THree part word for today: # 3 Worship Leaders dressing like hookers & drunks

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Re: THree part word for today: # 3 Worship Leaders dressing like hookers & drunks

eternally-gratefull said:
I am a little confused, do not want to judge the op.

Are you saying it is better to wear 500 - 1000 dollar suits to church, then wear casual clothing that costs less than 100 dollars. and give the 400 to 900 dollars (a suit) to people who need it? should they all drive BMW's also? or os ot ok if they drive 1990 something toyota pick up trucks? (which the elder pastor of my particular sphere drives, oh and he wears jeans also. is this sin)
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that is not what I got out of the op :).

The issue is I think. and I could be wrong :)


point one

"We have pastors getting drunk with their staff after church. They began by justifying wine and then moved on to hard liquor. They justify it with grace teaching from beyond the Bible.
Both acts come from the same wickedness—abandoning the Bible. The Bible is gone as a standard. It is no longer regarded as the word of God.



point two:


"Scantily clad women on stage and inebriated ministers are no longer just a matter of hypocrisy and carnality…it is blasphemy. "


there are examples of this . you can find on line. the Op orignator is speaking from what he has personally seen . he has been in minstery for almost 50 years.
 
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plainguy said:
Would you know why DJ2's thread was deleted this morning ? This seems rather peculiar to me.
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PLEASE SEEK ADMIN as to why it was removed.

Thank you .
 
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So yet again the sins of the people are blamed on "grace teaching" when grace is actually what teaches people to say no to sin.

Titus 2:12
12It instructs us to renounce ungodliness and worldly passions, and to live sensible, upright, and godly lives in the present age,

So exactly how is the grace of God to blame?

I mean we could go back to legalism, there are many churches that keep people under control that way.

Perhaps the solution is the right understanding of grace rather that slandering grace and saying it is a license to sin.

Better yet how about preaching the true Gospel of forgiveness so that people can access the grace of God and then they will see that Grace can do what the law never could.




CS1 said:
that i9s not what I got out of the op :).

The issue is I think. and I could be wrong :)


point one

"We have pastors getting drunk with their staff after church. They began by justifying wine and then moved on to hard liquor. They justify it with grace teaching from beyond the Bible.
Both acts come from the same wickedness—abandoning the Bible. The Bible is gone as a standard. It is no longer regarded as the word of God.



point two:


"Scantily clad women on stage and inebriated ministers are no longer just a matter of hypocrisy and carnality…it is blasphemy. "


there are examples of this . you can find on line. the Op orignator is speaking from what he has personally seen . he has been in minstery for almost 50 years.
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It might show my age or paint me as old fashion, but I believe in dressing up to present myself to the Lord. Which I consider we do when worshipping. When another believer approaches me about wearing jeans or other casual dress, I tell them I don't think it sinful. Maybe they don't think they are presenting themselves to the Lord, like I do.

Torn and dishevelled clothing is carrying it too far. It is about respect for the Lord and each other. The young ladies should not look trampy or provocative in any way. Go ahead and wear your jeans, I won't. I will wear the best my Lord has provided me.

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CS1 said:
that i9s not what I got out of the op :).

The issue is I think. and I could be wrong :)


point one

"We have pastors getting drunk with their staff after church. They began by justifying wine and then moved on to hard liquor. They justify it with grace teaching from beyond the Bible.
Both acts come from the same wickedness—abandoning the Bible. The Bible is gone as a standard. It is no longer regarded as the word of God.
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I agree with this, Not just alcohol but any sin. When you have people leaving churhc to fornicate with thewir gf's or bfs, thats just as bad. (we were talking about this in a meeting last night.)
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"Scantily clad women on stage and inebriated ministers are no longer just a matter of hypocrisy and carnality…it is blasphemy. "


there are examples of this . you can find on line. the Op orignator is speaking from what he has personally seen . he has been in minstery for almost 50 years.
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Oh I agree, I would not want a lady who is in shorts and maybe has to much cleavage hanging out, But I also think on a day it is 90 degrees out. we have more important issues than to judge a person by what she wears.

I remember a pastor I had as a teenager who said he does not care if a person comes dressed in only a barrel, as long as they come to learn the word. and we can help them grow. and help them to the point they can purchase and actually afford to wear decent clothes..

and I asked, because I have had churches slam my church because of what the pastor drives and wears. Their point, Why would you wear that in Gods house? Well last I heard, Gods house was in our heart, not in building (thats another issue I have with the church which sadly I feel came from the roman church, passed on to the reformers.)
 
