Those Who Believe, Know

[JaumeJ]

Reading the many topics in the discussion of the Word of Yahweh, it occurs to me that many are posting in genuine search of all that is good in faith.

Those who believe know our Father does what pleases Him, and because of our faith we know that what pleases Him is always good.

Those who believe, know, and this stems from faith.

Those who lack faith investigate. With the latter, it would not seem bad were it not for the seeds of doubt being sown.

Bible discussion in a room dedicated to those who believe should be in faith without those who doubt throwing out human theories and investigative allegations which lend to doubt and hold not up to the truth that is the Word.

Read the Word, believe the Word, and Worship Yahweh. Yeshua is the Word.

 

[mystdancer50]

I like the ones that throw out the lies of the devil for us to tear apart because it allows us to delve deeply into His word and find truly solid evidence to give back. The same occurs when one genuinely needs guidance. Something God showed me is that I have to be prepared to offer His Word in any situation. I consider these forums a great place to prepare myself for the battles that lie ahead, don't you? It's a great site.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

Those who lack faith investigate.

That's a pretty foolish thing to say. Care to rephrase?

 

[Hizikyah]

1 Thessalonians 5:21, "Prove all things; hold fast that which is righteous."

I think if one loves Yahweh: "And you must love Yahweh your Father with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might."

They would definitely put the time in to:

2 Timothy 2:15, "Study to show yourself approved to Yahweh: a workman who does not need to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth"

I dont even think I begin to understand the mind of Yahweh, but He left us info about Him, that must be continously studied for a reason. You know, He didnt make the "know Yahweh drink mix" where you drink it and you know all about Him.

We have all been through rough and even doubtful times through our path and our studies, but like the parables Yahshua spoke, some fall by the wayside and some take root and continue.

I hope that Yahweh guides as many as He will to hold fast to Him, HalleluYAHWEH!

 

[Starcrash]

Those who believe, know, and this stems from faith.

But the problem with this is that a person can literally have faith in anything, and it has nothing to do with its truthfulness. There are people who have faith in other gods, and many of them claim to "know" that they are right. From the inside, "knowing" may reflect conviction, but from the outside it appears pigheaded; both of these are just sementical reflections of an unwillingness to change one's mind when faced with evidence that one is wrong.

 

[Blain]

That's a pretty foolish thing to say. Care to rephrase?

Is it really so foolish? It's a fact, I have seen people ask all the time how to increase their faith and where in the bible should they read and such. When I was weak in faith I also investigated on how to increase it. How is it foolish?

 

[Hizikyah]

I *think* he meaning was along the lines of this general idea?

Hebrews 4:1-2, "Therefore, since a promise of mentering His rest remains, let us fear so that none of you should come short of it. For this message was preached to us, as well as to them; but the word which they heard did not benefit them, because they did not share in the faith of those who obeyed"

 

[JaumeJ]

The phrase about investigation is in reference to people who investigate whether the Word, God, is telling the truth about a given point or not. I thought this was understood by inference. I am sorry to have to explain it further.

We are to prove all things, but this by no means is saying we are to put God under a magnifying glass to see how He ticks, this is not for the creature with faith, only for those who lack it.

 

[JaumeJ]

This is taught with knowledge quite well in the Word. Paul said to the people who worshipped idols that they worship what they do not know, while we worship what we know. Anyone worshipping idols has never had the seal of the Holy Spirit, yet tradition will enslave an individual to worhipping what they do not know.

But the problem with this is that a person can literally have faith in anything, and it has nothing to do with its truthfulness. There are people who have faith in other gods, and many of them claim to "know" that they are right. From the inside, "knowing" may reflect conviction, but from the outside it appears pigheaded; both of these are just sementical reflections of an unwillingness to change one's mind when faced with evidence that one is wrong.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

Is it really so foolish? It's a fact, I have seen people ask all the time how to increase their faith and where in the bible should they read and such. When I was weak in faith I also investigated on how to increase it. How is it foolish?

Maybe I misread what he said. I thought he said that those who investigate don't have much faith, instead of what you seem to be saying, that those who have little faith investigate to increase their faith. If I read wrong, I apologize.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

The phrase about investigation is in reference to people who investigate whether the Word, God, is telling the truth about a given point or not. I thought this was understood by inference. I am sorry to have to explain it further.

We are to prove all things, but this by no means is saying we are to put God under a magnifying glass to see how He ticks, this is not for the creature with faith, only for those who lack it.

My apologies. I read what you wrote wrong.

 

[RedTent]

There seems to be a huge division between those who know Christ, but not the Father, those who know the Father but not Christ, and those who know both the Father and Christ. All of these seem to know the Holy Ghost, or they couldn't understand the spiritual that God represents.

 

[JaumeJ]

The grain of what I am sharing is simple.

Any with the faith of Abraham read the Word, and what they understand they know to be truth.

Those who do not have the faith of Abraham read the Word and attempt to investigate our Father's veracity, as did Satan, thinking himself above the Most High God, our Father.

Elohanu is the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. We who believe know this, and there is not need to question our Maker in any regard. (No, this does not intend to say we cannot ask Him about things we do not understand.)

