Tithing in the New Covenant 10% or what is in your Heart

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Hal51

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My Bible study group is debating this subject, I say the 10% is old testament and that we are not bound to it any more. when Jesus said it is Finished I believe he closed the book on the old Testament, I believe we give what is in our Hearts but look what Jesus has done for us, 10% I think not I will give all. Please give me your feedback it is very important to me my Brothers and Sisters in Christ.
 
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My understanding is the 10% tithe was for the temple priests, and now that we no longer have temple priests, the 10% no longer applies. It was more like a tax.
 
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Nuns_n_roses

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I was faced with this decision. I have very limited funds at this time, but one day in church I heard of an amazing cause I wanted to donate to. Unfortunately, I had to choose... 10% tithing or monthly donations to a cause I wanted?

I asked God during church and in my heart He spoke to me. I knew He wanted me to give to a worthy cause, so I decided on that instead of tithing. I do believe that tithing is important though, because the church also needs to supply for the poor as it is a huge source of supplies for them a lot of the time (or should be).

I would ask God. I maintain that if you have the money to do both, that would be great but that doesn't always happen. Tithing is important but given a choice just listen to what God has whispered in your heart. :)
 
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NiceneCreed

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My Bible study group is debating this subject, I say the 10% is old testament and that we are not bound to it any more. when Jesus said it is Finished I believe he closed the book on the old Testament, I believe we give what is in our Hearts but look what Jesus has done for us, 10% I think not I will give all. Please give me your feedback it is very important to me my Brothers and Sisters in Christ.

As with anything else we do, we are judged by our hearts, and I do not believe the act of tithing is any different, as we should give from our hearts; the amount we tithe is not what's important.

"For the word of God is alive and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart" (Hebrews 4:12, New International Version, 2011).


Grace and Peace!
 
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Hal51

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Thank You my brothers and Sisters, Keep it coming this is good stuff!
 
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NiceneCreed

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My Bible study group is debating this subject, I say the 10% is old testament and that we are not bound to it any more. when Jesus said it is Finished I believe he closed the book on the old Testament, I believe we give what is in our Hearts but look what Jesus has done for us, 10% I think not I will give all. Please give me your feedback it is very important to me my Brothers and Sisters in Christ.

I realized I neglected to include the most important scripture which specifically addresses your question:

Jesus sat down opposite the place where the offerings were put and watched the crowd putting their money into the temple treasury. Many rich people threw in large amounts. But a poor widow came and put in two very small copper coins, worth only a few cents. Calling his disciples to him, Jesus said, “Truly I tell you, this poor widow has put more into the treasury than all the others. They all gave out of their wealth; but she, out of her poverty, put in everything—all she had to live on” (Mark 12:41-44, New International Version, 2011).

Like the poor widow, Jesus does not focus on the amount one gives out of their abundance of wealth, but by the abundance of their heart.


Grace and Peace!

 

john832

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The word tithe means 10%.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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As with anything else we do, we are judged by our hearts, and I do not believe the act of tithing is any different, as we should give from our hearts; the amount we tithe is not what's important.

"For the word of God is alive and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart" (Hebrews 4:12, New International Version, 2011).


Grace and Peace!
I agree, But will add. the tithe is 10 %, So in this aspect. it would matter, Anything less than 10% would not be considered a tithe.

I think this is why the word should be done away with. We give to God what he lays on our hearts. As long as we are cheerful givers, god will bless it. no matter how much we give.

If God is working through a local church, HE WILL supply all their needs. He promised this in his word..
 

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God is the same yesterday today an tommrow an he ask for 10% which is really a little amout sence it is all his anyway... anything less than 10% is a lack of faith that God will take care of are needs this is the one thing in the bible God actually tells us to test him on... anything more than 10% is an offering annis also great...thats simiple truth... much love.
 
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Tithing as it is defined today is an income tax. There was no such thing in the Old Testament. Tithes were only paid by those who owned fields that produced crops or by who those who owned livestock. People who worked for wages were exempt and paid no tithes.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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God is the same yesterday today an tommrow an he ask for 10% which is really a little amout sence it is all his anyway... anything less than 10% is a lack of faith that God will take care of are needs this is the one thing in the bible God actually tells us to test him on... anything more than 10% is an offering annis also great...thats simiple truth... much love.
he never asked for ten % until the law was given (Which came AFTER adam lived for 900 years, Noah survived the flood. The tower of babel. Abraham and his life. The 400 year captivity in Egypt. etc.)

