This Sounds Pagan!

[PS]

As opposed to the righteous?
Who were the righteous?
So, when it says "the sons of god found the daughters of men to be fair"; does that mean the women were bullies?
Because in other references to "the sons of god" in the Old Testament it is referencing angels. - [SIZE=+1] Job 1:[/SIZE]6[SIZE=+1]; 2:[/SIZE]1[SIZE=+1]; 38:[/SIZE]7[SIZE=+1]. Psalms 29:[/SIZE]1[SIZE=+1]; 89:[/SIZE]6[SIZE=+1]. Daniel 3:[/SIZE]25[SIZE=+1]. [/SIZE]

The servants of God in all ages have been called the sons of God ( Job 1:6 ; Romans 8:14 ; 1 John 3:2 ). The character of Seth's descendants proves that they were the sons of God ( Genesis 5:3-29 ; Genesis 6:9 ; Genesis 7:1 ). The character of Cain's descendants proves that they were not the sons of God, for Cain himself was a murderer, a fugitive, and vagabond ( Genesis 4:8-14 ), and his descendants were polygamists and murderers ( Genesis 4:17-23 ).

Sons of God - Condensed Bible Encyclopedia Online


Angels could be human messengers, see Lot in Gen 19:1-3 These two angels are the same two men who left Abraham standing before the Lord Gen 18:22.


Angel
The original word, both in Hebrew and Greek, means messenger, and is so translated, Matthew 11:10 Luke 7:24. It is often applied to an ordinary messenger, Job 1:14 1 Samuel 11:3 Luke 9:52; to prophets, Isaiah 42:19 Haggai 1:13; to priests, Ecclesiastes 5:6 Malachi 2:7; and even to inanimate objects, Psalm 78:49 104:4 2 1 Corinthians 12:7. Under the general sense of messenger, the term, angel is properly applied also to Christ, as the great Angel or Messenger of the covenant, Malachi 3:1, and to the ministers of his gospel, the overseers or angels of the churches, Revelation 2:1,8,12, etc

Angel (209 Occurrences)

 

[1Covenant]

Professor
In the context of the preceding chapters you have a division that is presented in the lineage of Adam. That division of lineage is not unimportant, however it would have to be unimportant and perhaps a little depressing, if the division is mentioned only to then be forgotten because some angelic creatures entered the story and messed it all up.

Instead, what I believe is being pointed out in the preceding chapters is that the faithful are waiting for the promise seed of deliverance while those of Cain's lineage are in rebellion, living lives that are more and more in rejection of the fact that there is a coming judgement through the promise seed. This is demonstrated by Lamech's proclamation in the preceeding chapters as kind of representative norm for the line of Cain.

There is also a distinction of attractiveness in those preceding chapters. The righteous have no great accomplishments or attractiveness mentioned - they are born, they marry, they have children, they live long and then they die. In contrast, the unrighteous are born, they build cities, they develop music, they work with metal to create all manner of objects, and they generally are creating some attractive things in the midst of all their wickedness.

In addition, scripture often calls the people of God or the faithful among fallen man as the sons of God, and the worldly, in their pursuits, as mere men.

The point of chapter 6 is that fallen man also known by faith as "sons of God" now look to daughters of men and value them more than waiting for the promise of God.

As far as these being men and not angels, Christ made no distinction that these were anything but men, but implied that they were men who gave up their careful watch. "Just as it was in the days of Noah, so will it be in the days of the Son of Man. They (collective) were eating and drinking and marrying and being given in marriage, until the day when Noah entered the ark, and the flood came and destroyed them all."

What seems implied is that the faithful grow weary in waiting. This kind of weariness is also nothing new to man's experience and Christ references this kind of weariness when he says, "But if that servant says to himself, 'my master is delayed in coming,’ and begins to beat the male and female servants, and to eat and drink and get drunk, the master of that servant will come on a day when he does not expect him and at an hour he does not know, and will cut him in pieces and put him with the unfaithful."
Peter also references this weariness in a passage between two references to this time of the flood when he relates to man's weariness in waiting and says, "Where is the promise of his coming? For ever since the fathers fell asleep, all things are continuing as they were from the beginning of creation."