Again, from the Word, we worship What we know. Those who do not have faith simply cannot.

 

[JaumeJ]

I tried to give you rep points (not that they mean a lot) just because you bothered to understand what I was sharing. Thank you for your humilty and kind support in Yeshua, Jesus. You are a blessing.

My apologies. I read what you wrote wrong.

 

[crossnote]

There seems to be a huge division between those who know Christ, but not the Father, those who know the Father but not Christ, and those who know both the Father and Christ. All of these seem to know the Holy Ghost, or they couldn't understand the spiritual that God represents.

1.''There seems to be a huge division between those who know Christ, but not the Father,'' ...impossible

2. ''those who know the Father but not Christ,'' ...again impossible.

3. ''and those who know both the Father and Christ''. ...only possibility.

4. ''All of these seem to know the Holy Ghost, or they couldn't understand the spiritual that God represents''....unintelligible in light of the above. Anyone with the Holy Ghost would know that...

If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.
(Joh 14:7)
Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?
(Joh 14:9)
No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.
(Joh 1:18)
Then said they unto him, Where is thy Father? Jesus answered, Ye neither know me, nor my Father: if ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also.
(Joh 8:19)

etc etc etc

 

[JaumeJ]

Although I am in agreement with your reply in its meaning, I believe the post is referring to those who seem to have more kinship or knowledge of the Father as opposed to with the Son, or with the Son as opposed to with the Father, and so on. It does not seem to be an argument to prove whether or not the declaration is true, more tongue in cheek. Perhaps I have not understood either?

1.''There seems to be a huge division between those who know Christ, but not the Father,'' ...impossible

2. ''those who know the Father but not Christ,'' ...again impossible.

3. ''and those who know both the Father and Christ''. ...only possibility.

4. ''All of these seem to know the Holy Ghost, or they couldn't understand the spiritual that God represents''....unintelligible in light of the above. Anyone with the Holy Ghost would know that...

If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.
(Joh 14:7)
Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?
(Joh 14:9)
No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.
(Joh 1:18)
Then said they unto him, Where is thy Father? Jesus answered, Ye neither know me, nor my Father: if ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also.
(Joh 8:19)

etc etc etc

 

[p_rehbein]

[h=1]Job
38[/h]
1 .) Then the LORD answered Job out of the whirlwind, and said,
2 .) Who is this that darkeneth counsel by words without knowledge?
3 .) Gird up now thy loins like a man; for I will demand of thee, and answer thou me.

 

[JaumeJ]

This quote from Job has all the appearance of wisdom, yet it does not relate to what is posted. No one knows what is going on in your mind and soul. Are you addressing anyone in particular?

Apparently someone is veiling truth without knowledge. Now, who do you suppose this could be? I have read Job dozens of times and yet, I cannot relate this quote to what the OP is saying.

Perhaps you would like to be less cryptic and more to the point.

Job
38


1 .) Then the LORD answered Job out of the whirlwind, and said,
2 .) Who is this that darkeneth counsel by words without knowledge?
3 .) Gird up now thy loins like a man; for I will demand of thee, and answer thou me.

 

[p_rehbein]

.......read reply #4...........that might help........or, you could read your comment #8..........and then consider what Job was doing for the first 37 Chapters.......and what God answered........or, you could go all the way back to the OP.........

QUOTE: Reading the many topics in the discussion of the Word of Yahweh, it occurs to me that many are posting in genuine search of all that is good in faith.

Those who believe know our Father does what pleases Him, and because of our faith we know that what pleases Him is always good.

Those who believe, know, and this stems from faith.

Those who lack faith investigate. With the latter, it would not seem bad were it not for the seeds of doubt being sown.

END QUOTE...........

........was not trying to be "cryptic.".............or, you can offer demeaning remarks towards others when you don't understand their comments..........or Scripture......

anyway, wasn't trying to be cryptic........the connection between the Scripture I offered and the message I understood from the OP was clear to me.............but then, as someone said, we now see through a glass darkly........

 

[JaumeJ]

It is always a big help and guiding light to include what is being responded to in a post. If not, the OP is the usual reference point, thus it is not clear to whom or what any particular reply is directed. Thanks. God bless you.

.......read reply #4...........that might help........or, you could read your comment #8..........and then consider what Job was doing for the first 37 Chapters.......and what God answered........or, you could go all the way back to the OP.........

QUOTE: Reading the many topics in the discussion of the Word of Yahweh, it occurs to me that many are posting in genuine search of all that is good in faith.

Those who believe know our Father does what pleases Him, and because of our faith we know that what pleases Him is always good.

Those who believe, know, and this stems from faith.

Those who lack faith investigate. With the latter, it would not seem bad were it not for the seeds of doubt being sown.

END QUOTE...........

........was not trying to be "cryptic.".............or, you can offer demeaning remarks towards others when you don't understand their comments..........or Scripture......

anyway, wasn't trying to be cryptic........the connection between the Scripture I offered and the message I understood from the OP was clear to me.............but then, as someone said, we now see through a glass darkly........