So if God is the same yesterday today and tomorrow. Then he must have slipped and forgot to tell all these people to tithe.

Yes, Abraham gave a tenth of his spoil to Melchizedek. But this does not mean he was commanded to. He gave of his excess. NOT OF HIS regular wage!
 
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Under the old covenant, those who worked a job were owed wages, and whatever they earned was theirs to keep. Those who had fields and livestock labored and were owed nothing. Whatever increase they received was the gift of GOD. Thus they were required to return the tenth part (not 10%) to GOD, IMO to honor the one who gave the increase.

Two things to mention regarding the above:


  • laborers who worked the fields and tended livestock did not pay tithes; they were owed wages; the tithe was only on the increase of grain and livestock
  • if a person had a flock that produced 9 lambs during the course of the year, he couldn't pay a tithe that year because the tithe was to be the tenth lamb produced, not 10% of all lambs produced.
 
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There are 3 options
Give nothing
Give something, any percentage will do, if we insist on limits.
Give all

Let's all bump it up a notch whatever it is.

"For thus saith Salvation, Ye have sold yourselves for nought;
and ye shall be redeemed without money."

You gave yourself expecting nothing in return
so don't expect money to make a difference.
 
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My Bible study group is debating this subject, I say the 10% is old testament and that we are not bound to it any more. when Jesus said it is Finished I believe he closed the book on the old Testament, I believe we give what is in our Hearts but look what Jesus has done for us, 10% I think not I will give all. Please give me your feedback it is very important to me my Brothers and Sisters in Christ.
Matthew 19:21Jesus answered, “If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.”

Matthew 22:21
“Caesar’s,” they replied. Then he said to them, “So give back to Caesar what is Caesar’s, and to God what is God’s.”

Luke 11:42
“Woe to you Pharisees, because you give God a tenth of your mint, rue and all other kinds of garden herbs, but you neglect justice and the love of God. You should have practiced the latter without leaving the former undone.

Matthew 9:13
But go and learn what this means: ‘I desire mercy, not sacrifice.’ For I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners.”
 

john832

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Tithing as it is defined today is an income tax. There was no such thing in the Old Testament. Tithes were only paid by those who owned fields that produced crops or by who those who owned livestock. People who worked for wages were exempt and paid no tithes.
Where do you get this stuff?

Christ plainly shows what tithing is and that we should still do it...

Mat 23:23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.

Don't leave the tithing undone.
 
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The OT tithe wasn't just money. It was 10% of crops & livestock put in a storehouse within the gate of the city, designated for the Levites, the poor, & the stranger.

Malachi 3:8-12 (KJV)
[SUP]8 [/SUP]Will a man rob God? Yet ye have robbed me. But ye say, Wherein have we robbed thee? In tithes and offerings. [SUP]9 [/SUP]Ye are cursed with a curse: for ye have robbed me, even this whole nation. [SUP]10 [/SUP]Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be meat (food) in mine house, and prove me now herewith, saith the LORD of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that there shall not be room enough to receive it. [SUP]11 [/SUP]And I will rebuke the devourer for your sakes, and he shall not destroy the fruits of your ground; neither shall your vine cast her fruit before the time in the field, saith the LORD of hosts. [SUP]12 [/SUP]And all nations shall call you blessed: for ye shall be a delightsome land, saith the LORD of hosts.
Here Israel was robbing God because the poor, the stranger, & His chosen servants the Levites weren't being taken care of.
Nowadays, we overpay God's senior minister & starve the poor, the stranger, & the other lower ministers. It's a matter of pride, & not love.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Where do you get this stuff?

Christ plainly shows what tithing is and that we should still do it...

Mat 23:23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.

Don't leave the tithing undone.
Um, they tithed food and spice. Not money, which shows what he said is true.

and they were pharisees, under law.

who is leaving the tithing undone? Christ had not yet died,, the law was still in effect. Jesus was trying to show them they they were not (unlike what they thought) perfect obeyers of the law. Which if they listened should have caused them to do what?


 

john832

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The tithe wasn't money at all. In fact, if someone converted the tithe to money, he add to tack on an additional 20% penalty.
Some more of your incomplete knowledge. There were actually three tithes...

First...