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UnderGrace said:
So yet again the sins of the people are blamed on "grace teaching" when grace is actually what teaches people to say no to sin.

Titus 2:12
12It instructs us to renounce ungodliness and worldly passions, and to live sensible, upright, and godly lives in the present age,

So exactly how is the grace of God to blame?

I mean we could go back to legalism, there are many churches that keep people under control that way.

Perhaps the solution is the right understanding of grace rather that slandering grace and saying it is a license to sin.

Better yet how about preaching the true Gospel of forgiveness so that people can access the grace of God and then they will see that Grace can do what the law never could.
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I think too, the main point of the OP is those entrusted or called to preach the word of God. They are held to a higer standard at least they should be . That is Biblical. scantily clad is not the same as modestly dressing and inebriated is not the same as a glass of wine with your dinner :).
 
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I still have not seen any of this happening.... I'm not saying it doesn't happen, I just haven't witnessed it myself.

Where is this behavior going on? California?
 
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hornetguy said:
I still have not seen any of this happening.... I'm not saying it doesn't happen, I just haven't witnessed it myself.

Where is this behavior going on? California?
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yes it has happen in California . many times very anointed men and women of God get invited to other church events. You go and think why did I agree to come to this and then walk out. It happens more then many know. you can be sitting next to a preacher on the platform and the smell of booze hits yea. Or a sister is there on the platform dressed very worldly . this is in the context minsters . there anre many examples just google drunk preachers or overly sexy dressed women minsters
 
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I am appalled and deeply saddened by the immoral dress and sexual appeal used by many "Christian" groups.
 
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removed not part of the thread context.
 
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^Plainguy, most forums have a policy of NOT discussing threads or members who have been moderated. I can't imagine this one to be any different.
 
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plainguy said:
Is a moderator not part and parcel of the administration ? Save me some time, if you will. Are you responsible for the deletion of DJ2's recent thread ... yes or no ? Personally, I suspect that you are. And even more troubling, I suspect you did this because you could not counter a few of the recent posts of his and mine with any conviction. Disagreeing on something is one matter. Deleting a thread because it may cause you to examine your own beliefs is quite another. Transparency does not elude you.
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Good afternoon,


Plainguy,

I going to be more respectful to you then you are to me at this time .

1. you are not DJ2

Therefore I cannot nor will I tell you why any person's thread has been moved, deleted, or banned.That is for DJ2 or the person who started the thread /Op to ask. The fact he was the OP orignator I will not tell you or anyone as to be respectful to the person(s) of the OP.

2. I directed you to the location to get your answer as I am required to do.

If you do not like the method take that up please, with the site Admin/Founder. If you have a personal issue with me I'm sorry to hear that.
But if you challenge a "mod" to the reason why a thread was removed you are violating CC rules . And you will be held accountble.

Were done. God bless and have a nice day.
 
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deleted by CS1


 
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plainguy said:
I'm asking you a simple and straightforward question. Not challenging ... asking. Are you responsible for the deletion of DJ2's thread ? If you are, I'd like to know. It'll save me the trouble of reading this forum any further. I have better ways to spend my time than to see discussions deleted by somebody that happens to disagree on a matter. On second thought ... forget I asked. I'm quite certain that you are the responsible party. For the record, you make yourself appear like a mall cop ..i.e... somebody who's always sought authority in life but could never find it. But you found your calling here, huh ? It's all yours. And yes ... you are transparent. Do whatever you have to do ... and spare me your phoney patronizing.
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Mods are under no obligation to explain why a thread was deleted. There are over 4000 members of this site and if each inquiry was responded to it would be overwhelming. A mod is in a position of authority and as such should be treated with respect. Obviously, you have a problem with those in authority. Besides the thread this post should be deleted as well.
 
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What does DS2s thread have to do with the current op? If you have a problem, email CS1 or one of the other mods, and ask, it is assumption that CS1 deleated the thread to begin with that the first issue.

Lets stick to the topic. I am sure the thread was deleted for a reason,
 
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Yes I agree, it is about our testimony to the world for me and it makes me sad that these people cannot see it.:(


CS1 said:
I think too, the main point of the OP is those entrusted or called to preach the word of God. They are held to a higer standard at least they should be . That is Biblical. scantily clad is not the same as modestly dressing and inebriated is not the same as a glass of wine with your dinner :).
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UnderGrace said:
Yes I agree, it is about our testimony to the world for me and it makes me sad that these people cannot see it.:(
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what do you think can be done to correct this ?
 
