Tongue Speaker's Survey

[shrume]

It can indeed be a hindrance to the gospel especially in this day and age where people are more educated and more skeptical.

Many people are not educated in biblical matters. Many Christians who think they are educated are skeptical of speaking in tongues. If they were educated, they would not be.

I find it so interesting that tongues became so prevalent after 1909, in the United States (Topeka Kansas), as in unintelligible speech, and before that for hundred of years was not practiced in the churches.

I hope that the Christian church comes to understand what speaking in tongues is, know that they can do it, and do it more than ever before.

That should be an indication right there that it is not an angelic language.

Tongues can be either a language of men or of angels (1 Cor 13:1).

It has been studied extensively by linguists. The neurosciences is pretty clear it releases endorphins.

This high emotional state is nearly always present when people begin to speak in modern tongues for the first time and afterward in their emotional "worship services and practice of modern tongues. People are susceptible to a suggestion which stimulates a mental response. When the person is having a stimulating emotional experience, whatever the source, it often produces a pleasant feeling. Scientists tell us that the body releases endorphins and other chemicals that are natural pain killers, and they give one a natural "high" or pleasant feeling.

Where do people get the idea that people who speak in tongues are highly emotional, or that speaking in tongues makes people emotional? Why do people sometimes call it "ecstatic languages"? People can speak in tongues in whatever mental state they happen to be in, whether joyful or not. Speaking in tongues does not make a person emotional or giddy.

Researchers at the University of Pennsylvania took brain images of five women while they spoke in tongues. They reported the activity came from the frontal lobes of the brain,". . .and found the frontal lobes; the thinking, willful part of the brain through which people control what they do; were relatively quiet, as were the language centers. The regions involved in maintaining self-consciousness were active. 5

That "Bible-truth" website does not know Bible truth. It's just another cessationist website speaking against things they do not understand. They're a dime a dozen.

It is significant that what these women were doing was not speaking in an unlearned language. The language center of their brains was inactive, but the phenomena of modern tongues speaking was being produced by the emotional region of the brain.

I'm sorry, but that's just a crock of kaka. Speaking in tongues is produced by an act of the will, not emotion. A person makes a conscious decision to speak in tongues, and he begins speaking. The words come from the gift of Holy spirit. A person does not need to be emotional or joyful to speak in tongues.

Goodman concludes that "when all features of glossolalia were taken into consideration -- that is, the segmental structure (such as sounds, syllables, phrases) and its supra segmental elements (namely, rhythm, accent, and especially overall intonation) -- she concluded that there is no distinction in glossolalia between Christians and the followers of non-Christian (pagan) religions. The "association between trance and glossolalia is now accepted by many researchers as a correct assumption," writes Goodman in the prestigious Encyclopedia of Religion (1987).

Modern Tongues Speaking Explained - What is really going on? By Cooper P Abrams III

or you can do the research in a reputable neuroscience journal.

Your source has no clue "what is really going on".

I do not understand why so many Christians simply do not believe what the Bible says. They go out of their way to find websites that discredit speaking in tongues, and go with that rather than what the Bible says.

What the heck are you afraid of?

To paraphrase Paul in Acts 19, did you received the holy spirit into manifestation when you believed? If not why not?

 

[FrankLee]

I'm always amazed at the mockery that appears whenever the baptism of the Holy Spirit and His gifts are discussed. Those that know nothing about it set themselves as experts. God's gifts and calling are without repentance (withdrawal that is) The Lord says about His works;

Acts 13:40-41 KJVS
Beware therefore, lest that come upon you, which is spoken of in the prophets; [41] Behold, ye despisers, and wonder, and perish: for I work a work in your days, a work which ye shall in no wise believe, though a man declare it unto you.

Acts the 19th chapter outlmovesines the way God moves. First these men believed. Then they were Water baptized. Then Paul laid hands on them and they received the gift of the Holy Spirit and spake in tongues.

