"Torah Observers" don't follow the clean meat laws

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FreeNChrist

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So many read what we write, it is so important that you and I get it correct.

We must understand that the Lord is the one who saves us, and it is not our doing that causes that, it is the grace of our Lord. So we give ourselves over to the Lord, not to our fleshly self. But as we read that it is not our work for the Lord that saves us, we must also listen to Isaiah 56, and know we are to serve the Lord, lobe Him, be His worker, keep his Shabbats, and not profane them.
We must listen to John 19:30.
 

Grandpa

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So many read what we write, it is so important that you and I get it correct.

We must understand that the Lord is the one who saves us, and it is not our doing that causes that, it is the grace of our Lord. So we give ourselves over to the Lord, not to our fleshly self. But as we read that it is not our work for the Lord that saves us, we must also listen to Isaiah 56, and know we are to serve the Lord, lobe Him, be His worker, keep his Shabbats, and not profane them.
All of your work, all of your "keeping" is over. Christianity is a brand new Way.

We are given Rest as a gift. We don't keep rests in a carnal way anymore. That's what sabbath means is rest, right?

What easier way to Love God than to be given all these priceless gifts? Salvation, Obedience, Rest... etc

Matthew 11:28 [FONT=&quot]Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.

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Ezekiel 36:27 [FONT=&quot]And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.


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You won't understand anything of Torah, of the law, until you come to Christ and receive Rest and understanding and Wisdom. Whenever you go back to your own understanding of what you need to work at, or "keep", it shows a lack of understanding of what the Work of Christ actually is.

Romans 7:4 [FONT=&quot]Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.[/FONT]
 

Grandpa

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Does it bother you that although you have been irrefutable evidence that you are wrong on these verses you still keep putting them out?
Well, no, I completely understand your predicament. I just wondered if you did.

I completely agree that Torah is impossible to keep. Just for different reasons than you.
 

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All of your work, all of your "keeping" is over. Christianity is a brand new Way.

We are given Rest as a gift. We don't keep rests in a carnal way anymore. That's what sabbath means is rest, right?

What easier way to Love God than to be given all these priceless gifts? Salvation, Obedience, Rest... etc

Matthew 11:28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.

Ezekiel 36:27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.

You won't understand anything of Torah, of the law, until you come to Christ and receive Rest and understanding and Wisdom. Whenever you go back to your own understanding of what you need to work at, or "keep", it shows a lack of understanding of what the Work of Christ actually is.

Romans 7:4 Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.
When the Lord tells us we are dead to the law, that the law cannot cause our death because we live through Christ, can you truly believe that means God means for us to ignore anything we are told about obedience?
 

KohenMatt

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I'm not taking the time to read through the whole thread, so forgive me if I'm saying something that has already been said.....

Eating clean foods isn't as difficult as people make it out to be. Much like the Pharisees did, people like to add all sorts of extra rules and hoops to jump through to set such a high standard that they can then say it's impossible to keep.

Scripture clearly defines what is clean and unclean. That is simple enough. However,

The article references Lev 11:32-35 and says, "It is abundantly clear that any “clean” food that comes in contact with a grill, an oven, a pot, a utensil, or a stove that has ever had an “unclean” carcass on it, the so-called “clean” animal has become as tameh (as “unclean”) as if it was pork or shrimp or snake! This is the very law of Leviticus and it is without dispute:"

So, it is with dispute because he says in the next paragraph, "They say Leviticus 11:32–35 (about an unclean carcass coming onto an oven, a pot, etc.)"

This passage of Leviticus is in fact talking about unclean animals that touch these items. Not any and all animals

Interestingly enough, one part of the whole clean and unclean discussion in Leviticus 11 that gets overlooked is the difference between water from a spring and water in a cistern (verse 36.) Water from a spring is constantly in motion and taking away any impurities in the water. A cistern contains stagnant water. Moving water cleanses. Stagnant water does not. When you wash items with running water, they can be cleansed.

Again, eating "kosher" isn't as hard as some think it is, especially when you pay attention, especially when you consider that the large majority of food we eat is at home and not a restaurant.
 

KohenMatt

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As an aside....

What happens if you do unintentionally eat something unclean?
Recognize it, ask for forgiveness, be cleaned, learn from it and move on.
 

Grandpa

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When the Lord tells us we are dead to the law, that the law cannot cause our death because we live through Christ, can you truly believe that means God means for us to ignore anything we are told about obedience?
If you are dead to something what exactly does that mean? Does it mean continue to work at it as though you weren't dead to it?

No. It means it no longer exists for you. You are dead to it.

Why? Because your work at the law has nothing to do with obedience. Otherwise you wouldn't be told to be dead to those works so you could be alive to God.

Galatians 2:19
[FONT=&quot]19 For I through the law am dead to the law, that I might live unto God.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]20 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.[/FONT]