will make them afraid.
{The area of Aroer would be the area northeast of Jerusalem in Jordan, where the main city would be Phildelphia (Amman), Jordan.}
[SUP]3 [/SUP] The fortress also will cease from Ephraim, The kingdom from Damascus, And the remnant of Syria; They will be as the glory of the children of Israel," Says the LORD of hosts.


Does ISRAEL remain unscathed in this possibly soon to be Nuclear War. NO, but out of the devastation comes the good news of Jews turning to Christ, and that leads to the Second Coming of our LORD.


Ezekiel 12:19-20 (HCSB)
[SUP]19 [/SUP] Then say to the people of the land: This is what the Lord GOD says about the residents of Jerusalem in the land of Israel: They will eat their bread with anxiety and drink their water in dread, for their land will be stripped of everything in it because of the violence of all who live there.
[SUP]20 [/SUP] The inhabited cities will be destroyed, and the land will become a desolation. Then you will know that I am Yahweh.”

Zechariah 14:11 (HCSB)
[SUP]11 [/SUP] People will live there, and never again will there be a curse of complete destruction. So Jerusalem will dwell in security.
 

Bladerunner

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#87
Why did you say this? Did you want to be argumentative, or do you actually believe you are correct?



Luke 21:
[SUP]7 [/SUP]And they asked him, saying, Master, but when shall these things be? and what sign will there be when these things shall come to pass?
...
[SUP]27 [/SUP]And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.


Matthew 24:
[SUP]3 [/SUP]And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?
...[SUP]
30 [/SUP]And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

Both of these are talking about the tribulation and the rapture. They both contain warnings for the inhabitants of Judea to flee to the mountains. They are both talking about the return of Lord Jesus during the persecution of the saints.

Do you really want to Know? if so then I will explain...But you need to open your closed mind first.
 

Zen

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#88
No! but God does use Israel and other Nations to bring on Judgement. Simply look to the past and you will see.
I know what you're saying, Israel is rumored to have the 'Samson option' to nuke everyone in the world if they are attacked.

But look

Zechariah 14:12
And this shall be the plague wherewith the Lord will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.

Exodus 9:14
For I will at this time send all my plagues upon thine heart, and upon thy servants, and upon thy people; that thou mayest know that there is none like me in all the earth.

I feel like, if God wants to be known by people, that they should give Him glory and recognize Him... why would He use nuclear weapons and control planes and rockets and stuff like that? People would just think that a nuclear weapon did it, wouldn't they?

I'm inclined to believe it's an actual plague and not a fallout.
 

VCO

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There will not be many....THose who survive the Great Tribulation of Daniel's 70th week will be in the millennium. There will be nations, but everyone within will have their own land...(same model of Israel in the Torah)

BUT, they had better get used to emulating the JEWS real quick:

Zechariah 14:16 (NRSV)
[SUP]16 [/SUP] Then all who survive of the nations that have come against Jerusalem shall go up year after year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the festival of booths.
 

Zen

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Do you really want to Know? if so then I will explain...But you need to open your closed mind first.
Well both of those chapters of the gospel start off with the disciples asking about the signs and times. Then Lord Jesus says they will be persecuted, great wars and famines will arise, then the persecution of Judea/Jerusalem, then a warning to flee Judea, and then the signs of the sun (going dark) and then Lord Jesus returning.

Please, any truth you can add is appreciated.
 

Zen

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ZEN, WWIII is in Scripture Prophecy, it is a WAR that it says will KILL OUTRIGHT one third of the World's Population. It started by the Antichrist coming in Peacefully, then the RIDER of the RED HORSE IS WWIII, then sickness, diseases, famine, thirst, HYPER INFLATION, is the rider of the BLack Horse, all a normal result of POST WORLD WARS, FOLLOWED BY the PALE HORSE, symbolizing MILLIONS MORE DYING as a Result of those Post War Tribulations. And that that only gets us to verse 8 in Chapter 6



Revelation 6:1-8 (HCSB)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] Then I saw the Lamb open one of the seven seals, and I heard one of the four living creatures say with a voice like thunder, “Come!”
[SUP]2 [/SUP] I looked, and there was a white horse. The horseman on it had a bow; a crown was given to him, and he went out as a victor to conquer.
[SUP]3 [/SUP] When He opened the second seal, I heard the second living creature say, “Come!”
[SUP]4 [/SUP] Then another horse went out, a fiery red one, and its horseman was empowered to take peace from the earth, so that people would slaughter one another. And a large sword was given to him.
[SUP]5 [/SUP] When He opened the third seal, I heard the third living creature say, “Come!” And I looked, and there was a black horse. The horseman on it had a set of scales in his hand.
[SUP]6 [/SUP] Then I heard something like a voice among the four living creatures say, “A quart of wheat for a denarius, and three quarts of barley for a denarius—but do not harm the olive oil and the wine.”
[SUP]7 [/SUP] When He opened the fourth seal, I heard the voice of the fourth living creature say, “Come!”
[SUP]8 [/SUP] And I looked, and there was a pale green horse. The horseman on it was named Death, and Hades was following after him. Authority was given to them over a fourth of the earth, to kill by the sword, by famine, by plague, and by the wild animals of the earth.