In my case I was baptized in the Holy Spirit and received the gift of tongues before I was Water baptized. Jesus came and saved me outside of church. I was not going to church and had no desire to go. All I ever saw from church people was coldness and DEAD RELIGION. The "visitation" people would come from time to time and invite us to CHURCH...but not one not once did any of them tell me anything at all about Jesus or His love for me.

So Jesus came HIMSELF praise be to God! Then He baptized me in the Holy Spirit and at the same time gave me the gift of tongues. I'm beyond grateful that the good shepherd came for me. I owe all my very being to Him... Not to some denomination.

It seems like when a person is saved under a certain denomination they cleave to it rather than putting God first place. That's why I grow more thankful every day that Jesus saw fit in his wisdom to come get me Himself.

He saw that there was no man, and wondered that there was no one to intercede; then his own arm brought him salvation, and his righteousness upheld him. He put on righteousness as a breastplate, and a helmet of salvation on his head; he put on garments of vengeance for clothing, and wrapped himself in zeal as a cloak.
Isaiah 59:16*-‬17 ESV

I'm going to post a dream the Lord gave me about the deceit, coldness and deadness found in many of the pharisaical denominations that are ruled by the dictates of religion rather than the wonderful liberty of the Holy Spirit. The Ceramic Lamb is the dream.

Following are many scriptures pertaining to the baptism of the Holy Spirit and the gift of tongues. They are self evident to an honest hearted person. The Intercessory prayer call shown in the Scriptures of Job chapter 32:18-20 are experienced by many that don't realize they are a call to prayer in the spirit until the call is complete.


Baptism in the Holy Spirit and the gift of tongues


Job 29:21 — Job 29:23 (NKJV)
“Men listened to me and waited,
And kept silence for my counsel.
After my words they did not speak again,
And my speech settled on them as dew.
They waited for me as for the rain,
And they opened their mouth wide as for the spring rain.

Intercessory prayer in the spirit


Job 32:18 — Job 32:20 (NKJV)
For I am full of words;
The spirit within me compels me.
Indeed my belly is like wine that has no vent;
It is ready to burst like new wineskins.
I will speak, that I may find relief;
I must open my lips and answer.


Isaiah 28:11-12 KJVS
For with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to this people.
[12] To whom he said, This is the rest wherewith ye may cause the weary to rest; and this is the refreshing: yet they would not hear.

Zephaniah 3:9 KJVS
For then will I turn to the people a pure language, that they may all call upon the name of the Lord , to serve him with one consent.

Mark 16:17 KJVS
And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;

Acts 1:8 KJVS
But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.

Acts 2:1-4 KJVS
And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place.
[2] And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting.
[3] And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them.
[4] And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.


Acts 19:1-7 KJVS
And it came to pass, that, while Apollos was at Corinth, Paul having passed through the upper coasts came to Ephesus: and finding certain disciples,
[2] He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost SINCE ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost.
[3] And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism. [4] Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.
[5] When they heard this , they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
[6] And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.
[7] And all the men were about twelve.

1 Corinthians 12:7-11 KJVS
But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal. [8] For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit;
[9] To another faith by the same Spirit; to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit;
[10] To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues:
[11] But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as he will.


Pursue love, and earnestly desire the spiritual gifts, especially that you may prophesy. For one who speaks in a tongue speaks not to men but to God; for no one understands him, but he utters mysteries in the Spirit. On the other hand, the one who prophesies speaks to people for their upbuilding and encouragement and consolation. The one who speaks in a tongue builds up himself, but the one who prophesies builds up the church. Now I want you all to speak in tongues, but even more to prophesy. The one who prophesies is greater than the one who speaks in tongues, unless someone interprets, so that the church may be built up. I thank God that I speak in tongues more than all of you. Nevertheless, in church I would rather speak five words with my mind in order to instruct others, than ten thousand words in a tongue. So, my brothers, earnestly desire to prophesy, and DO NOT FORBID speaking in tongues.
1 Corinthians 14:1*-‬5*, ‬18*-‬19*, ‬39 ESV

praying at all times in the Spirit, with all prayer and supplication. To that end, keep alert with all perseverance, making supplication for all the saints,
Ephesians 6:18 ESV


Jude 1:20 (NKJV)
But you, beloved, building yourselves up on your most holy faith, praying in the Holy Spirit;

 

[dcontroversal]

I'm always amazed at the mockery that appears whenever the baptism of the Holy Spirit and His gifts are discussed. Those that know nothing about it set themselves as experts. God's gifts and calling are without repentance (withdrawal that is) The Lord says about His works;

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I always stand amazed at the people who chunk the words cease, vanish away and fail.......................

