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rillolion

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He doesn't mean self righteousness as you put it...he was referring to the thousands of commands added to the law....

Study Hebrew and the church history.
 
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I cannot say. "I can steal now because im in Christ"....as I obey his commands his law...I submit then I am in Christ....through his spirit...I have the power to obey what I could not without him.
Christ's literal commands go far further than that:

He said:
Do not invite friends and family home for a meal, but rather the blind, lame and poor, for although they cannot repay you, you will receive your reward in Heaven
 
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He doesn't mean self righteousness as you put it...he was referring to the thousands of commands added to the law....

Study Hebrew and the church history.
The legalistic laws would not be so hard to keep, it is the ones that relate to the inward man that is much harder
 
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Look Paul/Shaul was taught in both worlds Greek/Hebrew. Do you think his knowledge of Greek thought coupled with the wisdom of the Holy Spirit was insufficient to communicate God's truth to us poor Gentiles deprived of the Hebrew language?
I was enmeshed with the Messianic movement for awhile. Be careful it is riddled with legalistic potholes.
Amen to that!
 
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wdeaton65

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Wow this is great I see that some of the brothers have been redeeming the time cool. We read in Galatians 5: 16-26 He makes a list of things people are making a life style of and they will not inherit the kingdom of God! When we read things in the new Testament or better stated the TRUE TESTAMENT we must allways make sure we understand what we are being taught lines up with the Word of God! My point is to say that if something happened and God did not tell us in the old Testament that would seem to say that God got caught off gaurd. God does nothing without telling His prophets Amos 3;7. We are trully free in Christ this is true the freedom is to not walk in the flesh that is the point. Brothers the Holy Spirit is called Holy because He is HOLY!! I have a challenge for anyone. What is truth Yeshua says He is. The following is something I was taught by Chuck Missler who I fell is a great teacher. What makes Missler such a great teacher is this He knows He doesnt have everything perfect and is learning more and more every day. What He taught me is that Luke 16; 19-31 can not be a parable because Yeshua uses the name Lazarus He never uses names in any of His parables so this was an real event. Here is the thing I went to meet an elder of a church and as I was getting out of my car I heard a small still voice in me say John 10;3 Lazarus was one of my sheep I call my sheep by thier names the rich man was just another man I did not know Mat. 7;23 I was never taught this understanding from some man. If anyone out there has been taught this before please let me know thanks. How do we know if something is from God it can not be disproved. Truth is not what I say it is or you. Only what we can prove through His Word!! Blessings
 
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Wow this is great I see that some of the brothers have been redeeming the time cool.

. . .He taught me is that Luke 16; 19-31 can not be a parable because Yeshua uses the name Lazarus. He never uses names in any of His parables so this was an real event.
That's good to know.

That means that the agony of fire (Lk 16:24) is also real, and not parabolic.
 
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God is eternal, God does not change. From the book of Malachi to the gospels, there was no change in God, except that God sent His Son to complete a plan God had for us. That plan includes the need for us to be forgiven of our sins that keep us from living a triumphant full life here and after we leave this life.

God had made partial atonement for sin available through symbolizing the blood of Christ by the blood of animals. God often uses the physical to reflect and teach the spiritual. People followed the physical at the temple, but they couldn't really understand the spiritual side of what they were doing. Through the gospel (Christ) we can understand more fully. Our understanding is still lacking. God gave us the epistles to try to clear it up for us, but for lots of people they only
mix them up more.

The Torah, the Ten Commandments, and what the feasts teach has not been done away with at all. They tell us about God, things we have to know. All the laws given in the Torah are based on the absolute love God has for His Creation, on their having a safe, plentiful world to live in while we are here. People often used doing these things as enough, and through Christ we learn that you can go through the
physical motions without any of the love that must be in all. As the epistles try to teach this, people say the motions are done away with. We are to know that God looks at our hearts, not the motions. Some people still use the motions to learn of God by, or to remind them of what God wants of them.
 
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Laodicea

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Christ's literal commands go far further than that:

He said:
Do not invite friends and family home for a meal, but rather the blind, lame and poor, for although they cannot repay you, you will receive your reward in Heaven
Everything Jesus said was in accordance with the Law, consider this verse
Leviticus 25:35 KJV
(35) And if thy brother be waxen poor, and fallen in decay with thee; then thou shalt relieve him: yea, though he be a stranger, or a sojourner; that he may live with thee.
 
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Laodicea

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The 10 commandments have always been there as can be seen in the book of Genesis, while the 7 feasts were added later and were to point to Christ and His work of redemption. Jesus death put an end to the ceremonial feasts that is why we do not keep them. Since they pointed to Christ then to keep the would be to say that Christ has not come yet.

The 10 commandments were here before the ceremonial feasts and Christ redeemed us from the curse of the Law which is death. We are saved by grace through faith and the fruit of that is holiness. Keeping the Law is a result of Christ in us not a means of salvation.

Romans 6:22 KJV
(22) But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life.
Romans 3:31 KJV
(31) Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.


 

Grandpa

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Galatians 3:23-27
[SUP]23 [/SUP]But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.
[SUP]24 [/SUP]Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
[SUP]25 [/SUP]But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
[SUP]26[/SUP]For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
[SUP]27 [/SUP]For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

If we are Christians we are not under Law, but under His Grace.

Romans 6:14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.