I believe that God's anger in this passage isn't aroused against man because they had a great injustice performed against him by the angels. Rather God's patience is tried because of man's own wickedness and lack of persevering faith, even among the faithful sons of God. "My Spirit shall not abide in man forever, for he is flesh: his days shall be 120 years."

Back to the Nephilim: The resulting generation from this inter-marrying were famous men of renown as the Bible proclaims. Think of the description in the preceding chapters. The combination of these two lines of Adam would have resulted, from a worldly perspective, as a better society, led by men who understood goodness but appreciated beauty. Nevertheless it would have been a society more blinded to its need for the promises of God because of its great works. It would in its "problems" not see the depravity it once might have clearly seen during Lamech's time when Lamech issued his confession. This is now a lukewarm creation where before there was a clear distinction.

We too should be cautiously humble, relying on the grace of God because if we had seen this time we might choose it over the simple life of the faithful presented, in much the same way as Lot would later depart Abraham's company in choosing the better land in the land of Sodom and Gomorrah over the wanderings in the desert for the promise land. Perhaps we have already made the choice without much discernment.

Like the above example with Noah's generation and with Lot, this is an old problem for the people of God that we will continue to deal with - will we see with eyes of faith or by sight.

 

[RickShafer]

My answers in red

The servants of God in all ages have been called the sons of God ( Job 1:6 (these were angelic beings - Satan is not a human); Romans 8:14; 1 John 3:2 - (these are different terms altogether, greek for redeemed humans, not hebrew for angalic hosts). The character of Seth's descendants proves that they were the sons of God ( Genesis 5:3-29 ; Genesis 6:9 ; Genesis 7:1 ). The character of Cain's descendants proves that they were not the sons of God, for Cain himself was a murderer, a fugitive, and vagabond ( Genesis 4:8-14 ), and his descendants were polygamists and murderers ( Genesis 4:17-23 ). - (See the manifold sins of some from the tribes of Israel - including some raping a woman to death{Judges 19-22-28} - hardly righteous) (Also the first generation of Seth descendents that came out of egypt, of which only two males out of approx. half a million were able to enter the promised land, the rest perishing in the desert because of their lack of faith - again....hardly righteous)

Sons of God - Condensed Bible Encyclopedia Online


Angels could be human messengers, see Lot in Gen 19:1-3 These two angels are the same two men who left Abraham standing before the Lord Gen 18:22. (These were plainly angels, for mere mortal men would not have the power to blind the sodomites who were breaking down Lot's door)


Angel
The original word, both in Hebrew and Greek, means messenger, and is so translated, Matthew 11:10 Luke 7:24. It is often applied to an ordinary messenger, Job 1:14 1 Samuel 11:3 Luke 9:52; to prophets, Isaiah 42:19 Haggai 1:13; to priests, Ecclesiastes 5:6 Malachi 2:7; and even to inanimate objects, Psalm 78:49 104:4 2 1 Corinthians 12:7. Under the general sense of messenger, the term, angel is properly applied also to Christ, as the great Angel or Messenger of the covenant, Malachi 3:1, and to the ministers of his gospel, the overseers or angels of the churches, Revelation 2:1,8,12, etc

Angel (209 Occurrences)

 

[nathan3]

The hebrew word 'nephal' means - to fall.
Fallen ones, I would say.
Fallen from their first estate (angelic).
Some say they are a sinful creed of humans. But this to me seems trite and incongruous to the reading of the text.
How could giants come from a mere sinning ethnicity? Really stupid.
They were fallen angels who practiced genetic mutations on mankind so the promised child couldn't be born(of the seed of woman).
The writer says "the sons of god found the daughters of men to be fair".....but c'mon, read between the lines.
How is God (and Moses) going to explain genetic manipulation to the ancient world? - Modern science didn't even know about single living cells-(germs), until Louis Pasteur.

Well, its true, that the word there has been used, for the fallen" angels, word 'nephal' means - to fall. But its also for the giants it looks like. either way, that's one thing that got me. Naphal is used as deff for Giants, but, i understand the angels fell also from reading Jude. its just a play on words I guess.. Like Gaints really in the hebrew with the word word 'nephal' to fall. probably just draws on the fact that, the giants came as a result of the "fallen" angles, so naphal is a way to work that also into the gaints def ; saying more then the english could. anyway.. I already left a comment or two with my thoughts on the rest. before

 

[nathan3]

H5303 nephı̂yl nephil From H5307; properly, a feller, that is, a bully or tyrant: - giant.

giants — The term in Hebrew implies not so much the idea of great stature as of reckless ferocity, impious and daring characters, who spread devastation and carnage far and wide.

