Two Genesis Questions: Bread and Light

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Ok, I have two questions from a study in Genesis. We were discussing creation and Adam and Eve in our Wednesday bible study and as we were reading, two things came to my attention.

1 - Genesis 1:3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light. (first day)

Now, knowing that God didn't create the sun and moon until the 4th day, this light would not be the sun. However, it could be the Son! I was thinking about the passage in Revelation 22:5 And there shall be no night there; and they need no candle, neither light of the sun; for the Lord God giveth them light: and they shall reign for ever and ever. Could it be then, that when God created light on day one, he illuminated himself? That this same light would be the light in the new heaven and earth?

2 - Genesis 3:19 In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.

Now in this one, the "shalt thou eat bread" came to my attention. Well, up to the point where that jumped out, I assumed that Adam and Eve pretty much ate raw foods, fruit, nuts, etc. The way that statement reads to me however is that they ate bread before but didn't need to cook it. If it is talking about bread as we know it, mixing grain, water, and some binding agent, and not just a generic term for food in general, what bread did they eat before? I was wondering, could it have been the same as the manna sent to Moses and the Israelites in the desert in Exodus 16?

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masdec77 said:
Ok, I have two questions from a study in Genesis. We were discussing creation and Adam and Eve in our Wednesday bible study and as we were reading, two things came to my attention.

1 - Genesis 1:3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light. (first day)

Now, knowing that God didn't create the sun and moon until the 4th day, this light would not be the sun. However, it could be the Son! I was thinking about the passage in Revelation 22:5 And there shall be no night there; and they need no candle, neither light of the sun; for the Lord God giveth them light: and they shall reign for ever and ever. Could it be then, that when God created light on day one, he illuminated himself? That this same light would be the light in the new heaven and earth?

2 - Genesis 3:19 In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.

Now in this one, the "shalt thou eat bread" came to my attention. Well, up to the point where that jumped out, I assumed that Adam and Eve pretty much ate raw foods, fruit, nuts, etc. The way that statement reads to me however is that they ate bread before but didn't need to cook it. If it is talking about bread as we know it, mixing grain, water, and some binding agent, and not just a generic term for food in general, what bread did they eat before? I was wondering, could it have been the same as the manna sent to Moses and the Israelites in the desert in Exodus 16?

Thoughts?
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John 1:4In him was life, and that life was the light of all mankind.

2 Corinthians 4:18So we fix our eyes not on what is seen, but on what is unseen, since what is seen is temporary, but what is unseen is eternal.


The human body literally glows, emitting a visible light in extremely small quantities at levels that rise and fall with the day, scientists now reveal.

Past research has shown that the body emits visible light, 1,000 times less intense than the levels to which our naked eyes are sensitive. In fact, virtually all living creatures emit very weak light, which is thought to be a byproduct of biochemical reactions involving free radicals.

(This visible light differs from the infrared radiation — an invisible form of light — that comes from body heat.)
Strange! Humans Glow in Visible Light | LiveScience
 
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You could argue that, but at that point, there was no living creature other than God.
 
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Before life was void, nothing, but darkness. when God said let there be light, Perhaps he was saying, let there be light from himself, to start the process of life, as he was the light. his glory? hence he is the alpha, meaning the beginning. And then he seperated Night and day. Hence the sun gave the light as we know. and the stars at night give little light.

about the bread thing? Hmmm Got me thinking. I look into that myself.
 
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You could argue that, but at that point, there was no living creature other than God.
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Genesis 1:26Then God said, “Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness, so that they may rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky, over the livestock and all the wild animals, and over all the creatures that move along the ground.”

John 1:1[ The Word Became Flesh ] In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

John 10:30I and the Father are one.”
 
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masdec77 said:
Ok, I have two questions from a study in Genesis. We were discussing creation and Adam and Eve in our Wednesday bible study and as we were reading, two things came to my attention.

1 - Genesis 1:3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light. (first day)

Now, knowing that God didn't create the sun and moon until the 4th day, this light would not be the sun. However, it could be the Son!No. It could not be the Son because, as John 1:1 says, the Word (which is Jesus, the Son) was with God and WAS GOD. I was thinking about the passage in Revelation 22:5 And there shall be no night there; and they need no candle, neither light of the sun; for the Lord God giveth them light: and they shall reign for ever and ever. Could it be then, that when God created light on day one, he illuminated himself? That this same light would be the light in the new heaven and earth? God IS Light. That He created light is to also say that He created a difference between Spiritual Light and Darkness. This verse refers to spiritual light and darkness, not physical light and darkness as we humans SEE it.