 

[shrume]

I always stand amazed at the people who chunk the words cease, vanish away and fail.......................

It would help if you understood what "when that which is perfect is come" meant.

 

[dcontroversal]

It would help if you understood what "when that which is perfect is come" meant.

I know that JESUS is not a THAT which indicates SOMETHING.......and the funny thing....THE only CHURCH to have an issue and that needed to be CORRECTED was the IMMATURE Corinthian assembly which had some 15 errors....so......what logically deduced conclusions can I make concerning the verbiage given (compared) with other things that PAUL SAID.......??

But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away

perfect-->τέλειον

teleios: having reached its end, i.e. complete, by ext. perfect​

Original Word: τέλειος, α, ον
Part of Speech: Adjective
Transliteration: teleios
Phonetic Spelling: (tel'-i-os)
Short Definition: perfect, full-grown
Definition:perfect, (a) complete in all its parts, (b) full grown, of full age, (c) specially of the completeness of Christian character

 

[shrume]

I know that JESUS is not a THAT which indicates SOMETHING

Agreed!: "that" is not referring to Jesus Christ.

I believe "that which is perfect" refers to the New Jerusalem that will descend to earth when the new heaven and earth get here (Rev 21:2ff). The city "whose builder and maker is God." (Heb 11:10).

I do not believe it refers to "the completed canon of scripture" as so many do (particularly cessationists).

.......and the funny thing....THE only CHURCH to have an issue and that needed to be CORRECTED was the IMMATURE Corinthian assembly which had some 15 errors

Yes, the church at Corinth had many problems.

1 Corinthians is the only record we have where Paul corrects the church on the operation of the manifestations of Holy Spirit.

I believe that the knowledge, use, and practice of the manifestations was so well known and commonplace in the first century church that nothing needed to be said to the churches at Rome, Galatia, Ephesus, etc.

....so......what logically deduced conclusions can I make concerning the verbiage given (compared) with other things that PAUL SAID.......??

But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away

perfect-->τέλειον

teleios: having reached its end, i.e. complete, by ext. perfect​

Original Word: τέλειος, α, ον
Part of Speech: Adjective
Transliteration: teleios
Phonetic Spelling: (tel'-i-os)
Short Definition: perfect, full-grown
Definition:perfect, (a) complete in all its parts, (b) full grown, of full age, (c) specially of the completeness of Christian character

Teleios is applied to both people and things. New Jerusalem will be "the completeness".

I do not believe the manifestations of the Holy Spirit have ceased. I believe they are just as applicable to the church today as they were ~2000 years ago. But for the most part they are ignored, forgotten about, and written off as having "ceased".

 

[Enow]

Tongues can be either a language of men or of angels (1 Cor 13:1).

Since tongues are manifested by the Holy Spirit, what business does God have to use tongues for speaking unto angels?

He never had to speak that way to angels before Pentecost. So why now?

Imaginary scene not happening in Heaven..... an angel looking down on the earth, and hearing shrume speak in tongues in his angelic language. Then the angel in Heaven looked up at God sitting on the throne and said.. "Why are you speaking through shrume on earth to me in Heaven? I am right here."

"I was bored"....could be one response...

"I am trying a new service, but it doesn't provide a good reception as it does coming straight from me"... could be another...

"I am having trouble getting your attention and so I had thought I would try it this way..." .. may be one

"I'm just messing with you just to see if you were paying attention..." may be another.

But since it is all imaginary as it cannot be happening in Heaven.....I do believe you are misreading Paul's words again.

 

[Enow]

Thanks go out to JoDel, Issachar92, & 88 for voting in the survey.