Lev 27:30 And all the tithe of the land, whether of the seed of the land, or of the fruit of the tree, is the LORD'S: it is holy unto the LORD.
Lev 27:31 And if a man will at all redeem ought of his tithes, he shall add thereto the fifth part thereof. Lev 27:32 And concerning the tithe of the herd, or of the flock, even of whatsoever passeth under the rod, the tenth shall be holy unto the LORD.
Lev 27:33 He shall not search whether it be good or bad, neither shall he change it: and if he change it at all, then both it and the change thereof shall be holy; it shall not be redeemed.

and again if you had read the entire passage it would be obvious how this worked. Every tenth critter that passed under the rod (Now this was not of the herd, but of those born this year in the herd, the increase over last year) was God's. You didn't give Him the best or the worst, you gave Him the tenth one regardless. Now if you wanted to keep that animal, you had to redeem it by buying it with 100% of its value plus 20%, or 120% of its value. Else you just let it go to God.

Second...

Deu 14:22 Thou shalt truly tithe all the increase of thy seed, that the field bringeth forth year by year.
Deu 14:23 And thou shalt eat before the LORD thy God, in the place which he shall choose to place his name there, the tithe of thy corn, of thy wine, and of thine oil, and the firstlings of thy herds and of thy flocks; that thou mayest learn to fear the LORD thy God always.
Deu 14:24 And if the way be too long for thee, so that thou art not able to carry it; or if the place be too far from thee, which the LORD thy God shall choose to set his name there, when the LORD thy God hath blessed thee:
Deu 14:25 Then shalt thou turn it into money, and bind up the money in thine hand, and shalt go unto the place which the LORD thy God shall choose:

Notice there is no mention of an additional 20% here. That was only if you redeemed any animal of the first tithe. If you were a craftsman and did not raise animals, then 10% of your increase was tithe and that was that.

Deu 14:26 And thou shalt bestow that money for whatsoever thy soul lusteth after, for oxen, or for sheep, or for wine, or for strong drink, or for whatsoever thy soul desireth: and thou shalt eat there before the LORD thy God, and thou shalt rejoice, thou, and thine household,

Deu 12:17 Thou mayest not eat within thy gates the tithe of thy corn, or of thy wine, or of thy oil, or the firstlings of thy herds or of thy flock, nor any of thy vows which thou vowest, nor thy freewill offerings, or heave offering of thine hand:
Deu 12:18 But thou must eat them before the LORD thy God in the place which the LORD thy God shall choose, thou, and thy son, and thy daughter, and thy manservant, and thy maidservant, and the Levite that is within thy gates: and thou shalt rejoice before the LORD thy God in all that thou puttest thine hands unto.

Deu 16:16 Three times in a year shall all thy males appear before the LORD thy God in the place which he shall choose; in the feast of unleavened bread, and in the feast of weeks, and in the feast of tabernacles: and they shall not appear before the LORD empty:
Deu 16:17 Every man shall give as he is able, according to the blessing of the LORD thy God which he hath given thee.

This is the festival tithe to keep the Pilgrim Festivals as they are called. There was also an offering taken three times in a year.

Third...

Deu 14:28 At the end of three years thou shalt bring forth all the tithe of thine increase the same year, and shalt lay it up within thy gates:
Deu 14:29 And the Levite, (because he hath no part nor inheritance with thee,) and the stranger, and the fatherless, and the widow, which are within thy gates, shall come, and shall eat and be satisfied; that the LORD thy God may bless thee in all the work of thine hand which thou doest.

On the third and sixth year of the seven year cycle (you do know about the seven year cycles adn the Jubile, don't you?) another tithe was given to support the Levites, the fatherless and the widows. This was the system that took care of those who could not take care of themselves. Remember the tribe of Levi was not given any inheritance in the land, they had no way to grow food or generate income. Their duty was to serve God.

So there were two tithes every year, 20% of your income.

The first 10% went to God for the upkeep of the Temple andthe religious system. There was no civil government, Israel lived in a Theocracy.

The second 10% went back to you and you spent it to keep the Holydays...

Deu 12:5 But unto the place which the LORD your God shall choose out of all your tribes to put his name there, even unto his habitation shall ye seek, and thither thou shalt come:
Deu 12:6 And thither ye shall bring your burnt offerings, and your sacrifices, and your tithes, and heave offerings of your hand, and your vows, and your freewill offerings, and the firstlings of your herds and of your flocks:
Deu 12:7 And there ye shall eat before the LORD your God, and ye shall rejoice in all that ye put your hand unto, ye and your households, wherein the LORD thy God hath blessed thee.

Then two years out of seven there was an additional tenth for the Levites, fatherless and widows. This was a fair and equitable system much better than the welfare system of today.

Anyhoo, some people spout off about things they have no knowledge of.
 
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