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CS1 said:
what do you think can be done to correct this ?
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Buy them nice clothes and give it them as a thank you gift?
 
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So, I went to the website of this guy, and he has some pretty profound commentary.

With regards to the OP, I have not seen this kind of dress in the church I go to. We are extremely hot in summer, our A/C in our 100 year old building is not the best. But people still dress modestly, if not overly fancy.[

I do want to add a something this evangelist says in another post, if that is ok. Or, I could start a whole thread. But, this seems particularly relevant in terms of some of the threads in the BDF.

[FONT=&quot]"The following are two quotes on cheap grace. One is from Joseph Prince and the other is from Detrick Bonhoeffer. They are direct quotes. They reveal a startling contrast.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Joseph Prince said, “His grace is cheapened when you think that He has only forgiven you of your sins up to the time you got saved, and after that point, you have to depend on your confession of sins to be forgiven. God’s forgiveness is not given in installments.”[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Dietrich Bonhoeffer said, “cheap grace is the grace we bestow on ourselves. Cheap grace is the preaching of forgiveness without requiring repentance, baptism without church discipline, Communion without confession…Cheap grace is grace without discipleship, grace without the cross, grace without Jesus Christ, living and incarnate.”[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]The first is saying we cheapen grace by repenting. The second is saying we cheapen grace by not repenting. [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Which one do you believe? I believe Bonhoeffer who—by the Grace of God—faced down Hitler. Actually, there’s no choice…Jesus not only taught us to repent, He taught us to do it daily.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]In Luke 11, Jesus said, “when you pray.” How often are we supposed to pray? Everyday. What is in that prayer? : “forgive us our trespasses as we forgive those who trespass against us.” That is repentance.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]The war on repentance—and the cheap grace that started the war—is vividly portrayed in 1 Corinthians 5. A sin in the church was so outrageous, even the pagans had never heard of it: A man had taken his mother as his wife.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Even though it brought shame on the church, the leaders did not want to correct this man. They declared war on repentance."

Just Wow!

https://mariomurilloministries.wordpress.com[/FONT]
 
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Angela53510 said:
So, I went to the website of this guy, and he has some pretty profound commentary.

With regards to the OP, I have not seen this kind of dress in the church I go to. We are extremely hot in summer, our A/C in our 100 year old building is not the best. But people still dress modestly, if not overly fancy.[

I do want to add a something this evangelist says in another post, if that is ok. Or, I could start a whole thread. But, this seems particularly relevant in terms of some of the threads in the BDF.

"The following are two quotes on cheap grace. One is from Joseph Prince and the other is from Detrick Bonhoeffer. They are direct quotes. They reveal a startling contrast.
Joseph Prince said, “His grace is cheapened when you think that He has only forgiven you of your sins up to the time you got saved, and after that point, you have to depend on your confession of sins to be forgiven. God’s forgiveness is not given in installments.”
Dietrich Bonhoeffer said, “cheap grace is the grace we bestow on ourselves. Cheap grace is the preaching of forgiveness without requiring repentance, baptism without church discipline, Communion without confession…Cheap grace is grace without discipleship, grace without the cross, grace without Jesus Christ, living and incarnate.”
The first is saying we cheapen grace by repenting. The second is saying we cheapen grace by not repenting.
Which one do you believe? I believe Bonhoeffer who—by the Grace of God—faced down Hitler. Actually, there’s no choice…Jesus not only taught us to repent, He taught us to do it daily.
In Luke 11, Jesus said, “when you pray.” How often are we supposed to pray? Everyday. What is in that prayer? : “forgive us our trespasses as we forgive those who trespass against us.” That is repentance.
The war on repentance—and the cheap grace that started the war—is vividly portrayed in 1 Corinthians 5. A sin in the church was so outrageous, even the pagans had never heard of it: A man had taken his mother as his wife.
Even though it brought shame on the church, the leaders did not want to correct this man. They declared war on repentance."

Just Wow!
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I think the op wants you to make the choice instead of making it for you. the contrast was done purposefully. The OP is saying you should be able to make the right choice with prayer , the word of God and discernment.

This is a big issue today Biblical illitercy . I'm not suggesting you have this issue :)
 
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