To what extend is the humanity of God (Jesus Christ) at present and for eternity?

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The better question would have been, "How was Jesus' Spirit different than our spirit?", and not whether He was fully human.
 
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The better question would have been, "How was Jesus' Spirit different than our spirit?", and not whether He was fully human.
As a man, He had a human spirit as do all humans.
 

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As a man, He had a human spirit as do all humans.
Oh, I disagree totally.

Our Lord Jesus was only fully human in the flesh sense, not in the spirit sense, for He was fully GOD at the same time He was in the flesh, otherwise His sacrifice upon the cross would mean nothing, because only GOD has power to forgive our sins and give eternal Life.
 
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Oh, I disagree totally.

Our Lord Jesus was only fully human in the flesh sense, not in the spirit sense, for He was fully GOD at the same time He was in the flesh, otherwise His sacrifice upon the cross would mean nothing, because only GOD has power to forgive our sins and give eternal Life.
He is fully God AND fully man. He is the only human born indwelt by the Spirit of God within His own human spirit.
 
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Jesus was 100% human, and 100% God. Just as you are 100% human, and 100% the soul that is you, inside your 100% physical body. Jesus no longer has a physical body, just like we won't either someday.
when Jesus resurrected, he resurrected with a physical body. during 40 days after his resurrection , he eat with his disciples. he as Thomas to touch him( his resurrected body) and it is with that same body that He ascended and entered heaven. Jesus didn't seize from being man after resurrection he will eternally remain the GOD-MAN! THERE IS A MAN IN THE GODHEAD; THE MAN CHRIST JESUS, WHO REPRESENTS THE NEW CREATION RACE! bless
 

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when Jesus resurrected, he resurrected with a physical body. during 40 days after his resurrection , he eat with his disciples. he as Thomas to touch him( his resurrected body) and it is with that same body that He ascended and entered heaven. Jesus didn't seize from being man after resurrection he will eternally remain the GOD-MAN! THERE IS A MAN IN THE GODHEAD; THE MAN CHRIST JESUS, WHO REPRESENTS THE NEW CREATION RACE! bless
But is it the SAME kind of flesh we have today? I don't think so...

John 20:19-20
19 Then the same day at evening, being the first day of the week,
when the doors were shut where the disciples were assembled for fear of the Jews, came Jesus and stood in the midst, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you.

20 And when He had so said, He shewed unto them His hands and His side. Then were the disciples glad, when they saw the Lord.
KJV


He also ate a piece of honeycomb and fish His disciples gave Him. He also ate of the food that Abraham had prepared back in Genesis 18, along with the two angels that He sent to get Lot and his family out of Sodom and Gomorrah (Gen.19).

So we know the resurrected body can eat man's food, and it is not a ghost, the resurrection body has substance.

But can we say it's really flesh like today's, because it won't get sick, won't feel hot or cold, does not grow old and die, and can walk through walls into a closed room like Jesus did there in John 20? There's more to understand than to just say it's a flesh body just like today's, and Apostle John recognized this:

1 John 3:2
2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when He shall appear, we shall be like Him; for we shall see Him as He is.
KJV


And have you ladies considered why women believers in Christ's Church also have that label of "sons of God"? So obviously, there's more to consider on this point which God's Word does give us a lot more about than just saying we're going to have a new flesh body like today's.



 
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Jesus isn't still a man. He was first God in Heaven with the Father & the Holy Spirit. When He was born, He was 100% man & 100% God. After He died & was raised, He was 100% God & not man.

Have we forgotten that the reason we know we're going to have an immortal body is because we'll be like Jesus then? True Sons of God in the full image & likeness.


1 John 3:2 (KJV)
[SUP]2 [/SUP]Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

1 Corinthians 15:20-23 (KJV)
[SUP]20 [/SUP]But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept. [SUP]21 [/SUP]For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead. [SUP]22 [/SUP]For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. [SUP]23 [/SUP]But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
 
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Jesus isn't still a man. He was first God in Heaven with the Father & the Holy Spirit. When He was born, He was 100% man & 100% God. After He died & was raised, He was 100% God & not man.

Have we forgotten that the reason we know we're going to have an immortal body is because we'll be like Jesus then? True Sons of God in the full image & likeness.


1 John 3:2 (KJV)
[SUP]2 [/SUP]Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

1 Corinthians 15:20-23 (KJV)
[SUP]20 [/SUP]But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept. [SUP]21 [/SUP]For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead. [SUP]22 [/SUP]For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. [SUP]23 [/SUP]But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.

Scripture doesn't line up with your comment in blue above.


1 Timothy 2:5 (NASB)
[SUP]5 [/SUP] For there is one God, and one mediator also between God and men, the man Christ Jesus,


Christ Jesus is still in heaven - and He is still a man and God = both 100% It's a mystery and hard for our little minds to comprehend how this can be....:)

He is our representative as a man before the Father.
 
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Scripture doesn't line up with your comment in blue above.