Isaiah 40:31 (HCSB)
[SUP]31 [/SUP] but those who trust in the LORD will renew their strength; they will soar on wings like eagles; they will run and not grow weary; they will walk and not faint.




MECHANIZED INFANTRY


Isaiah 13:17-20 (HCSB)
[SUP]17 [/SUP] Look! I am stirring up the Medes {Iran} against them, who cannot be bought off with silver and who have no desire for gold.
[SUP]18 [/SUP] ⌊Their⌋ bows will cut young men to pieces. They will have no compassion on little ones; they will not look with pity on children.
[SUP]19 [/SUP] And Babylon {Iraq}, the jewel of the kingdoms, the glory of the pride of the Chaldeans, will be like Sodom and Gomorrah when God overthrew them.
[SUP]20 [/SUP] It will never be inhabited or lived in from generation to generation; a nomad will not pitch his tent there, and shepherds will not let ⌊their flocks⌋ rest there.

Isaiah 34:6-10 (HCSB)
[SUP]6 [/SUP] The LORD’s sword is covered with blood. It drips with fat, with the blood of lambs and goats, with the fat of the kidneys of rams. For the LORD has a sacrifice in Bozrah, a great slaughter in the land of Edom.
{Edom is Southern Jordan}
[SUP]7 [/SUP] The wild oxen will be struck down with them, and young bulls with the mighty bulls. Their land will be soaked with blood, and their soil will be saturated with fat.
[SUP]8 [/SUP] For the LORD has a day of vengeance, a time of paying back ⌊Edom⌋ for its hostility against Zion.
[SUP]9 [/SUP] ⌊Edom’s⌋ streams will be turned into pitch, her soil into sulfur; her land will become burning pitch.
[SUP]10 [/SUP] It will never go out—day or night. Its smoke will go up forever. It will be desolate, from generation to generation; no one will pass through it forever and ever. {NO ONE, passes through a land that is still Radio-Active from so many NUKES exploding there.}


Isaiah 17:1-3 (NKJV)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] The burden against Damascus. "Behold, Damascus will cease from being a city,And it will be a ruinous heap.
[SUP]2 [/SUP] The cities of Aroer are forsaken; They will be for flocks Which lie down, and no one will make them afraid.
{The area of Aroer would be the area northeast of Jerusalem in Jordan, where the main city would be Phildelphia (Amman), Jordan.}
[SUP]3 [/SUP] The fortress also will cease from Ephraim, The kingdom from Damascus, And the remnant of Syria; They will be as the glory of the children of Israel," Says the LORD of hosts.


Does ISRAEL remain unscathed in this possibly soon to be Nuclear War. NO, but out of the devastation comes the good news of Jews turning to Christ, and that leads to the Second Coming of our LORD.


Ezekiel 12:19-20 (HCSB)
[SUP]19 [/SUP] Then say to the people of the land: This is what the Lord GOD says about the residents of Jerusalem in the land of Israel: They will eat their bread with anxiety and drink their water in dread, for their land will be stripped of everything in it because of the violence of all who live there.
[SUP]20 [/SUP] The inhabited cities will be destroyed, and the land will become a desolation. Then you will know that I am Yahweh.”

Zechariah 14:11 (HCSB)
[SUP]11 [/SUP] People will live there, and never again will there be a curse of complete destruction. So Jerusalem will dwell in security.
Thanks for the long reply, I'll have to read it another time, it's 4:20 am lol. But I did think it's funny you posted planes and tanks regarding believers, I'll probably enjoy reading the rest.
 

VCO

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Yes, that's where some confusion comes from because that would invalidate the gospel and Zechariah.

What I mean is; if the anti-Christ is only concerning for Christians, why would Zechariah and the gospel tell us that Jerusalem will be attacked and warn Judeans to flee? Since they aren't Christian and aren't the body of Christ, it shouldn't concern them. And why talk about sacrifices? Those things are regarding a physical place involving ordinances (the place that so-called Jews want to build).

Does that make sense? I don't know how to word it better.
BECAUSE HE IS ABOUT TO KILL EVERY LAST ENEMY THAT IS ACTIVELY ATTACKING JERUSALEM WITH A THE ULTIMATE PLAGUE.

Zechariah 14:12 (NRSV)
[SUP]12 [/SUP] This shall be the plague with which the LORD will strike all the peoples that wage war against Jerusalem: their flesh shall rot while they are still on their feet; their eyes shall rot in their sockets, and their tongues shall rot in their mouths.

