-
Christian Chat is a moderated online Christian community allowing Christians around the world to fellowship with each other in real time chat via webcam, voice, and text, with the Christian Chat app. You can also start or participate in a Bible-based discussion here in the Christian Chat Forums, where members can also share with each other their own videos, pictures, or favorite Christian music.
If you are a Christian and need encouragement and fellowship, we're here for you! If you are not a Christian but interested in knowing more about Jesus our Lord, you're also welcome! Want to know what the Bible says, and how you can apply it to your life? Join us!
To make new Christian friends now around the world, click here to join Christian Chat.
[/B][/U]What about Jesus, when in anger drove the money changers from the temple? 
Since your so honest and blunt,why don't you just start calling people out on Christian Chat?? What was said that offended you? I rarely ever see anyone on here "justifying sin", or distorting the bible to fit their own selfish desires. there's so many different denominations because people interpret the bible differently. I can't help to think you saw my thread and got mad beings that you listed 25 scriptures pertaining to "hell fire". I wish I could say the bible is pretty much black and white, but guess what? A lot of it isnt! It can be very hard to understand but of course a lot of people on here think they have a"special annoiting" and know it all...I believe God made it that way because he wants us to seek him for truth...
...and no my thread wasn't the only one you were replying too...lol
...and no my thread wasn't the only one you were replying too...lol
M
Every Christian has different views and different interpretations of the Bible. It makes for interesting and hopefully friendly debate where we ALL learn from each other. So not everyone here is a Bible scholar - is that a problem? One person is not correct over the other - unless you have God prompting you. It's my opinion that love and respect should be present in all posts.
I think I'd like to know who and what the OP is aimed at.
I think I'd like to know who and what the OP is aimed at.
P
ok here it is again damn is a part of damnation. damnation if you just separate dam from nation you get damn nation. That was my reference. With all that is going on in the world that struck me as an insightful word correlation.I looked at the connection with damnation and the nation. dam and hell are not cuss words only words. If words are used in context they have correct meanings. If words are taken out of context they have different meanings.
scriptures speak of ignorance hell danmnation carnal all the things I mentioned. When you don't have understanding you are ignorant of that thing you don't know. My post is about perception of words and intent. H
how quick people are to flee the context and see only the content. My venting is aimed only at sharing that I see the site having more personal attacks and personal opinions. Not everything is an argument nor meant to be taken as argumentative. Just an observation aimed at the facts that the site seems to be going in a direction away from Christian chat and more into Christian spat. My wording is scriptural my intent has not anger but it is frustrating and I am not the only one who sees this or feels this way. But if you feel offended or that the words are harsh in any manner and you feel upset at the words just know this my intent is to share truth and to do it like Jesus did it. peace to you
scriptures speak of ignorance hell danmnation carnal all the things I mentioned. When you don't have understanding you are ignorant of that thing you don't know. My post is about perception of words and intent. H
how quick people are to flee the context and see only the content. My venting is aimed only at sharing that I see the site having more personal attacks and personal opinions. Not everything is an argument nor meant to be taken as argumentative. Just an observation aimed at the facts that the site seems to be going in a direction away from Christian chat and more into Christian spat. My wording is scriptural my intent has not anger but it is frustrating and I am not the only one who sees this or feels this way. But if you feel offended or that the words are harsh in any manner and you feel upset at the words just know this my intent is to share truth and to do it like Jesus did it. peace to you
P
crossnote out of my respect for you and your body of work. I am a born again believer of Jesus Christ. I follow his teachings from Gen - Rev. I have most all of the belief tenants you have expressed. I don't really know what a Mormon is other than the guys fro Utah riding bicycles. If this was anyone but you I would let you think what you think but I am a servant of the resurrected Christ. Covered by his shed blood walking the rest of this journey the best I can until he returns to complete his word in the earth. I'm not Mormon, or any other faction I am a Christian and very honored to say so.
P
you raise several good points this is just a lesson in perception. nothing more nothing less. on a public forum we should still be able to have our say even if others disagree. Your assessment is so correct and you were clear but someone may be offended at your words no matter what you say. the difference in your response is that it is not personal. I haven't seen your thread what is it about? peace to you
Well I suggest a little bit more study....
BE YE ANGRY and SIN NOT <--Ephesians
MOSES in anger broke the 10 commandments<---wasn't rebuked by God
Paul said that when he comes he would not SPARE after three rebukes<---Wasn't rebuked by God
Anger over the right things is biblical....how we respond with that anger determines the righteousness of and or sin of said anger and response...
BE YE ANGRY and SIN NOT <--Ephesians
MOSES in anger broke the 10 commandments<---wasn't rebuked by God
Paul said that when he comes he would not SPARE after three rebukes<---Wasn't rebuked by God
Anger over the right things is biblical....how we respond with that anger determines the righteousness of and or sin of said anger and response...
Pastac - I see you sort of calming down as discussions continue. It was just that the first thing you posted seemed angry. It might have been the "caps" but it didn't seem to come from the right spirit.