 

[shrume]

Since tongues are manifested by the Holy Spirit, what business does God have to use tongues for speaking unto angels?

He doesn't. Tongues is speaking TO God (1 Cor 14:2, 28).

He never had to speak that way to angels before Pentecost. So why now?

Imaginary scene not happening in Heaven..... an angel looking down on the earth, and hearing shrume speak in tongues in his angelic language. Then the angel in Heaven looked up at God sitting on the throne and said.. "Why are you speaking through shrume on earth to me in Heaven? I am right here."

"I was bored"....could be one response...

"I am trying a new service, but it doesn't provide a good reception as it does coming straight from me"... could be another...

"I am having trouble getting your attention and so I had thought I would try it this way..." .. may be one

"I'm just messing with you just to see if you were paying attention..." may be another.

But since it is all imaginary as it cannot be happening in Heaven.....I do believe you are misreading Paul's words again.

Your total ignorance as to what tongues is persists.

 

[plainguy]

Tongues can be either a language of men or of angels (1 Cor 13:1).

In Galatians 1:8 we read ... 8 But though we, or an angel from heaven preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.

Using the same burden of proof used for angelic languages, we can safely claim that angels are preaching the gospel today as well. Let's pray and hope that it's in a language we understand.

 

[Enow]

He doesn't. Tongues is speaking TO God (1 Cor 14:2, 28).

Your total ignorance as to what tongues is persists.

Hmm... then why not speak in English to God if the Holy Spirit is praying to God? Then at least the tongue speaker would know what was being said in any mode of tongue and thus being fruitful to the tongue speaker all the time?

 

[FrankLee]

Having not the spirit.. Brother Jude summed it up. You can't speak God's words to the devil's advocates. You can smell the anti Christian mendacity a mile away. The disciples of Dr Sem I. Nary are barking the denominationalist anti-bible dogma. The church of the Ceramic Lamb is alive and... Not well.

Pro Holy Spirit brethren it's way past time to dust off your heels and leave the nay saying resistors of God's word behind to gnaw on each other and congratulate themselves on burrowing deeper into their unbelief.

Their hearts are not good. They follow religion and tradition rather than Jesus.

 

[Enow]

Having not the spirit.. Brother Jude summed it up. You can't speak God's words to the devil's advocates. You can smell the anti Christian mendacity a mile away. The disciples of Dr Sem I. Nary are barking the denominationalist anti-bible dogma. The church of the Ceramic Lamb is alive and... Not well.

Pro Holy Spirit brethren it's way past time to dust off your heels and leave the nay saying resistors of God's word behind to gnaw on each other and congratulate themselves on burrowing deeper into their unbelief.

Their hearts are not good. They follow religion and tradition rather than Jesus.

You mean you follow tongues as signs & wonders rather than Jesus, right? You follow a stranger's voice. Not His voice.

Those led by the Holy Spirit would not be pro Holy Spirit, but pro Jesus. He is the Bridegroom after all.

 

[shrume]

Hmm... then why not speak in English to God if the Holy Spirit is praying to God?

When a person speaks in tongues THAT PERSON is praying to God BY the spirit.

Then at least the tongue speaker would know what was being said in any mode of tongue and thus being fruitful to the tongue speaker all the time?

The point of speaking in tongues is not to understand what you are saying.

If you want to know what you are saying, pray in your known language. If you want to pray in the spirit, speak in tongues.

ALL Christians should want to speak in tongues.

1 Cor 14:
4) He that speaketh in an unknown tongue edifieth himself; but he that prophesieth edifieth the church.

1 Cor 14:
5) I would that ye all spake with tongues, but rather that ye prophesied: for greater is he that prophesieth than he that speaketh with tongues, except he interpret, that the church may receive edifying.

1 Cor 14:
2) For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.

1 Cor 14:
17) For thou verily givest thanks well, but the other is not edified.

If you want to speak in tongues out loud in the church, you must interpret, so the church can be edified (1 Cor 14:5).

