Threefold division - Error of Popular Theology?

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In reading popular books written by Kenneth Haggin and Benny Hinn, I have found that an understanding of the three-fold division of men is basic to their system(s). The body, which continued alive after the fall, had the sure destiny of dying suddenly one day. So the born-again man lives with the sure destiny of receiving an incorruptible, holy body suddenly one day. The soul/heart of man is the seat of his emotions, thoughts and will. Animals also have emotions, thoughts and personal wills. After the fall, the soul/heart of Adam underwent a process of decay, whereby it became progressively more wicked. So the born-again man undergoes the process of sanctification in time, where his soul/heart is becoming progressively more holy. The spirit of Adam died instantaneously at the fall. So the spirit of the born-again man is instantaneously made alive. Sanctification consists in listening to and following the spirit (which is the only part of man in contact with God) over and above listening to and following our semi-corrupt soul/heart (and has no spiritual contact with God). Such is my understanding. Understanding the three-fold division of man is absolutely essential to understanding these systems.

Yet, in my study of scripture I have found that the three-fold division of man is not an emphasis of scripture (if it is there at all).

There are extended analogies with a two-fold division of man in Old and New Testament. By extended, I mean that a dualistic division is not just mentioned in one verse, but the two fold division is essential to understanding the larger point being made. It is drawn out and details are explained.

In the creation account, Adam was made from the dust (body) and the body became alive when God breathed into him(spirit).
Dust to dust - his body returns to dust. His soul lives on. - this is a dualistic division

In Galatians 5 and Romans 8 Paul sets "flesh" against "spirit". In both vases he draws out the description in detail across many verses. - this is a dualistic division

In Romans 7 Paul contrasts the "law of my members" with his "inner being", "the law of my mind". - this is a dualistic division

There are single verses that support the dual-division:

Mat 10:28 Fear not those who klll the body, but him who is able to kill both soul and body in hell


II Cor 5:1 Earthly tabernacle and a heavenly one

There is not space to be exhaustive: There are more extended descriptions and single verses that assume a dual-division of men.



"Soul" is often used to mean "entire man"
Lev 4:2 The soul that sin will die.
I Pet 1:9 the end of faith is salvation of souls
Rev 6:9, 20:4 John saw the souls of them that were slain


"If the Bible ascribed only a psuche to brutes, and both psuche and pneuma to man, there would be some ground for assuming that the two are essentially distinct. But such is not the case. The living principle in the brute is called both nphs and rvch, psuche and pneuma. That principle in the brute creation is irrational and mortal; in man it is rational and immortal. "Who knoweth the spirit of man that goeth upward, and the spirit of the beast that goeth downward to the earth?" Eccles. iii. 21."Hodge, Charles (2012-04-14). Systematic Theology (All 3 Parts Complete) (Kindle Locations 23310-23316). . Kindle Edition.

The most common thing found in scripture is a dualistic division between the part of man that isn material "body" or "flesh" and that which can not be seen "spirit", "soul", "heart", "inner man", "mind"



There are single verses that seem to support a three- fold division (though each of these are disputed):
I Thes 5:23 whole man = spirit, should & body
Luke 1:46,47 My soul doth magnify the Lord and my spirit hat rejoiced…(probably a repetition of the same idea common in Jewish poetry)
4 fold-division
Luke 10:27 - Love with heart, soul, strength and mind


Heb 4:12 (Is this a three-fold division, or is the point that joints and marrow are not distinct substances, neither are soul and spirit. If they are separate substances, why does it prove the extreme sharpness of the word of God to separate them? Would the Word of God be proven sharp if it separated the body and the soul?)


I believe this list IS EXHAUSTIVE - four isolated verses. I have found no more.

What I did not find in scripture:
1. No extended use of a three or four fold division. Each verse in "one and done". There are no systems developed where a three-fold division is used to explain something. There is no section of scripture that details the threefold division and explains it, referring to it several times. Always "one mention and done".
2. No place where a pure spirit was said to exist in a man with a corrupted soul.

I have been looking for a theological work, not a popular book, that defends the tri-fold division of man as an essential doctrine. Can anyone on Christianchat recommend one?



"the 3-fold division of man, proposed by Plato, was introduced partially into the early Church, but soon came to be regarded as dangerous, if not heretical. It being held by the Gnostics that the pneuma in man was a part of the divine essence, and incapable of sin; and by the Apollinarians that Christ had only a human soma and psuche, but not a human pneuma, the Church rejected the doctrine that the psuche and pneuma were distinct substances, since upon it those heresies were founded. In later times the Semi-Pelagians taught that the soul and body, but not the spirit in man were the subjects of original sin. All Protestants, Lutheran and Reformed, were, therefore, the more zealous in maintaining that the soul and spirit. psuche and pneuma, are one and the same substance and essence. And this, as before remarked, has been the common doctrine of the Church."


