To Be Clear...........Arminianism

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Gods children are doers of the word. He made them able to do the words of God.

they were saved by grace through FAITH not of works. Eph 2; 8 - 9 in which they were made new creatures, created FOR GOOD WORKS (eph 2: 10)

when are you going to stop excusing your sin, and humble yourself before God?
You on the other hand does nothing ...no works...
 
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then you are disagreeable.

Only a lack of faith on noah part would cause him to stop. if he was assured God was going to do what he said, he never would have stopped. his faith would have been dead.


Noah did not earn salvation, he was saved the moment he trusted God. before he even started to build the ark.
So if what you say is true then after Noah pounded the first nail in faith his work was done.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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So if what you say is true then after Noah pounded the first nail in faith his work was done.
No, If that was the case, Noah earned his salvation by working, and it was not a grace gift.

I am saying Noah (like abraham) believed God and it was accounted to him for righteousness BEFORE he layed the first plank on the ground.

We are saved by faith, Our works are a result of our faith. Our salvation is because of faith, Not by works. The works, as paul said in eph 2: 10 are the result of our faith, and new birth.

Gods children WILL WORK. it is not an if they will work. And God does not force them to work, he does not have to. They trust him and are now empowered by him, so they WILL WORK.

Some may work more than others, and mature in Christ, but all of them will work
 
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eternally-gratefull

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You on the other hand does nothing ...no works...
I was going to respond with a lengthy adequate response. But I am not. Responses like this are just arrogant and not worthy of my time anymore.

Believe what you want. How you can read what I said, and get that I do not work, or need to work is just ..... I do not even know what to say.
 

p_rehbein

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....the thread has probably outlived it's usefulness anyhoo................so............. :)
 
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No, If that was the case, Noah earned his salvation by working, and it was not a grace gift.

I am saying Noah (like abraham) believed God and it was accounted to him for righteousness BEFORE he layed the first plank on the ground.

We are saved by faith, Our works are a result of our faith. Our salvation is because of faith, Not by works. The works, as paul said in eph 2: 10 are the result of our faith, and new birth.

Gods children WILL WORK. it is not an if they will work. And God does not force them to work, he does not have to. They trust him and are now empowered by him, so they WILL WORK.

Some may work more than others, and mature in Christ, but all of them will work
I like this response.
 
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No, If that was the case, Noah earned his salvation by working, and it was not a grace gift.

I am saying Noah (like abraham) believed God and it was accounted to him for righteousness BEFORE he layed the first plank on the ground.

We are saved by faith, Our works are a result of our faith. Our salvation is because of faith, Not by works. The works, as paul said in eph 2: 10 are the result of our faith, and new birth.

Gods children WILL WORK. it is not an if they will work. And God does not force them to work, he does not have to. They trust him and are now empowered by him, so they WILL WORK.

Some may work more than others, and mature in Christ, but all of them will work
You are twisting the word....we are saved by Grace through faith ...Grace is God's work .... faith is us doing God's work
Our salvation is because of God's Grace through faith in him.
What you are saying may sound nice but when you say God's children will work it gives the impression they are programmed you are crafting the word to suit your doctrine. God always gives man a choice.
For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.
Here he says He created us unto good works...he didn't say you must or you will he said you should.
Look at this ..But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: You say one is empowered by him so they will work. He says I give you the power to become.
Building the ark was not the first time Noah believed God he was always a believer, it was not the first time he obeyed God he always obeyed. Go look at all the instructions he had to follow and see he did everything as instructed. Our salvation is in Christ he is our ark he has given instructions how to abide in him and bear fruit but men struggle against him to their own destruction.
 
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I was going to respond with a lengthy adequate response. But I am not. Responses like this are just arrogant and not worthy of my time anymore.

Believe what you want. How you can read what I said, and get that I do not work, or need to work is just ..... I do not even know what to say.
Sometimes its better to let them have the last word even when they are wrong. Correct them gently once, and if they wont even consider what your saying kick the dust off your feet and move on, no use throwing your pearls before, those that have ears but cant hear.