Sons of men means they were heathen.

well the full thought thankfully does'nt end with the meaning of the word. it comes from all the other scriptures that give a whole picture, that they where great in size, from goliath etc. they scripture repeat that they were giants in size.

for example :



Numbers 13:33

King James Version (KJV)

33 And there we saw the giants, the sons of Anak, which come of the giants: and we were in our own sight as grasshoppers, and so we were in their sight.




2 Samuel 21:19

King James Version (KJV)

19 And there was again a battle in Gob with the Philistines, where Elhanan the son of Jaareoregim, a Bethlehemite, slew the brother of Goliath the Gittite, the staff of whose spear was like a weaver's beam.


there are a bit, more, that you can look for .

 

[sinless]

H5303 nephı̂yl nephil From H5307; properly, a feller, that is, a bully or tyrant: - giant.

giants — The term in Hebrew implies not so much the idea of great stature as of reckless ferocity, impious and daring characters, who spread devastation and carnage far and wide.

Sons of men means they were heathen.

True the Nephilem were not falling angels, but evil men

 

[Professor]

OK. Thanks. I'll do that.

If you do a hebrew study on the phrase "sons of God" you will see that this is wrong

 

[Professor]

Thanks Angela. It's a (bad) habit of mine, I guess, to focus on minutiae. I have a doctorate in philosophy. I look at trees sometimes, instead of the forest, and focus on "oddities" in the text.

You have to remember that the Bible is the story of Jesus. There are parts which describe pagan things. Such as the prophets of Baal trying to light their altar against Yahweh and Elijah the prophet. They danced, cried out and cut themselves, is my memory. That doesn't mean we are to do that, just that it is the record of something that occurred between a pagan and a prophet.

This is a weird verse, and I always say it is one of those things I will ask Jesus when I see him, and worry about living and serving God and others in this life.

Sometimes we are not meant to know or understand everything in the Bible, because we did not live then. The Bible is the revelation of Jesus Christ. Does this story about the nephilim or fallen ones add to that story, is it neutral or does it distract from the story of Jesus?

Since Jesus is about the Redeemer, the living Savior, there is a part of this chapter this is relevant. There was even more wickedness and evil than even God could stand. So he sent a flood to wipe them out, including most of the Nephilim. They were wicked, but in the end, they really do not add to the story of Jesus. We may never understand in this lifetime what that means, because we are not God.

It is true, because I believe the Bible. But it does not help me grow as a Christian, to delve deeply into the fallen ones, or giants, so my thought is to just keep on reading, and ask God to show you the things he wants you to know. The devil would love to sidetrack us with majoring in minors.

Genesis is a wonderful narrative, so keep reading!! And living for Christ.

 

[SHEEPxDOG]

Genesis 6:4The Nephilim were on the earth in those days. That was when the sons of God went to the daughters of men and had children by them. The Nephilim were the heroes of long ago. They were famous men. Nephilim were also on the earth later on.

This sounds pagan. Can anybody help interpret this for me? I think that the Nephilim were giants (don't we find this somewhere else in the bible, perhaps Numbers?) I also read that the Nephilim were legendary warriors, the result of intercourse between gods and men. How are we to interpret "sons of God" here? Might this have been a legendary (that is, fictitious) story included in Genesis? I'm puzzled.

steve quayle has a lot of studies and work on this subject check it out at stevequayle.com

 

[Professor]

COOL!!!!

The Nephilim

In order to properly gain an understanding of the events that take place in Genesis 6 just prior to the flood, We must understand the direct context surrounding the event.

Gen 1 and 2 we have the creation of the world and how it is very good in the eyes of God.
Gen 3 shows how Satan deceived Eve and thus the fall of the human race.
Gen 4 shows us the line of Cain through his descendants. Cain was not a follower of God and this is seen
through his actions. when God tried to warn Cain about his anger, Cain did not listen and killed his
brother Abel. When God punished Cain for this sin, Cain's response was to leave God altogether.