That was why I posted what I did. It just didn't feel right. And even the words "the damn nation taking many to hell" doesn't strike me as accurate. It is the work of Satan, not the nation of which I'm a part of. Many of us in the "nation" are rescuing those on their way to hell.
People will listen to you if they feel you love them. Your first posting on this thread did not seem to come from that place. And maybe you do and I heard you wrong. But we are told that even when we give prophecy or teaching, it must be given with love or it is out of sync with the heart of God.
That was why I posted what I did. It just didn't feel right. And even the words "the damn nation taking many to hell" doesn't strike me as accurate. It is the work of Satan, not the nation of which I'm a part of. Many of us in the "nation" are rescuing those on their way to hell.
People will listen to you if they feel you love them. Your first posting on this thread did not seem to come from that place. And maybe you do and I heard you wrong. But we are told that even when we give prophecy or teaching, it must be given with love or it is out of sync with the heart of God.
Last edited:
P
People will listen to you if they feel you love them. Your first posting on this thread did not seem to come from that place. And maybe you do and I heard you wrong. But we are told that even when we give prophecy or teaching, it must be given with love or it is out of sync with the heart of God.
your words are received as they are intended and written and this post is hopefully teaching others, but my words have not changed at all the intent was and has been the same. my careful consideration for my brothers and sisters. Venting with my family is what I am to do right. I am still as frustrated as before that has not changed. I thought I was very clear.
Maybe my explanation helped and put things in a better light but I still am frustrated at preconceived responses to sincere post. this nation is in bad shape anger is an ok thing for Christians to have. It is how we handle that anger that we should be concerned with. I have you have a right to be angry its ok to be angry. But not ok to sin in that anger.
Peace to you keep up your soul winning efforts
your words are received as they are intended and written and this post is hopefully teaching others, but my words have not changed at all the intent was and has been the same. my careful consideration for my brothers and sisters. Venting with my family is what I am to do right. I am still as frustrated as before that has not changed. I thought I was very clear.
Maybe my explanation helped and put things in a better light but I still am frustrated at preconceived responses to sincere post. this nation is in bad shape anger is an ok thing for Christians to have. It is how we handle that anger that we should be concerned with. I have you have a right to be angry its ok to be angry. But not ok to sin in that anger.
Peace to you keep up your soul winning efforts
P
xray lima this is lameduck over xray lima this is lameduck
need help in the foxhole, I got two grenades left and have to keep them for when it really gets hot in the zone. Magazine running low need ammo I've been hit bleeding but not life threatening. I'll make it. Call in some cover fire you copy that Over
need help in the foxhole, I got two grenades left and have to keep them for when it really gets hot in the zone. Magazine running low need ammo I've been hit bleeding but not life threatening. I'll make it. Call in some cover fire you copy that Over
P
look at this I used some of this information to form my basis and to to make some points with
in Rom. 13:2, means "condemnation," which comes on those who withstand God's ordinance of magistracy. This sentence of condemnation comes not from the magistrate, but from God, whose authority is thus resisted. In 1 Cor. 11:29 (R.V., "judgment") this word means condemnation, in the sense of exposure to severe temporal judgements from God, as the following verse explains. In Rom. 14:23 the word "damned" means "condemned" by one's own conscience, as well as by the Word of God. The apostle shows here that many things which are lawful are not expedient; and that in using our Christian liberty the question should not simply be, Is this course I follow lawful? but also, Can I follow it without doing injury to the spiritual interests of a brother in Christ? He that "doubteth", i.e., is not clear in his conscience as to "meats", will violate his conscience "if he eat," and in eating is condemned; and thus one ought not so to use his liberty as to lead one who is "weak" to bring upon himself this condemnation.
Easton's 1897 Bible Dictionary
Definition of Damnation:
Damnation, in the KJV, usually means simply judgment. In one case, it means destruction. There is no indication that the destruction is eternal, though it may be complete. The word, damn, was derived from the Latin word damnare, or damnum, which was a legal term meaning a damage, loss, or a fine.
Strong's:
keep in mind that concordances and lexicons are not the Bible. They are opinions about the meanings of words and sometimes there is not real consensus as to the meaning of a given word.
