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Daniel is given a prophecy about the last days, I think of the days we are living in now.

Dan 7:25 He will speak words against the Most High and oppress the holy ones of the Most High. He will intend to change religious festivals and laws, and the holy ones will be handed over to him for a time, times, and half a time.

The "he" it is speaking of is the spirit in opposition to God. For some time now, we hear of our ministers being held in jails. I have been making a study of the steps Hitler took to oppose God, and many countries are taking these same steps, certainly this is true in America. We have several threads now, right here on cc, arguing about God's laws. Not one of our religious festivals is backed up by biblical instruction, even our Sunday, but by how we interpret bible. When Paul told us that we must live through Christ and not use the feasts we were given, it is read as instructions to do away with the feasts.
how is it you don't understand the OT prophet Daniel?
 
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Hi Isdaniel, I've never seen evidence that God changed Saturday to Sunday, so I say no. Jesus kept the Sabbath Day Rest, as well as in the Spirit of the Law. Where there is law, there is love.
You're right. GOD did not change the sabbath to Sunday. He just did away with the requirement to observe it. Where there are faith and love in Christ, the law can't open its mouth in condemnation.
 
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You're right. GOD did not change the sabbath to Sunday. He just did away with the requirement to observe it. Where there are faith and love in Christ, the law can't open its mouth in condemnation.

thou grace keeper hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
 

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You're right. GOD did not change the sabbath to Sunday. He just did away with the requirement to observe it. Where there are faith and love in Christ, the law can't open its mouth in condemnation.
Luke 16:17, "But it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one yodh of the Law to fail."

Daniyl 7:25, "And he will speak great words against Yahweh, and will wear out; mentally attack to cause to fall away, the saints of Yahweh, and think to change times and Laws."

Daniyl 8:12, "And a host was given him against the daily by reason of transgression, and it cast down the truth to the ground; and it practiced, and succeeded."
 
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And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws (Daniel 7:25).

What is time ? Sabbath worship to sun day worship

What governs time ? The weeklycycke

Who is the he in Daniel 7:25 ? The beast (country is a beast) that ruled the world for 1260 years

How does he wear out the saints of the Most High ? Burns them at the stake

What are the times and laws that were or are to change ?the laws that were changed was
the Sabbath
and the law # two about not having idols nor worshipping images. The beast system church had all kinds of idols and images so they rippe it out of the law

laws 2 and 4 were changed iby the beast


Why were these times and laws change ?
To blaspheme against God and take and nusurp his power

When were these times and laws change ?
321 AD



How were these times and laws change ?
By usurpation of authority claiming to be God on earth with more power than God in heaven,

even now they claim to have power to make any rule and change the Bible

they dont

 
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#48
Keeping the Sabbath is keeping Jesus in the heart all day and being married to him
and creating a day of sanctification to give us and fill us with his holy spirit
it isnt a Requirement!!!
it is an honor!!!

he would never take that gift of the Sabbath away from us

an I can testify that that Sabbath gift is still in place because peope who keep the Sabbath are recreated and filled with the holy spirnt to stop any sin.

Requirement?
Sabbath?
that just shows you have no clue what the Sabbath is

its like a bridegroom saying to bride

Iyou can relax now, I have removed the requirement to have relationship and have children together

requirement?

puh lease!

There is NO WAY the REQUIREMENT of keeping the Sabbath was ever changed

it is an honor the day of meeting and interacting with the holy spirit himself and he talks to me!
reauirement!

It is obvious you have never had a Sabbath experience
going into th deep

that is sad.

He would
NEVER NEVER NEVER
take that away from his bride
never
He couldnt
he changes not
 
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Luke 16:17, "But it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one yodh of the Law to fail."
But the law hasn't passed; it's been transferred from the pattern to the true, i.e. Christ. (as the writer of Hebrews says)
 
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The Sabbath is the day of BARAK!

through the whole Bible it is mentioned hundreds of times

it was falsely translated to mean Blessing (whatever that means!!!) by pagan monks

since they had no relationship with JEsus either and didnt have a clue

the only people who kept their relationship with God was the Jews and they didnt even know about JEsus yet...