Gen 4:16 And Cain went out from the presence of the LORD, and dwelt in the land of Nod, on the east of Eden.



Gen 5 We have the line of Seth through Adam.

It's important then to note that the bible has made or distinguished between two groups of people on the earth. We have the line of Cain which turned from God and the line of Seth which followed God.

Let us now examine Genesis 6.

Gen 6:1 And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,

Let's ask ourselves, when did men begin to multiply?

We just read in chapter 4 and 5 the multiplication through the lines of Cain and Seth. but here it says that Daughters were born unto them.


Lets note a few things here. If you go and check the lines of Cain and the lines of Seth you will notice that only in the line of Cain are women mentioned. In fact the Line of Cain ends with a daughter named, Naamah.


Now this is not to say that no women or daughters were born in Seth's line, but we are now seeing the reason that women and finally a daughter are mentioned in Cain's line. This directly links the term Man in verse 1 to the line of Cain.


Men simply means mankind, and one might argue that even Seth's line was included here. the issue with that is even Noah as we will see later is excluded from this term as it is used in this chapter. Otherwise Noah would have been destroyed also. so the term mankind is deliberately used here to refer to the line of Cain.

Gen 6:2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.
Notice now that the "sons of God" saw the Daughters of men. Again we know who the daughters of men are and they are not Seth's Daughters but Cain's.

Here is another issue with this passage. The expression here is not just have sex with them, but took them as partners. the issue is also that they took wives plural. Polygamy. this polygamy first showed its face where? In the line of Cain through Lamech. Again a direct link to the line of Cain and a learned evil from the line of Cain.


Could these sons of God be angels? the short answer is no. there are a number of problems with this view. Genesis has set us up with two lines. those who follow God/sons of God and those who do not follow God/men and daughters of men. Gen 6 we can see connects the men and daughters of men directly to the line of Cain. thus it is only logical and contextually sound that the sons of God are referring to the line of Seth who followed God.


This is backed by the numerous bible examples of those who follow God as being children of God, sons of God.

also we have two lines one uses female/Cain the other only male/Seth. two are seen in chapter 6, sons/male and daughters/female.

The other issue is that Jesus himself said that Angels do not marry/take wives.

Mat 22:30 For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.

So here we have Gods people marrying women who do not follow God and also taking up their practice of polygamy. So Gods people are being influenced by evil.

Gen 6:3 And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.

Notice that God says he will not strive with man, yet he did with Noah and Noah was a man. thus Man again is used in a specific way. it refers to the line of Cain who did evil and also any of Seth's line that would do evil because of their unholy union. It is pertinent to note that Gods issue here is with humanity there is no mention of angels here at all. on top of that why did Moses not use the word for angels if that was indeed the intent here. Some may say it's symbolic, then one would have to ask the question why when this clearly is not that important to know. symbols were used by God to teach important lessons that needed to be understood.

Gen 6:4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.


Now we have already been told in verse 2 that they did not simply have sex but actually took them as wives. this is a human relation that is forbidden by God. (Deut 7:3,4; Joshua 23:12,13; Ezra 9:2; Neh 13:25; 2 Cor 6:14,15).

Giants what does this mean? Many interoperate this to mean large in stature. while this can be one of the meanings applied it is less forceful in this case do to the fact that everyone was a giant in size at this time. this word has another meaning that fits the passage more fully, it means to be violent in nature. bullies etc. thus it is here a characteristic of their characters not there physical stature. (Patriarchs and Prophets show this same thing.)

This fits with verse 11 which confirms this interpretation.


Gen 6:11 The earth also was corrupt before God, and the earth was filled with violence.

Gen 6:12 And God looked upon the earth, and, behold, it was corrupt; for all flesh had corrupted his way upon the earth.

notice again the issue is with flesh/humans not angels. there is no hint at all that these men are anything other than men.

Gen 6:5 And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.

notice again that the issue is that their thoughts are evil all the time. thus again it is a characteristic of the people that causes the evil which God wishes to destroy.

Gen 6:6 And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.
Gen 6:7 And the LORD said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them.

Notice again that the Lord is upset that he made man on the earth. these are people that God has created. they are not some freak almost evolutionary being. They were knit in the womb by God. however the word again is mankind used here, yet even though Noah was a human he followed God and thus was not included in this description of destruction to come.

