Those who Steal and Those who Lie

[dcontroversal]

So if someone told you that if believeth him you would never die, would you believe him?

So if it is written that the LORD God told the man "of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in twelve hours that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die." What a day isn't twelve hours? so how can a day be a 1000 years if one doesn't believe what is written in the Bible?

Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding. Proverbs 3:5
It is better to trust in the LORD than to put confidence in man. Psalsm 118:8

Would you care to reconcile "I shall not die, but live" yet "the living know that they shall die but the dead know not anything"?

And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die: For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil. Gen 3:4-5
And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: Gen 3:22

God is the LORD, which hath shewed us light: Ps 118:27

Sure....Jesus said all who believe will be passed from death unto eternal life and never die.....

 

[Nehemiah6]

(Leviticus 19:11) ‘You shall not steal, nor deal falsely, nor lie to one another.


In your opinion, Which of these two are more dangerous?

A.Those who Steal

B.Those who Lie

They are equally dangerous. But why do you ask? All evil deeds and evil words are dangerous.

 

[Nehemiah6]

Is stealing lying about ownership?

No it is not. It is simply "changing" ownership illegally.

 

[posthuman]

No it is not. It is simply "changing" ownership illegally.

that's not really "ownership"

doesn't the thief, if he is caught, have to return whatever was stolen? that doesn't make the person who the thing is returned to equally guilty of theft, but it does make the thief's presumption of 'ownership' false, i.e. a lie.

 

[Nehemiah6]

that's not really "ownership"

doesn't the thief, if he is caught, have to return whatever was stolen? that doesn't make the person who the thing is returned to equally guilty of theft, but it does make the thief's presumption of 'ownership' false, i.e. a lie.

"if he is caught" is the clincher. Thieves are rarely caught, neither are pickpockets. So it does become ILLEGAL change of ownership.

 

[Prov910]

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wife (looking in mirror): Do I look fatter? I've gained about 15 pounds since we got married eight years ago.
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me: No, honey. Not at all.
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But it was a LIE! I am a LYING LIAR!!

 

[Studyman]

The Book of Job states:

14 The murderer rises with the light; He kills the poor and needy;
And in the night he's like a thief (Job 24:14).

39 If I have eaten its fruit without money, or caused its owners to lose their lives;
40 Then let thistles grow instead of wheat, and weeds instead of barley (Job 31:39-40).

These scriptures clearly support the concept that Job and his companions considered murder
to be wrong. Job 24:14 is similar to a teaching by Jesus tieing in murder and thievery together:

10 The thief does not come except to steal, and to kill, and to destroy. (John 10:10).
Job knew of this connection thousands of years before Jesus stated it as recorded by John.
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15 "You shall not steal. (Exodus 20:15)

The Book of Job states:

5 Is not your wickedness great, and your iniquity without end? 6 For you have taken pledges
from your brother for no reason, and stripped the naked of their clothing (Job 22:5-6).

16 "You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor. (Exodus 20:16)


The Book of Job states:

28 I would never lie to your face (Job 6:28).

15:35 They conceive trouble and bring forth futility; Their womb prepares deceit.
24:25 Now if it is not so, who will prove me a liar and make my speech worth nothing?

27:4 My lips will not speak wickedness, nor my tongue utter deceit (Job 27:4).
34:6 Should I lie concerning my right? (Job 34:6).

36:4 For truly my words are not false (Job 36:4).

These scriptures clearly support the concept that Job and his companions
considered 'bearing false witness' to be wrong.

How can that be? Stealing and Lying wasn't a sin until Moses. :^0

 

[7seasrekeyed]

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wife (looking in mirror): Do I look fatter? I've gained about 15 pounds since we got married eight years ago.
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me: No, honey. Not at all.
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But it was a LIE! I am a LYING LIAR!!

haha

we avoid that one in our house

I have 2 eyes...I know if the pants fit or not and if they don't...wasn't my husband's fault LOL!

(unless all that dessert he brings home is a factor?)

anyway you are still a lying liar.....(jking)...saved your neck tho...

 

[Studyman]

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wife (looking in mirror): Do I look fatter? I've gained about 15 pounds since we got married eight years ago.
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me: No, honey. Not at all.
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But it was a LIE! I am a LYING LIAR!!

"There is a sin not unto death", I think this might qualify :^)

 

[Nehemiah6]

How can that be? Stealing and Lying wasn't a sin until Moses. :^0

That too is incorrect. The only difference after Moses is that the sins were spelled out, codified, and the penalties were clearly laid out. Before Moses, sins were sins, and the Flood came about because of sin and evil on this earth.

 

[Magenta]

How can that be? Stealing and Lying wasn't a sin until Moses. :^0

"For until the law sin was in the world, but sin is not imputed when there is no law. Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over those who had not sinned according to the likeness of the transgression of Adam, who is a type of Him who was to come." (Romans 5:13-14)

 

[Prov910]

"For until the law sin was in the world, but sin is not imputed when there is no law. Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over those who had not sinned according to the likeness of the transgression of Adam, who is a type of Him who was to come." (Romans 5:13-14)

What does this mean? (I'm asking in earnest, not disagreeing or criticizing.)

 

[MessageOfTheCross]

Whosoever would believe would enter into the house where the "Blood" was applied on the doorpost, entered into "The Law of the Spirit of Life in Christ Jesus (When I See the Blood I Will pass over you - The Passover)." They would be passed over by the Death Angel (The Law of Sin and Death). And ALL that aren't in the house (Every person had to partake of the Passover. This was mandatory) the Death Angel destroyed in Egypt (first born).

Fast forward to today. The wages of sin is still death if you aren't covered under The Blood of Jesus (stealing or lying).

 

[prove-all]

How can that be? Stealing and Lying wasn't a sin until Moses. :^0

Commandment 1:
2 "I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.
3 "You shall have no other gods before Me. (Exodus 20:2-3)


The Book of Job states:

21 Blessed be the name of the LORD (Job 1:21).

28 This also would be an iniquity deserving of judgement,
For I would have denied God who is above (Job 31:28).

1 The Job answered the LORD and said: 'I know that You can do everything,
and that no purpose of Yours can be withheld from You' (Job 42:1-2).

28 And to man He said, 'Behold, the fear of the Lord, that is wisdom,
and to depart from evil is understanding' (Job 28:28).

What is interesting about Job 28:28 is that Job said that this is what God said to man
and there is no record of this being said in Genesis (which is the primary biblical book
with information prior to the story of Job), thus this verse proves that God spoke to
humankind prior to Moses in at least one way that was not recorded in Genesis.

Thus this refutes the argument that none prior to Mount Sinai could have known what
the commandments were! If there were no commandments in effect, how could denying
God be an iniquity deserving of judgement?

 

[Blain]

They are both equally bad but how one uses both them determines what makes it worse. LIke I lie to my little 6 year niece by letting her believe in Santa, the way her eyes light up about meeting Santa or just talking about him makes where I simply don't have the heart to crush her spirit by telling her the truth.

say I stole a crayon from her box to finish my picture it's just a crayon and she rarely ever uses them to begin with but it's still stealing. However what if I stole 20 dollars from my mom and lied about it when confronted, which is worse the theft or the fact that i lied about the theft? True had i not stolen it in the first place i would not have needed to lie about it but does the fact I flat out lied to her face about it make it worse or are they both equal?