Hodge, Charles (2012-04-14). Systematic Theology (All 3 Parts Complete) (Kindle Locations 23386-23395). . Kindle Edition.

I do believe in and have come to know the charisma of the Holy Spirit. That is not the point of the thread. I might concede (or might not) that one or more of those four verses above shows a three-fold (or four) division of man. What I can not see, and am not close to seeing, is that the three-fold division of man is a basic, essential doctrine, on which other doctrines (such as sanctification) should be built.
 
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Perhaps man of himself is bipartite (body, soul), and in union with spirit (whether good or bad) is tripartite? Spirit is knowledge from outside of a man from which he receives his destiny.

I don't know if it helps at all, but I think a distinction needs to be made between the spirit of natural life, and the spirit of eternal life.
 
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Theology gives my headaches.
Theology changes with time. Calvin, Bullinger, Edwards, Berkhof, Millard, Hodge, Nee, Macarthur - they are the ones I came across but they all focused differently. Personally I like Calvin (whom I believe is greatly misunderstood because readers didn't take into account of the time/place/situation he wrote the institutes of Christian religion - very much like Paul's letters), Berkhof, Edwards and Nee.
I think The Spiritual Man and the Freedom of the Will might provide some helpful insights.
But then they are gathering dust on my bookshelf now.
 
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Body, Soul and Spirit The body is made of earth; yet it is not something dead but alive and endowed with a living soul. Into this soul is breathed a spirit–the spirit of God, intended to know God, to reverence Him, to seek and taste Him, and to have its joy in Him and nothing else. ~ St. Theophan the Recluse
 
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Theology gives my headaches.
Theology changes with time. Calvin, Bullinger, Edwards, Berkhof, Millard, Hodge, Nee, Macarthur - they are the ones I came across but they all focused differently. Personally I like Calvin (whom I believe is greatly misunderstood because readers didn't take into account of the time/place/situation he wrote the institutes of Christian religion - very much like Paul's letters), Berkhof, Edwards and Nee.
I think The Spiritual Man and the Freedom of the Will might provide some helpful insights.
But then they are gathering dust on my bookshelf now.
I have read the theologies of a few of those men - I QUOTED from Hodge twice in the OP - none, that I have read (Berkhof, Millard HOdge and Macarthur), defend the tripartite division of man as an essential doctrine.
 
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Orthodox Anthropology "I pray to God that your whole spirit and soul and body may be preserved blameless until the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ (I Thess. 5:23)." I. Three aspects of a human person A human person is a unity of Body and Soul - both constitute a whole person. a.) Death (fall) breaks the natural bond 1.) Body-(Soma): we are "dust from the ground" (Gen 2:7)- Physical 2.) Soul- (Psyche): incorporeal, spiritual a.) Greek Platonic Thought about the Soul: (Christos Yannaras) For the ancients, to say that the "soul" is immortal is to believe it is divine. Immortality however, belongs to God alone. To say something is immortal is to say it has no beginning and no end - it is thus "uncreated." The human person is a created reality and as such it is not immortal but becomes a partaker of the Divine Nature and immortal by Grace. "Inasmuch as His divine power has freely given to us all the things for life and piety, through the full knowledge of Him Who called us by glory and virtue, by which He has freely given to us the very great and precious promises, that through these you might become partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption which is in the world by desire. [2 Peter. 1:3,4] Biblical Meaning of the term "Soul" "The word soul is among the most difficult words in the Bible and in Christian literature. . . Today, most people, almost self-evidently, understand the word "soul" more with the ancient Greek (Platonic) and less with its biblical meaning. They believe that, as there exists within a body of man blood, lymph, bone marrow, in the same way there exists and immaterial element, spiritual, essentially different from our material composition and precisely this is the soul- something transparent and indefineite, which leaves is with the last breath when we die and goes "somewhere else." (Christos Yannaras, Elements of Faith: An Introduction To Orthodox Theology, T & T Clark, P. 55.)" b.) Anything that has life is called a soul. c.) It signifies the way in which life is manifested in a person. d.) It signifies the whole person - not just the spiritual side e.) The soul does not merely dwell in the body, but is expressed by the body, which itself, like the flesh or the heart, corresponds to our ego (identity), to the way in which we realize life. f.) If the soul is the sign of life, it does not signify that it is also the cause of life, as the Greeks believed. It is the bearer of Life...in the New Testament, it appears also to be the bearer of eternal life, and therefore, the salvation of the soul is identified with the possibility of life which does not know corruption and death. "...the life-force that vivifies and animates the body...the soul is endowed with consciousness, it is a rational soul, possessing the capacity for abstract thought, and the ability to advance by discursive argument from premises to a conclusion. . . With the soul man engages in scientific and philosophical inquiry, analyzing the data of his sense-experience by means of discursive reasoning." (Kallistos Ware, The Orthodox Way, pg. 48.) 3.) Spirit- (Pneuma) = spiritual intellect/Nous (The highest aspect of the soul) "... nous or spiritual intellect - we understand eternal truths about God and the inner essence of created things, not through deductive reasoning, but by direct apprehension or spiritual perception- a kind of intuition. (Kallistos Ware, The Orthodox Way, pg. 48.)" "...most people are not even aware that they possess a spiritual intellect. . . Modern man has for the most part lost touch with the truest and highest aspect of himself; and the result of this inward alienation can be seen all too plainly in his restlessness, his lack of identity and his loss of hope. (Kallistos Ware, The Orthodox Way, pg. 49) 4. The Power of Self-Determination (Free-Will)
a.) We are free to choose between good and evil 5. The Heart: "Blessed are the pure in heart for they shall see God (Matt 5:8) "Within each person- within his or her truest and innermost self, often termed the ‘deep heart' or ‘ground of the soul' - there is a point of direct meeting and union with the Uncreated. "The Kingdom of God is within you. (Luke 17:21)."
 