Gen 6:12 And God looked upon the earth, and, behold, it was corrupt; for all flesh had corrupted his way upon the earth.
Gen 6:13 And God said unto Noah, The end of all flesh is come before me; for the earth is filled with violence through them; and, behold, I will destroy them with the earth.



God is going to destroy all flesh/humans who are evil. the flood was to destroy the people who had done these things. or as we discovered in the first few verses. the Flood was to destroy Cain's line and all those who joined with it and became evil because of this union.

In fact lets add one more bit of information to clarify this point.

We have two lines, one from Adam through Seth and another from Adam through Cain.

Did you know that from this point Cain's line disappears? After the flood Cain's line is gone but Seth's continues all the way down to Jesus.

Luk 3:23 And Jesus himself began to be about thirty years of age, being (as was supposed) the son of Joseph, which was the son of Heli,
Luk 3:24 Which was the son of Matthat, which was the son of Levi, which was the son of Melchi, which was the son of Janna, which was the son of Joseph,
Luk 3:25 Which was the son of Mattathias, which was the son of Amos, which was the son of Naum, which was the son of Esli, which was the son of Nagge,
Luk 3:26 Which was the son of Maath, which was the son of Mattathias, which was the son of Semei, which was the son of Joseph, which was the son of Juda,
Luk 3:27 Which was the son of Joanna, which was the son of Rhesa, which was the son of Zorobabel, which was the son of Salathiel, which was the son of Neri,
Luk 3:28 Which was the son of Melchi, which was the son of Addi, which was the son of Cosam, which was the son of Elmodam, which was the son of Er,
Luk 3:29 Which was the son of Jose, which was the son of Eliezer, which was the son of Jorim, which was the son of Matthat, which was the son of Levi,
Luk 3:30 Which was the son of Simeon, which was the son of Juda, which was the son of Joseph, which was the son of Jonan, which was the son of Eliakim,
Luk 3:31 Which was the son of Melea, which was the son of Menan, which was the son of Mattatha, which was the son of Nathan, which was the son of David,
Luk 3:32 Which was the son of Jesse, which was the son of Obed, which was the son of Booz, which was the son of Salmon, which was the son of Naasson,
Luk 3:33 Which was the son of Aminadab, which was the son of Aram, which was the son of Esrom, which was the son of Phares, which was the son of Juda,
Luk 3:34 Which was the son of Jacob, which was the son of Isaac, which was the son of Abraham, which was the son of Thara, which was the son of Nachor,
Luk 3:35 Which was the son of Saruch, which was the son of Ragau, which was the son of Phalec, which was the son of Heber, which was the son of Sala,
Luk 3:36 Which was the son of Cainan, which was the son of Arphaxad, which was the son of Sem, which was the son of Noe, which was the son of Lamech,
Luk 3:37 Which was the son of Mathusala, which was the son of Enoch, which was the son of Jared, which was the son of Maleleel, which was the son of Cainan,
Luk 3:38 Which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God.

There is no mention of Cain's line after the flood, it is cut off. yet Seth's line continued. but another important piece of information is that here Adam is called the son of God. Thus it is accurate that the line of Adam through Seth refer to the sons of God, those who followed God.

The Flood did exactly what God intended to do, to wipe the line of Cain out altogether. and all who perverted their ways with the Canaanites. blessings.

 

[SHEEPxDOG]

True the Nephilem were not falling angels, but evil men

the nephilem are the offspring of fallen angels and women procreating, they are not redeemable just like satan and all the other fallen angels, this is why mankind is hated so much, because out of all the creation in the universe only us, mankind, are redeemable.

 

[Professor]

Great! Thanks. So much food for thought in all of these posts!

Professor
In the context of the preceding chapters you have a division that is presented in the lineage of Adam. That division of lineage is not unimportant, however it would have to be unimportant and perhaps a little depressing, if the division is mentioned only to then be forgotten because some angelic creatures entered the story and messed it all up.

Instead, what I believe is being pointed out in the preceding chapters is that the faithful are waiting for the promise seed of deliverance while those of Cain's lineage are in rebellion, living lives that are more and more in rejection of the fact that there is a coming judgement through the promise seed. This is demonstrated by Lamech's proclamation in the preceeding chapters as kind of representative norm for the line of Cain.