 

[plainguy]

Pro Holy Spirit brethren it's way past time to dust off your heels and leave the nay saying resistors of God's word behind to gnaw on each other and congratulate themselves on burrowing deeper into their unbelief.

Their hearts are not good. They follow religion and tradition rather than Jesus.

One cannot be pro-God the Father, pro-Jesus, God's only Son and not be pro-Holy Spirit. The three are inseparable. Many of us simply don't believe that today's "tongue speakers" are speaking an angelic or heavenly language. What languages were heard at pentecost in Acts 2 ? ..... "we hear them speaking in our own native tongue wherein we were born". Can't dust that off your heels.

 

[Enow]

When a person speaks in tongues THAT PERSON is praying to God BY the spirit.

Is that intended? The small "s" in spirit at the end of your statement in the quote?

Anyway, there are some contentions here. Either the Holy Spirit is manifesting the tongues or you are. Either the Holy Spirit is praying or you are.

If you are confusing this reference below with what you are saying...

1 Corinthians 14:[SUP]12 [/SUP]Even so ye, forasmuch as ye are zealous of spiritual gifts, seek that ye may excel to the edifying of the church.[SUP]13 [/SUP]Wherefore let him that speaketh in an unknown tongue pray that he may interpret.[SUP]14 [/SUP]For if I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit prayeth, but my understanding is unfruitful.[SUP]15 [/SUP]What is it then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will pray with the understanding also: I will sing with the spirit, and I will sing with the understanding also.

That in context is about Paul instructing those that speak in tongues that they pray while they are speaking in tongues as manifested by the Holy Spirit that someone else may interpret the tongue he is saying by the Holy Spirit. It is his spirit that is praying that someone else will interpret the tongue, not the Holy Spirit. Paul is praying while speaking in tongues as manifested by the Holy Spirit that someone else will interpret the tongue so that he may understand that tongue for that tongue to be fruitful even to himself.

So while you took Paul praying in tongue as is, without taking all the other verses in context, I read it as Paul is praying for himself while he is speaking in tongues as manifested by the Holy Spirit that someone else may interpret the tongue.

Tongues was never meant to be inferred as a prayer language of the Holy Spirit's or yours.

The point of speaking in tongues is not to understand what you are saying.

If you want to know what you are saying, pray in your known language. If you want to pray in the spirit, speak in tongues.

No... Paul was not ever really teaching that. I disagree with you. aul prayed that someone else may interpret that tongue for that tongue to be understood and thus fruitful to himself as a tongue speaker.

ALL Christians should want to speak in tongues.

Why when Paul say if any are zealous for spiritual gift, to seek the gift of prophesy. you bold that part of the verse in ignoring what Paul was saying below as I underlined it for you to see for why believers are to seek the gift of prophesy.

1 Cor 14:
4) He that speaketh in an unknown tongue edifieth himself; but he that prophesieth edifieth the church.

1 Cor 14:
5) I would that ye all spake with tongues, but rather that ye prophesied: for greater is he that prophesieth than he that speaketh with tongues, except he interpret, that the church may receive edifying.

1 Cor 14:
2) For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.

1 Cor 14:
17) For thou verily givest thanks well, but the other is not edified.

If you want to speak in tongues out loud in the church, you must interpret, so the church can be edified (1 Cor 14:5).

Verse 2 & verse 17 is why Paul was telling people to seek the gift of prophesy when zealous for spiritual gifts but only the Lord can help you see that in context of what Paul is saying from verse 1.

1 Corinthians 14:1 Follow after charity, and desire spiritual gifts, but rather that ye may prophesy.

 

[CS1]

You mean you follow tongues as signs & wonders rather than Jesus, right? You follow a stranger's voice. Not His voice.

Those led by the Holy Spirit would not be pro Holy Spirit, but pro Jesus. He is the Bridegroom after all.

wow ! I would be very careful how one speaks about the Spirit of the Living God . The Holy Spirit is God and the Lord Jesus would never speak so loosely about the Holy Spirit .

Jesus in John 14 chapter and 16 speaks reverently . To be pro Holy Spirit is to be Pro God and the Lord Jesus was pro Holy Spirit . Very troubling to see such speaking about the Spirit of the Living God.