2917 krima kree'-mah
from 2919; TDNT-3:942,469; n n
AV-judgment 13, damnation 7, condemnation 5, be condemned 1, go to law + 2192 1, avenge + 2919 1; 28
1) a decree, judgments
2) judgment
2a) condemnation of wrong, the decision (whether severe or mild) which one passes on the faults of others
2b) in a forensic sense
2b1) the sentence of a judge
2b2) the punishment with which one is sentenced
2b3) condemnatory sentence, penal judgment, sentence
3) a matter to be judicially decided, a lawsuit, a case in court
684 apoleia ap-o'-li-a
from a presumed derivative of 622; TDNT-1:396,67; n f
AV-perdition 8, destruction 5, waste 2, damnable 1, to die + 1519 1, perish + 1498 + 1519 1, pernicious 1; 20
1) destroying, utter destruction
1a) of vessels
2) a perishing, ruin, destruction
2a) of money
2b) the destruction which consists of eternal misery in hell
2920 krisis kree'-sis
perhaps a primitive word; TDNT-3:941,469; n f
AV-judgment 41, damnation 3, accusation 2, condemnation 2; 48
1) a separating, sundering, separation
1a) a trial, contest
2) selection
3) judgment
3a) opinion or decision given concerning anything
3a1) esp. concerning justice and injustice, right or wrong
3b) sentence of condemnation, damnatory judgment, condemnation and punishment
4) the college of judges (a tribunal of seven men in the several cities of Palestine; as distinguished from the Sanhedrin, which had its seat at Jerusalem)
5) right, justice
in Rom. 13:2, means "condemnation," which comes on those who withstand God's ordinance of magistracy. This sentence of condemnation comes not from the magistrate, but from God, whose authority is thus resisted. In 1 Cor. 11:29 (R.V., "judgment") this word means condemnation, in the sense of exposure to severe temporal judgements from God, as the following verse explains. In Rom. 14:23 the word "damned" means "condemned" by one's own conscience, as well as by the Word of God. The apostle shows here that many things which are lawful are not expedient; and that in using our Christian liberty the question should not simply be, Is this course I follow lawful? but also, Can I follow it without doing injury to the spiritual interests of a brother in Christ? He that "doubteth", i.e., is not clear in his conscience as to "meats", will violate his conscience "if he eat," and in eating is condemned; and thus one ought not so to use his liberty as to lead one who is "weak" to bring upon himself this condemnation.
Easton's 1897 Bible Dictionary
Definition of Damnation:
Damnation, in the KJV, usually means simply judgment. In one case, it means destruction. There is no indication that the destruction is eternal, though it may be complete. The word, damn, was derived from the Latin word damnare, or damnum, which was a legal term meaning a damage, loss, or a fine.
Strong's:
keep in mind that concordances and lexicons are not the Bible. They are opinions about the meanings of words and sometimes there is not real consensus as to the meaning of a given word.
2917 krima kree'-mah
from 2919; TDNT-3:942,469; n n
AV-judgment 13, damnation 7, condemnation 5, be condemned 1, go to law + 2192 1, avenge + 2919 1; 28
1) a decree, judgments
2) judgment
2a) condemnation of wrong, the decision (whether severe or mild) which one passes on the faults of others
2b) in a forensic sense
2b1) the sentence of a judge
2b2) the punishment with which one is sentenced
2b3) condemnatory sentence, penal judgment, sentence
3) a matter to be judicially decided, a lawsuit, a case in court
684 apoleia ap-o'-li-a
from a presumed derivative of 622; TDNT-1:396,67; n f
AV-perdition 8, destruction 5, waste 2, damnable 1, to die + 1519 1, perish + 1498 + 1519 1, pernicious 1; 20
1) destroying, utter destruction
1a) of vessels
2) a perishing, ruin, destruction
2a) of money
2b) the destruction which consists of eternal misery in hell
2920 krisis kree'-sis
perhaps a primitive word; TDNT-3:941,469; n f
AV-judgment 41, damnation 3, accusation 2, condemnation 2; 48
1) a separating, sundering, separation
1a) a trial, contest
2) selection
3) judgment
3a) opinion or decision given concerning anything
3a1) esp. concerning justice and injustice, right or wrong
3b) sentence of condemnation, damnatory judgment, condemnation and punishment
4) the college of judges (a tribunal of seven men in the several cities of Palestine; as distinguished from the Sanhedrin, which had its seat at Jerusalem)
5) right, justice
I agree that certain parts of this site seem more Christian spat than chat, and that it could be detrimental to a newborn (hey if we veterans can't get together and agree on basic things, what chance does the newborn have?). But I cringe when someone goes off at others for thinking they know it all, when by implication they themselves are presenting as knowing it all. Perhaps God's Word is a little bigger than any one human language can contain - and as so people might have different takes and experiences with scripture that are equally valid. As for the word damn, is it being used as a verb (I damn thee) or a descriptor (you damn idiot)? The Bible uses it as a verb and I think for the most part we are ok in using it that way. But not as a descriptor. One is a call for action, the other a judgment.
Your run on sentences and poor spelling/grammar details tell me you are venting out of anger and not thoughtfulness. Love vents via thoughtfulness. Pure anger in and of itself is a sinful condition. Thoughtful, loving anger is righteous. Be careful which mode you employ in your rebukes.
We're all in the same foxhole, trying to use our limited ammo to right the works of this satan-damned fallen world. Let's use our ammo as a covering fire over each other, instead of as potshots at each other. That way we don't join the ranks of the damned.
10-4 and code 4?
Your run on sentences and poor spelling/grammar details tell me you are venting out of anger and not thoughtfulness. Love vents via thoughtfulness. Pure anger in and of itself is a sinful condition. Thoughtful, loving anger is righteous. Be careful which mode you employ in your rebukes.
We're all in the same foxhole, trying to use our limited ammo to right the works of this satan-damned fallen world. Let's use our ammo as a covering fire over each other, instead of as potshots at each other. That way we don't join the ranks of the damned.
10-4 and code 4?