There is also a distinction of attractiveness in those preceding chapters. The righteous have no great accomplishments or attractiveness mentioned - they are born, they marry, they have children, they live long and then they die. In contrast, the unrighteous are born, they build cities, they develop music, they work with metal to create all manner of objects, and they generally are creating some attractive things in the midst of all their wickedness.

In addition, scripture often calls the people of God or the faithful among fallen man as the sons of God, and the worldly, in their pursuits, as mere men.

The point of chapter 6 is that fallen man also known by faith as "sons of God" now look to daughters of men and value them more than waiting for the promise of God.

As far as these being men and not angels, Christ made no distinction that these were anything but men, but implied that they were men who gave up their careful watch. "Just as it was in the days of Noah, so will it be in the days of the Son of Man. They (collective) were eating and drinking and marrying and being given in marriage, until the day when Noah entered the ark, and the flood came and destroyed them all."

What seems implied is that the faithful grow weary in waiting. This kind of weariness is also nothing new to man's experience and Christ references this kind of weariness when he says, "But if that servant says to himself, 'my master is delayed in coming,’ and begins to beat the male and female servants, and to eat and drink and get drunk, the master of that servant will come on a day when he does not expect him and at an hour he does not know, and will cut him in pieces and put him with the unfaithful."
Peter also references this weariness in a passage between two references to this time of the flood when he relates to man's weariness in waiting and says, "Where is the promise of his coming? For ever since the fathers fell asleep, all things are continuing as they were from the beginning of creation."

I believe that God's anger in this passage isn't aroused against man because they had a great injustice performed against him by the angels. Rather God's patience is tried because of man's own wickedness and lack of persevering faith, even among the faithful sons of God. "My Spirit shall not abide in man forever, for he is flesh: his days shall be 120 years."

Back to the Nephilim: The resulting generation from this inter-marrying were famous men of renown as the Bible proclaims. Think of the description in the preceding chapters. The combination of these two lines of Adam would have resulted, from a worldly perspective, as a better society, led by men who understood goodness but appreciated beauty. Nevertheless it would have been a society more blinded to its need for the promises of God because of its great works. It would in its "problems" not see the depravity it once might have clearly seen during Lamech's time when Lamech issued his confession. This is now a lukewarm creation where before there was a clear distinction.

We too should be cautiously humble, relying on the grace of God because if we had seen this time we might choose it over the simple life of the faithful presented, in much the same way as Lot would later depart Abraham's company in choosing the better land in the land of Sodom and Gomorrah over the wanderings in the desert for the promise land. Perhaps we have already made the choice without much discernment.

Like the above example with Noah's generation and with Lot, this is an old problem for the people of God that we will continue to deal with - will we see with eyes of faith or by sight.

 

[Professor]

Great. Thanks

steve quayle has a lot of studies and work on this subject check it out at stevequayle.com

 

[Agricola]

First of all I wouldnt pay any attention to the King James only crowd. Nathan3 earlier post does a good job to show the original text as to how we get the word Nephilim.

I could go on for some time about this, but I wont, in short I was say that its an interesting thing to think about and even study for a bit, one interesting conclusion is that these are super beings who are human hybrids. Once you see how big, strong, fast etc they are, then the so called myths and legends of old could well be true after all.

CHrist said endtimes be like days of NOah, most people say that everyone will hate God and so on and we are pratically there now, but what else was specail about days of Noah? The Nephilim.

Another avenue you may go down is the UFO line. Could be that they are present in society in one form or another just before return of Christ, one theory is that they are going to come in UFOs, alien abductions take on whole new meaning as well.

However I will leave it at that for now.

 

[RachelBibleStudent]

the mention of 'sons of God' and 'nephilim' in the bible is not pagan...

however many -interpretations- of these scriptures -have- been influenced by paganism...namely the 'angels interbreeding with humans and producing giants' interpretation...which can be traced back to the influence of ancient pagan demigod myths...

 

[sinless]

the nephilem are the offspring of fallen angels and women procreating, they are not redeemable just like satan and all the other fallen angels, this is why mankind is hated so much, because out of all the creation in the universe only us, mankind, are redeemable.