BARAK
the Sabbath blessing

it means to CAUSE TO KNEEL AND RECIEVE COMPLETELY OF THE HOLY SPIRIT

everytime you see BARAK
you should substitute
"TO CAUSE TO KNEEL DOWN AND ADORE gOD AND RECIEVE HIS SABBATH HOLY SPIRIT BLESSING"

BARAK

THERE IS
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY
HE WOULD EVER REMOVE THAT FROM HIS BRIDE

NOOOOO
WAY AT ALL1

LOOK
HERE IS THE TRUTH
THE DEVIL CONTROLLED AND TOOK OVER THE CHRISTIAN CHURCH
AND REMOVED THE ONLY DAY WHERE THE CHRISTIANS WOULD BE EMPOWERED TO WIN EVERY VICTORY
AND GAVE THEM THE PAGAAN DAY OF THE SUN

IT IS CENTRAL TO EVERYTHING

ALL THIS DISPENSATIONALISM
ALL THESE GARCE GRACE NO LAW
IT IS ALL ABOUT sABBATH SUNDAY
THE DEVIL IS FIGHTING TOOTH AND NAIL FROM EVER HAVING YOU EXPERIENCE ONE WINGLE sabbath barak!

BECAUSE ONCE YOU DO
yOU WILL BE IN THE DEEP
AND HE HAS LOST YOU

YOU WILL BE jESUS BRIDE AND SO FULL OF LOVE AND FAITH ALL SIN LOOSES ATTRACTION

ASK ME
i KNOW
YOU TRY IT
 
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Keeping the Sabbath is keeping Jesus in the heart all day and being married to him
and creating a day of sanctification to give us and fill us with his holy spirit
it isnt a Requirement!!!
it is an honor!!!

he would never take that gift of the Sabbath away from us

an I can testify that that Sabbath gift is still in place because peope who keep the Sabbath are recreated and filled with the holy spirnt to stop any sin.

Requirement?
Sabbath?
that just shows you have no clue what the Sabbath is

its like a bridegroom saying to bride

Iyou can relax now, I have removed the requirement to have relationship and have children together

requirement?

puh lease!

There is NO WAY the REQUIREMENT of keeping the Sabbath was ever changed

it is an honor the day of meeting and interacting with the holy spirit himself and he talks to me!
reauirement!

It is obvious you have never had a Sabbath experience
going into th deep


that is sad.

He would
NEVER NEVER NEVER
take that away from his bride
never
He couldnt
he changes not
Yeah I can tell you've gone off the deep end.
 
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God has
in his infinite majesty
and power
and glory
and authority
promised the BARAK to everyone who does it
and satan is afraid of that
he will do anything anything anything not for you to have your first honeymoon with Jesus
anything any lie anything
so you wont try the Sabbath barak

because there is no going back to an impotent abusive husband once you have met the king of love and glory.
 
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2Thewaters

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#53
Show me from your Bible where we are to change Sabbath from sunday

(silence)
Do you believe your Bible or your handlers?

there is a lot of money involved here,

Jesus doesnt need money

Sabbath Barak is FREE

But you have to agree to follow Jesus all the way
then taste and see that he is good.
 
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Eager to learn more, I continued to listen closely to what the young man had to say about the "little horn" power of Daniel 7. "Not only did the Pope 'think' to change the second commandment," he continued "but he moved the rest of the other nine commandments up one number [number three was now number two, and number four was now number three, etc.], and then he divided number ten in half, making two commandments out of the one, so that there would still be ten commandments!" I remember the day I looked in a Catholic Catechism to verify this for myself and gasped.

The second commandment was gone, the fourth commandment, which says: "Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days shalt thou labour and do all thy work: But the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord thy God" was now the third and simply said: "Remember that thou keep holy the Sabbath." Number nine said, "Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's wife." And number ten said, "Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's goods."