 

[Enow]

One cannot be pro-God the Father, pro-Jesus, God's only Son and not be pro-Holy Spirit. The three are inseparable.

The role of the Holy Spirit is sent to dwell within us to lead us into honoring the Son by testifying of the Son to glorify the Son, and thereby honoring & glorifying God the Father. There is no other way to be His disciples in honoring God as led by the Spirit which is to be Pro Jesus aka the Bridegroom.

John 5:[SUP]22 [/SUP]For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:[SUP]23 [/SUP]That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.
John 15:[SUP]26 [/SUP]But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:[SUP]27 [/SUP]And ye also shall bear witness, because ye have been with me from the beginning.

John 16:[SUP]13 [/SUP]Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.[SUP]14 [/SUP]He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you.

Despite the hymnals and the Nicene creed that teaches to worship the Holy Spirit with the Father & the Son, God as God is only glorified by way of the Son.

John 13:[SUP]31 [/SUP]Therefore, when he was gone out, Jesus said, Now is the Son of man glorified, and God is glorified in him.[SUP]32 [/SUP]If God be glorified in him, God shall also glorify him in himself, and shall straightway glorify him.

When believers broaden the way in the worship place and worship the Trinity or the Holy Spirit directly, then seducing spirits come in with signs and wonders, causing many to believe that was the Holy Spirit since they were addressing Him in worship.

That was how the holy laughter movement went across the denomenations across the nation of USA in 1994 just as Promise Keepers' movement went across the nation into all the denomenation churches in that same year.

Why would God allow that to happen? Because they did not heed His words about how to come to God the Father in worship, fellowship, & prayer ad that is by the only way of the Son.

John 14:[SUP]6 [/SUP]Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

Did Jesus really mean that?

John 10:1Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber.

So t avoid the iniquity, strive ye to enter through the straight gate; keep your eyes on the Son in everything in coming to God the Father in anything.

Luke 13:[SUP]24 [/SUP]Strive to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able.[SUP]25 [/SUP]When once the master of the house is risen up, and hath shut to the door, and ye begin to stand without, and to knock at the door, saying, Lord, Lord, open unto us; and he shall answer and say unto you, I know you not whence ye are:[SUP]26 [/SUP]Then shall ye begin to say, We have eaten and drunk in thy presence, and thou hast taught in our streets.[SUP]27 [/SUP]But he shall say, I tell you, I know you not whence ye are; depart from me, all ye workers of iniquity.[SUP]28 [/SUP]There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when ye shall see Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, and all the prophets, in the kingdom of God, and you yourselves thrust out.[SUP]29 [/SUP]And they shall come from the east, and from the west, and from the north, and from the south, and shall sit down in the kingdom of God.

Can any believer afford to doubt His words when the repercussion is being left behind at the pre trib rapture to be received later on after the great tribulation as a vessel unto dishonor in His House for not departing from the iniquity of coming to God the Father by the broad way rather than by the only way of the Son?

Keeping our eyes on Jesus because the Bridegroom is coming soon for the abiding bride of Christ is the call to heed in these latter days where faith is hard to find..

 

[CS1]

The role of the Holy Spirit is sent to dwell within us to lead us into honoring the Son by testifying of the Son to glorify the Son, and thereby honoring & glorifying God the Father. There is no other way to be His disciples in honoring God as led by the Spirit which is to be Pro Jesus aka the Bridegroom.

John 5:[SUP]22 [/SUP]For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:[SUP]23 [/SUP]That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.
John 15:[SUP]26 [/SUP]But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:[SUP]27 [/SUP]And ye also shall bear witness, because ye have been with me from the beginning.

John 16:[SUP]13 [/SUP]Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.[SUP]14 [/SUP]He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you.

Despite the hymnals and the Nicene creed that teaches to worship the Holy Spirit with the Father & the Son, God as God is only glorified by way of the Son.