2 - Genesis 3:19 In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.

Now in this one, the "shalt thou eat bread" came to my attention. Well, up to the point where that jumped out, I assumed that Adam and Eve pretty much ate raw foods, fruit, nuts, etc. The way that statement reads to me however is that they ate bread before but didn't need to cook it. If it is talking about bread as we know it, mixing grain, water, and some binding agent, and not just a generic term for food in general, what bread did they eat before? I was wondering, could it have been the same as the manna sent to Moses and the Israelites in the desert in Exodus 16? No. Manna was given to man only one time, during the trek from Egypt to the Land of Promise, during that 40 year trip. 'Bread' refers to all food and God was telling them that no longer would it be available just for the picking, but that they would have to toil...work for their supper. At that time, they did eat only fruits and veggies...it was all raw even when they worked the ground for it. A through study of scripture would be necessary to find out just 'when' bread was first 'baked'. Use your concordance and look for the word 'oven'.
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Well, why do you assume that "light" is only produced by the Sun?

Would you agree with me in that "light" is in fact electromagnetic radiation transmitted in the form of wave energy?

When God created "light," He was actually creating radiation energy, which exists throughout the Universe to this day. Light is not limited to the Sun. :)
 
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BTW, remember the Light Spectrum from those High School days: Ultraviolet light, Infrared Light and so forth? God created all kinds of cool light waves, which Earth's atmosphere filters accordingly. Earth receives radiation light from outer space too, not only from the Sun. :)




 

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masdec77 said:
Ok, I have two questions from a study in Genesis. We were discussing creation and Adam and Eve in our Wednesday bible study and as we were reading, two things came to my attention.

1 - Genesis 1:3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light. (first day)

Now, knowing that God didn't create the sun and moon until the 4th day, this light would not be the sun. However, it could be the Son! I was thinking about the passage in Revelation 22:5 And there shall be no night there; and they need no candle, neither light of the sun; for the Lord God giveth them light: and they shall reign for ever and ever. Could it be then, that when God created light on day one, he illuminated himself? That this same light would be the light in the new heaven and earth?

2 - Genesis 3:19 In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.

Now in this one, the "shalt thou eat bread" came to my attention. Well, up to the point where that jumped out, I assumed that Adam and Eve pretty much ate raw foods, fruit, nuts, etc. The way that statement reads to me however is that they ate bread before but didn't need to cook it. If it is talking about bread as we know it, mixing grain, water, and some binding agent, and not just a generic term for food in general, what bread did they eat before? I was wondering, could it have been the same as the manna sent to Moses and the Israelites in the desert in Exodus 16?

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The Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters,
and the very next thing that happened was that they were lit up.
I believe it was God Himself who was that Light.

Concerning bread, I've thought about this a lot.
Bread, by definition, is baked.
Apparently, original man used fire and cooked some of his food.
 
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Would you agree with me in that "light" is in fact electromagnetic radiation transmitted in the form of wave energy?
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Disagree.
Light is the small visible portion at the center of the electromagnetic spectrum.
 
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Disagree.
Light is the small visible portion at the center of the electromagnetic spectrum.
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Well, what do you call the illumination radiation (radioactive matter) makes? Have you seen "neon lights"? Neon is a colorless gas, how then can Neon produce light?

If it's not "light," then what is it? BTW, some animals and some insects don't see "visible light," which humans can see. These animals see light outside the "visible" spectrum.
 
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MaggieMye said:
'Bread' refers to all food...
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Wrong.
See Genesis 1:29.
That word would be "meat".

MaggieMye said:
A through study of scripture would be necessary to find out just 'when' bread was first 'baked'. Use your concordance and look for the word 'oven'.
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Wrong again.
Tubal-Cain was a metal smith, and probably not the first one.
They obviously has use of fire and could've baked food if they wanted.
 
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BananaPie said:
Well, what do you call the illumination radiation (radioactive matter) makes? Have you seen "neon lights"? Neon is a colorless gas, how then can Neon produce light?

If it's not "light," then what is it? BTW, some animals and some insects don't see "visible light," which humans can see. These animals see light outside the "visible" spectrum.
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So you're saying that radio waves and x-rays are "light"?
 
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