Revelation 14:20 (HCSB)
[SUP]20 [/SUP] Then the press was trampled outside the city, and blood flowed out of the press up to the horses’ bridles for about 180 miles.

Revelation 19:19-21 (YLT)
[SUP]19 [/SUP] And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, having been gathered together to make war with him who is sitting upon the horse, and with his army;
[SUP]20 [/SUP] and the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet who did the signs before him, in which he led astray those who did receive the mark of the beast, and those who did bow before his image; living they were cast--the two--to the lake of the fire, that is burning with brimstone;
[SUP]21 [/SUP] and the rest were killed with the sword of him who is sitting on the horse, which sword is proceeding out of his mouth, and all the birds were filled out of their flesh.

Revelation 19:11-13 (YLT)
[SUP]11 [/SUP] And I saw the heaven having been opened, and lo, a white horse, and he who is sitting upon it is called Faithful and True, and in righteousness doth he judge and war,
[SUP]12 [/SUP] and his eyes are as a flame of fire, and upon his head are many diadems--having a name written that no one hath known, except himself,
[SUP]13 [/SUP] and he is arrayed with a garment covered with blood, and his name is called, The Word of God.
 

Bladerunner

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Authority was given to them over a fourth of the earth, to kill by the sword, by famine, by plague, and by the wild animals of the earth.
You quoted this verse. Look at the verse "was given to them over a fourth of the earth".

rev 9:15.."And the four angels were loosed, which were prepared for an hour, and a day, and a month, and a year, for to slay the third part of men.

Most people think this means that 1/4 of the earth will die here. Yet, according to the punctuation, the word 'OVER' and comparison to the verse in (REV 9:15, below), it gives the authority OVER a fourth of the earth.

Most think that they kill the whole fourth of the earth.... Rem, this is in the Gap between the Rapture and the start of Daniel's 70th Week. I believe that this is not the case...

Why? (1) the comma gives a break where the next part is separate from this part.
(2) the Authority of 1/4 of the earth would take in several nations. If all were killed, they would not be present at the millennium.
(3) During this time, the 'Harlot that rides the Beast" (false Prophet) is actively recruiting believers. I do not think that the believers at this time would be killed. Rem, this killing is not by earthquakes, pestileneces and famines....

Am not questioning you post VCO but saw this phrase and wondered what is your opinion on this subject?
 

Bladerunner

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I know what you're saying, Israel is rumored to have the 'Samson option' to nuke everyone in the world if they are attacked.

But look

Zechariah 14:12
And this shall be the plague wherewith the Lord will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.

Exodus 9:14
For I will at this time send all my plagues upon thine heart, and upon thy servants, and upon thy people; that thou mayest know that there is none like me in all the earth.

I feel like, if God wants to be known by people, that they should give Him glory and recognize Him... why would He use nuclear weapons and control planes and rockets and stuff like that? People would just think that a nuclear weapon did it, wouldn't they?

I'm inclined to believe it's an actual plague and not a fallout.

I was actually thinking more on the line of nukes from the nations surrounding Israel. Even Saudi Arabia has nukes, not counting Iran, Syria , Pakistan, India, etc. A bunch of them over there.
 

VCO

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#95
Any physical temple is always built by people. God himself made only one temple - Church.


Its only one view that it is about antichrist. It could also be about Romans and what they did.
Also, it was written before the second temple was destroyed, it is not about third.


Exactly. Thats why they are irrelevant. They can built whatever they want, it is not of our interest.

Only believing Jews are relevant. And they are Christians.

IT IS NOT YOUR CALL, IT IS GOD'S.

And you probably pat yourself on your back for EVERYTHING THE HOLY SPIRIT does in YOUR life too.

GOD HAD VERY SPECIFICIC INSTRUCTIONS ON HOW THE TEMPLE was to be BUILT, and YOU want to rob GOD of all the CREDIT HE DESERVES.


2 Chronicles 24:12-14 (HCSB)
[SUP]12 [/SUP] Then the king and Jehoiada gave it to those in charge of the labor on the LORD’s temple, who were hiring stonecutters and carpenters to renovate the LORD’s temple, also blacksmiths and coppersmiths to repair the LORD’s temple.
[SUP]13 [/SUP] The workmen did their work, and through them the repairs progressed. They restored God’s temple to its specifications and reinforced it.
[SUP]14 [/SUP] When they finished, they presented the rest of the money to the king and Jehoiada, who made articles for the LORD’s temple with it—articles for ministry and for making burnt offerings, and ladles and articles of gold and silver. They regularly offered burnt offerings in the LORD’s temple throughout Jehoiada’s life.