What authority did the Roman Catholic Church have, anyway, to change the law of God, I wondered? The young minister continued with his lecture by challenging my lifelong beliefs even further when he asked the question, "How did the little horn think to change 'times'?"
 
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Proverbs 8:13The fear of the Lord is to hate evil: pride, and arrogancy, and the evil way, and the froward mouth, do I hate.
 
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It seems that many Christians either have the mentality of wanting to nail anything they do not like to the cross or are unable to tell the difference between the sacrificiallaw and God's moral law. All too often Christians see the word “law” in the Bible and assume it is the Ten Commandments. Why do so many assume that the ordinances and the Ten Commandments are the same thing?

The only relationship between the two laws is that the moral law defines sin, as sin is the transgression of the Law. (
1 John 3:4) And the “ordinances” or the “Law of Moses” and the many other names it is referred to in the Bible defined the sacrifices, which were the remedy for sin. The Old and New Testaments are abundantly clear what the ordinances and this worldly sacrificial sanctuary system were and their purpose. The King James Version should be used to study this topic as it is has the most accurate translation of this passage. Note the following points.
 
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  1. The Ten Commandments and the ordinances are not the same thing and are separate as shown by Luke 1:6.
  2. The following scripture also shows that the ordinances were part of the sacrificial sanctuary
    service and not the moral law by telling us that the first covenant had also the ordinances as well as the Ten Commandments but in the new covenant the ordinances are gone leaving just what God wrote in stone.​
    Hebrews
    9:1-2
    Then verily the first covenant had also ordinances of divine service
    , and a worldly sanctuary. 2 For there was a tabernacle made; the first, wherein was the candlestick
    , and the table, and the show bread; which is called the sanctuary.
  3. Paul uses the word ordinances in verse 14, which does consist of “meat
    offerings
    ”, “drink offerings”, “new moon” festivals, “holydays” and various ceremonial “sabbaths” or “
    sabbath
    days
    ” which are described in verse 16 and were all part of the
    Mosaic Law
    that pointed forward to the work Jesus did on the cross and hence ended at the cross as Paul says in verse 14. As just seen in Hebrews 9:1-2, these ordinances were part of the worldly sacrificial sanctuary system which involved sin offerings, which of course were no longer necessary and were nailed to the cross when Jesus became the true Lamb of God.
 
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Would pushing Christmas on followers of Jesus be changing times? Since no man knows the birthday of Jesus, make one up, is that changing times? I am sincerely interested in what you say.
 
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Special Note: Please note that God's law also called the 10 Commandments has existed at least as long as sin has existed. The Bible says, "Where no law is, there is no transgression [or sin]." Romans 4:15. So God's TenCommandment law existed from the beginning. Men broke that law."Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law." 1 John 3:4Because of sin (or breaking God's law), Moses law was given (or "added" Galatians 3:16, 19) till Christ should come and die. Two separate laws involved: God's law or 10 Commandments and Moses law.
 
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Would pushing Christmas on followers of Jesus be changing times? Since no man knows the birthday of Jesus, make one up, is that changing times? I am sincerely interested in what you say.
The prophet Daniel foresaw that in our time, some people would wish others a happy new year at a wrong time. Daniel 7:25 speaks about some fourth gentile empire that was to rule over the world. This empire was to take it upon itself to, among other evils, try to change the ‘times…’ of the people of God. Have you ever wondered for example why we begin our days from midnight to midnight? Are you aware for example, that the word ‘dawn’ comes from the Hebrew word ‘dowr’, which means to ‘draw towards’? Would it be far-fetched if one were to assert that the day should begin from sunset to sunset the following day? (Genesis 1:5, 14)

Dan 7:25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.

Gen 1:5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.
Gen 1:14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:


The children of Israel were taught how to count time, dates and months included. In Exodus chapter 12, God tells the children of Israel, “This month shall be the beginning of the year to you; this shall be the first month…” (Exodus 12:1-6).