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Genesis 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

It appears from this verse that man is body and spirit. The interaction and union of these two is what is called a soul.
 
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Genesis 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

It appears from this verse that man is body and spirit. The interaction and union of these two is what is called a soul.
So does that mean the soul disappears when the body dies?
 

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So does that mean the soul disappears when the body dies?
The body returns to dust,the spirit to be with the Lord awaiting it's redeemed body. I suppose you can call it a soul if you want. I go with Gen 2:7 because it is the first mention and carries greater weight for subsequent references.
 
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man is a Triipartite consisting of body soul and spirit

[h=3]1 Thessalonians 5[/h]King James Version (KJV)

[SUP]23 [/SUP]And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.
 
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do animals have a soul and spirit ?
 
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I have read the theologies of a few of those men - I QUOTED from Hodge twice in the OP - none, that I have read (Berkhof, Millard HOdge and Macarthur), defend the tripartite division of man as an essential doctrine.
Berkhof identified where trichotomy's from.
Macarthur is into Dichotomy.
Millard - I think he gave no answer.
They didn't defend or attack the doctrine of trichotomy. They just bring in more questions. I could be wrong because like I said they are gathering dust on the shelf - that is before I finished reading them cover to cover. Didn't I say they gave me headaches?
I think the Spiritual Man is in support of such.
Is is essential? I would look at the agenda behind such thoughts first. Benny and Kenneth are not my brothers.

To me spirit is air that we breath.
Soul is thought.
Body is where the action is.
 
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Does it really matter all that much?
 

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man is a Triipartite consisting of body soul and spirit

1 Thessalonians 5

King James Version (KJV)

[SUP]23 [/SUP]And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.
Again that doesn't exclude the soul from being a synthesis of spirit and body.
 
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Does it really matter all that much?
Everyone likes cars to a certain degree. Some just go by the color. Some go by the mileage. Some like to take it apart and see what's like inside. To each his own.
 

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Does it really matter all that much?
I.O.W. Why are we on this thread?
...only when we have the soul go one way and the spirit another and the body a third way.
 
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Again that doesn't exclude the soul from being a synthesis of spirit and body.
The word of God is able to divide the body from the soul and the soul from the spirit

hebrews 4

[SUP]12 [/SUP]For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
 

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I believe that the idea of threefold division originated from non biblical theories, mainly the work of certain philosophers, namely Aristotle, whose work posited three kinds of soul, the vegetative soul, the sensitive soul, and the rational soul. The vegetative soul can grow and nourish itself, the sensitive soul can experience sensations and move locally, the rational soul can receive forms of other things and compare them.
If I look at biblical references I only see two divisions, the body and the spirit,
Ecclesiastes 12:7 - Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.
 
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man is a Triipartite consisting of body soul and spirit

1 Thessalonians 5

King James Version (KJV)

[SUP]23 [/SUP]And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.
I quoted this verse in the OP. Did you read it?
 
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The word of God is able to divide the body from the soul and the soul from the spirit

hebrews 4

[SUP]12 [/SUP]For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
Did you read about this verse in the OP, too?