1 Kings 8:17-19 (NCV)
[SUP]17 [/SUP] “My father David wanted to build a temple for the LORD, the God of Israel.
[SUP]18 [/SUP] But the LORD said to my father David, ’It was good that you wanted to build a temple for me.
[SUP]19 [/SUP] But you are not the one to build it. Your son, who comes from your own body, is the one who will build my temple.’
 

VCO

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You quoted this verse. Look at the verse "was given to them over a fourth of the earth".

rev 9:15.."And the four angels were loosed, which were prepared for an hour, and a day, and a month, and a year, for to slay the third part of men.

Most people think this means that 1/4 of the earth will die here. Yet, according to the punctuation, the word 'OVER' and comparison to the verse in (REV 9:15, below), it gives the authority OVER a fourth of the earth.

Most think that they kill the whole fourth of the earth.... Rem, this is in the Gap between the Rapture and the start of Daniel's 70th Week. I believe that this is not the case...

Why? (1) the comma gives a break where the next part is separate from this part.
(2) the Authority of 1/4 of the earth would take in several nations. If all were killed, they would not be present at the millennium.
(3) During this time, the 'Harlot that rides the Beast" (false Prophet) is actively recruiting believers. I do not think that the believers at this time would be killed. Rem, this killing is not by earthquakes, pestileneces and famines....

Am not questioning you post VCO but saw this phrase and wondered what is your opinion on this subject?
AND I THINK IT SAY A THIRD OF THE WORLD'S POPULATION WILL DIE IN THE WAR, FOLLOWED BY ANOTHER FOURTH OF THE WORLD'S POPULATION IN THE POST WAR TRIBULATIONS LIKE FAMINE, SICKNESS, RADIO-ACTIVE FALLOUT, SEVERE DROUGHT, BEHEADINGS, ETC.
 

trofimus

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A thread about worshipping Israel.

A very antichristian thread.
 

Ahwatukee

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You quoted this verse. Look at the verse "was given to them over a fourth of the earth".

rev 9:15.."And the four angels were loosed, which were prepared for an hour, and a day, and a month, and a year, for to slay the third part of men.

Most people think this means that 1/4 of the earth will die here. Yet, according to the punctuation, the word 'OVER' and comparison to the verse in (REV 9:15, below), it gives the authority OVER a fourth of the earth.

Most think that they kill the whole fourth of the earth.... Rem, this is in the Gap between the Rapture and the start of Daniel's 70th Week. I believe that this is not the case...

Why? (1) the comma gives a break where the next part is separate from this part.
(2) the Authority of 1/4 of the earth would take in several nations. If all were killed, they would not be present at the millennium.
(3) During this time, the 'Harlot that rides the Beast" (false Prophet) is actively recruiting believers. I do not think that the believers at this time would be killed. Rem, this killing is not by earthquakes, pestileneces and famines....

Am not questioning you post VCO but saw this phrase and wondered what is your opinion on this subject?
Hey BladeRunner,

My two cents is that, personally, I believe that the scripture means what it says. And I don't believe that is a matter of punctuation, but of context. There are two things within the context that would demonstrate that they both do kill a fourth of the earth population.

1). The context tells how that fourth is going to be killed by sword, famine, plague and wild beasts of the earth

2). Hades is said to be following death which would infer people dying

In addition, it would make no sense for the scripture to say that they are given authority over a fourth of the earth and then for that not to take place. Remember, these are plagues of God's wrath, so if it says that a fourth is going to be killed and it states how they are going to be killed, then that is most likely exactly what is going to happen.

I personally believe that at the opening of the 4th seal, that a fourth of the earths population will literally be killed by the means presented.

Also, regarding the so-called gap in between the gathering of the church and the establishing of the seven years, there is just no information that there even is a gap. In fact, the gathering of the church would be the perfect intro for the antichrist.
 

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WHAT?????? Just in case here is a simple definition..."belief in a system of historical progression, as revealed in the Bible, consisting of a series of stages in God's self-revelation and plan of salvation."

Why can you not believe in dispensationalism????Darby Popularized it back in the 1600. but dispensationalism has been around since the 2-3 century.



A form of Premillennialism was around since 2-3 century, not dispensationalism. A dispensationalist is mostly defined by a future separation of the Church and Jew as God's economy.

Show me the proof of any Christian author, from 2 century until Darby of any writing/commentary of a future Jewish Nation as God main economy with another earthly temple in which animal sacrifices are re-established.

The Late Great Planet Chruch:
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Is this the "let's post conspiracy theories" thread? :rolleyes: Wild speculation for sure.

Also, God doesn't use hydrogen bombs.
While I don't agree with VCO, God does use nations of men as a tool to render His wrath and judgment on other nations, the Old Testament are full of examples. God also uses Satan also for His purposes including by letting Satan wreak havoc on the people.