John 13:[SUP]31 [/SUP]Therefore, when he was gone out, Jesus said, Now is the Son of man glorified, and God is glorified in him.[SUP]32 [/SUP]If God be glorified in him, God shall also glorify him in himself, and shall straightway glorify him.

When believers broaden the way in the worship place and worship the Trinity or the Holy Spirit directly, then seducing spirits come in with signs and wonders, causing many to believe that was the Holy Spirit since they were addressing Him in worship.

That was how the holy laughter movement went across the denomenations across the nation of USA in 1994 just as Promise Keepers' movement went across the nation into all the denomenation churches in that same year.

Why would God allow that to happen? Because they did not heed His words about how to come to God the Father in worship, fellowship, & prayer ad that is by the only way of the Son.

John 14:[SUP]6 [/SUP]Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

Did Jesus really mean that?

John 10:1Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber.

So t avoid the iniquity, strive ye to enter through the straight gate; keep your eyes on the Son in everything in coming to God the Father in anything.

Luke 13:[SUP]24 [/SUP]Strive to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able.[SUP]25 [/SUP]When once the master of the house is risen up, and hath shut to the door, and ye begin to stand without, and to knock at the door, saying, Lord, Lord, open unto us; and he shall answer and say unto you, I know you not whence ye are:[SUP]26 [/SUP]Then shall ye begin to say, We have eaten and drunk in thy presence, and thou hast taught in our streets.[SUP]27 [/SUP]But he shall say, I tell you, I know you not whence ye are; depart from me, all ye workers of iniquity.[SUP]28 [/SUP]There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when ye shall see Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, and all the prophets, in the kingdom of God, and you yourselves thrust out.[SUP]29 [/SUP]And they shall come from the east, and from the west, and from the north, and from the south, and shall sit down in the kingdom of God.

Can any believer afford to doubt His words when the repercussion is being left behind at the pre trib rapture to be received later on after the great tribulation as a vessel unto dishonor in His House for not departing from the iniquity of coming to God the Father by the broad way rather than by the only way of the Son?

Keeping our eyes on Jesus because the Bridegroom is coming soon for the abiding bride of Christ is the call to heed in these latter days where faith is hard to find..

Originally Posted by Enow

You mean you follow tongues as signs & wonders rather than Jesus, right? You follow a stranger's voice. Not His voice.

Those led by the Holy Spirit would not be pro Holy Spirit, but pro Jesus. He is the Bridegroom after all.



wow ! I would be very careful how one speaks about the Spirit of the Living God . The Holy Spirit is God and the Lord Jesus would never speak so loosely about the Holy Spirit .

Jesus in John 14 chapter and 16 speaks reverently . To be pro Holy Spirit is to be Pro God and the Lord Jesus was pro Holy Spirit . Very troubling to see such speaking about the Spirit of the Living God.

 

[Enow]

Originally Posted by Enow

You mean you follow tongues as signs & wonders rather than Jesus, right? You follow a stranger's voice. Not His voice.

Those led by the Holy Spirit would not be pro Holy Spirit, but pro Jesus. He is the Bridegroom after all.



wow ! I would be very careful how one speaks about the Spirit of the Living God . The Holy Spirit is God and the Lord Jesus would never speak so loosely about the Holy Spirit .

I was referring to his previous testimony of wonderment in another thread when the Holy Spirit fell on him long after he had been a believer in Jesus Christ. That was when he spoke in tongue, even though he had been asking for that gift before that incident......

So I said he was following tongues as signs and wonders. That is not the same thing as following the Holy Spirit or Jesus.

Jesus in John 14 chapter and 16 speaks reverently . To be pro Holy Spirit is to be Pro God and the Lord Jesus was pro Holy Spirit . Very troubling to see such speaking about the Spirit of the Living God.

I had quoted scripture in how God the Father wants us to honor Him by... and those led by the Spirit will be doing that.

Address the scripture in the OP you had replied to if you believe I am applying them in the wrong way. I pray you will ear His words if not for the first time in how God the Father has shown His will in the only way to honor Him so as to call sinners away from their spirits and worship of spirits to come to Him by the only way of the Son in being reconciled to the Father by.