1 Timothy 2:5 (NASB)
[SUP]5 [/SUP] For there is one God, and one mediator also between God and men, the man Christ Jesus,


Christ Jesus is still in heaven - and He is still a man and God = both 100% It's a mystery and hard for our little minds to comprehend how this can be....:)

He is our representative as a man before the Father.
Well, it does per Gen.1:26-27 about the image and outward likeness God created man, which originates from His Own Image Likeness in Heaven.

This is why angels in God's Word were also called "men". And even in Isaiah 14, which is a parable about Satan, God calls him "a man".

Gen 18:1-5
18:1 And the LORD appeared unto him in the plains of Mamre: and he sat in the tent door in the heat of the day;

2 And he lift up his eyes and looked, and, lo, three men stood by him: and when he saw them, he ran to meet them from the tent door, and bowed himself toward the ground,

3 And said, My Lord, if now I have found favour in thy sight, pass not away, I pray thee, from thy servant:

4 Let a little water, I pray you, be fetched, and wash your feet, and rest yourselves under the tree:

5 And I will fetch a morsel of bread, and comfort ye your hearts; after that ye shall pass on: for therefore are ye come to your servant. And they said, So do, as thou hast said.
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Isa 14:12-17
12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:

14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.

15 Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.

16 They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, and consider thee, saying, "
Is this the man that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms;

17 That made the world as a wilderness, and destroyed the cities thereof; that opened not the house of his prisoners?"
KJV
 
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Jesus was 100% human, and 100% God. Just as you are 100% human, and 100% the soul that is you, inside your 100% physical body. Jesus no longer has a physical body, just like we won't either someday.
What Bible have you been reading? Jesus absolutely had a glorified new body when he rose to new life and ascended into Heaven. We too will have glorified new bodies on the New Heaven and New Earth.
 
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And have you ladies considered why women believers in Christ's Church also have that label of "sons of God"? So obviously, there's more to consider on this point which God's Word does give us a lot more about than just saying we're going to have a new flesh body like today's.
Sonship is not a matter of sex but of position in relationship to God. If we're considered sons of God, that means we're greatly favoured by Him and have been given great authority.
 
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Didn't Jesus call the Pharisee's Sons of God?
 

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Sonship is not a matter of sex but of position in relationship to God. If we're considered sons of God, that means we're greatly favoured by Him and have been given great authority.
There is no Bible passage of a female angel description. Jesus said they don't marry nor take in marriage in Heaven, remember?
 
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Well, it does per Gen.1:26-27 about the image and outward likeness God created man, which originates from His Own Image Likeness in Heaven.

This is why angels in God's Word were also called "men". And even in Isaiah 14, which is a parable about Satan, God calls him "a man".

Gen 18:1-5
18:1 And the LORD appeared unto him in the plains of Mamre: and he sat in the tent door in the heat of the day;

2 And he lift up his eyes and looked, and, lo, three men stood by him: and when he saw them, he ran to meet them from the tent door, and bowed himself toward the ground,

3 And said, My Lord, if now I have found favour in thy sight, pass not away, I pray thee, from thy servant:

4 Let a little water, I pray you, be fetched, and wash your feet, and rest yourselves under the tree:

5 And I will fetch a morsel of bread, and comfort ye your hearts; after that ye shall pass on: for therefore are ye come to your servant. And they said, So do, as thou hast said.
KJV



Isa 14:12-17
12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:

14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.

15 Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.

16 They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, and consider thee, saying, "
Is this the man that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms;

17 That made the world as a wilderness, and destroyed the cities thereof; that opened not the house of his prisoners?"
KJV
You are trying to use obscure OT scriptures to refute that our Lord Jesus Christ is both a Man and God in heaven? He is our representative as a Man. He is also called the last Adam.

The Father raised this same Jesus from the dead.

Acts 4:10 (NASB)
[SUP]10 [/SUP] let it be known to all of you and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ the Nazarene, whom you crucified, whom God raised from the dead —by this name this man stands here before you in good health.

 
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He is both God and Man, (1 John: 1) Man ( He hungered) God ( I AM)
 
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There is no Bible passage of a female angel description. Jesus said they don't marry nor take in marriage in Heaven, remember?
Correct. But I was talking more about sonship. Think along the lines of how the Father lavishes love upon his son in the Prodigal Son parable that Jesus tells.
 
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Correct. But I was talking more about sonship. Think along the lines of how the Father lavishes love upon his son in the Prodigal Son parable that Jesus tells.
They will say it's a parable a story that Jesus made up and not real
 
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They will say it's a parable a story that Jesus made up and not real
Jesus used an earthly story with a heavenly meaning. That's what parables are. The prodigal son story is a parable. It's no secret that the story is a parable. Every parable is clear in the language it uses.
 

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Isn't a priest taken from among his own people?
 
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Jesus used an earthly story with a heavenly meaning. That's what parables are. The prodigal son story is a parable. It's no secret that the story is a parable. Every parable is clear in the language it uses.
So was it a lie or not? Maybe a fib I don't think so.