This statement is nothing more than a Jewish fable

 

[Pen014]

duoy rheims
from bible study tools.com

(13-34) There we saw certain monsters of the sons of Enac, of the giant kind: in comparison of whom, we seemed like locusts

 

[nathan3]

the mention of 'sons of God' and 'nephilim' in the bible is not pagan...

however many -interpretations- of these scriptures -have- been influenced by paganism...namely the 'angels interbreeding with humans and producing giants' interpretation...which can be traced back to the influence of ancient pagan demigod myths...

Gen 6 reads very plainly . there is nothing pagan about itnerbreeding with angles and humans if it is Written, and it is written in Gen 6 .. If that is history recorded in the Bible we should accept that. Jude 6 : backs me up on this.

 

[wdeaton65]

Gen 6 reads very plainly . there is nothing pagan about itnerbreeding with angles and humans if it is Written, and it is written in Gen 6 .. If that is history recorded in the Bible we should accept that. Jude 6 : backs me up on this.

Dont forget 2pt written to support Judas. Yeshuas little brother and little brother of Jacob or James I am pretty sure they no the story all the way back to Enoch. It is refreshing to see someone take GOD for what HE says Blessings.

 

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The servants of God in all ages have been called the sons of God ( Job 1:6 (these were angelic beings - Satan is not a human); Romans 8:14; 1 John 3:2 - (these are different terms altogether, greek for redeemed humans, not hebrew for angalic hosts). The character of Seth's descendants proves that they were the sons of God ( Genesis 5:3-29 ; Genesis 6:9 ; Genesis 7:1 ). The character of Cain's descendants proves that they were not the sons of God, for Cain himself was a murderer, a fugitive, and vagabond ( Genesis 4:8-14 ), and his descendants were polygamists and murderers ( Genesis 4:17-23 ). - (See the manifold sins of some from the tribes of Israel - including some raping a woman to death{Judges 19-22-28} - hardly righteous) (Also the first generation of Seth descendents that came out of egypt, of which only two males out of approx. half a million were able to enter the promised land, the rest perishing in the desert because of their lack of faith - again....hardly righteous)

Sons of God - Condensed Bible Encyclopedia Online


Angels could be human messengers, see Lot in Gen 19:1-3 These two angels are the same two men who left Abraham standing before the Lord Gen 18:22. (These were plainly angels, for mere mortal men would not have the power to blind the sodomites who were breaking down Lot's door)


Angel
The original word, both in Hebrew and Greek, means messenger, and is so translated, Matthew 11:10 Luke 7:24. It is often applied to an ordinary messenger, Job 1:14 1 Samuel 11:3 Luke 9:52; to prophets, Isaiah 42:19 Haggai 1:13; to priests, Ecclesiastes 5:6 Malachi 2:7; and even to inanimate objects, Psalm 78:49 104:4 2 1 Corinthians 12:7. Under the general sense of messenger, the term, angel is properly applied also to Christ, as the great Angel or Messenger of the covenant, Malachi 3:1, and to the ministers of his gospel, the overseers or angels of the churches, Revelation 2:1,8,12, etc

Angel (209 Occurrences)

There is always the danger of taking the literal and giving it supernatural qualities. The verse below (Job 1:6) is about ordinary human beings. Magistrates were gods, see Psalm 82. An example would be the British Parliament where ordinary people are called Lord.

Job 1:6 Now there was a day when the sons of God (H430 Elohim) came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan (H7854 opponent) came also among them. (These are human beings and Satan was an adversary (enemy) he was asked why he had come.


Psalm 82
A Rebuke of Unjust Judgments (of men)

1 God (god) standeth in the congregation of the mighty;
he judgeth among the gods. (human beings)

2 How long will ye judge unjustly,
and accept the persons of the wicked?
Selah.

3 Defend the poor and fatherless:
do justice to the afflicted and needy.

4 Deliver the poor and needy:
rid them out of the hand of the wicked.

5 They know not, neither will they understand;
they walk on in darkness:
all the foundations of the earth are out of course.

6 I have said, Ye are gods; (John 10.34)
and all of you are children of the Most High.

7 But ye shall die like men, (they are men)
and fall like one of the princes.

8 Arise, O God, judge the earth: (the Almighty)
for thou shalt inherit all nations.