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You're entitled to think what you like. But the troll meme was out of place.
If it was out of place I apologize.

I deal with a lot of trolling.
 
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So I looked at your link and find it has two posts. I follow them it to Facebook and there is pretty much nothing there. See this is what I mean about facts.

ISIS Is an American Plot to Destabilize the Region, says Iran

Bloggers: Edward Snowden leaked NSA documents show U.S., Israel created Islamic State | PunditFact




"The only lucid defense of the idea that Western intelligence agencies created the Islamic State intentionally comes from the Center for Research on Globalization (CRG), a Canadian website that bills itself as an alternative news source, but has advanced specious conspiracy theories on topics like 9/11, vaccines and global warming."

In other words they are a false news,conspiracy theory site. What they have said has been debunked by facts.




You're entitled to your opinion, definitely.

Why is my antivirus throwing this site out as a security threat? It won't load... Very strange.
 
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I really could acre less who supports them....they in the past have made the same mistake over and over again...does not change the fact that there is a remnant that will be brought into the land, prospered, and their sin does not in any way shape or form disannul the agreement and covenant that god has made with the Apple of His eye.....they will pay for their current sin dia the Great tribulation, will be whittled down and the remnant will acknowledge JESUS.....any who say that they have stolen the land are ignorant.....YOU cannot steal what you have already been given freely.........going to be a few pay for their anti-Israel stance.....I suppose God seeks to destroy ALL nations that meddle with JERUSALEM because is it not actually the CAPITAL of ISRAEL and belongs unto the SON OF DAVID who will rule as the LION of JUDAH on the throne of HIS FATHER DAVID.....

SUCH ignorance and insolence will be met with heat from GOD!
The expression "Apple of his eye" is used 5 times in the KJV and refers to variously:

1) King David referring to himself (Psalm 17:8)
2) The Law (Proverbs 7:2)
3) The inhabitants of Jerusalem referring to themselves (Lamentations 2:18)
4) Jerusalem and her inhabitants (Zechariah 2:8)
5) The people of Israel (Deuteronomy 32:10)

In the instance that it refers to the people of Israel, the Israelites, God says:

Deuteronomy 32


.....5 They have corrupted themselves, their spot is not the spot of his children: they are a perverse and crooked generation.
6 Do ye thus requite the Lord, O foolish people and unwise? is not he thy father that hath bought thee? hath he not made thee, and established thee?
7 Remember the days of old, consider the years of many generations: ask thy father, and he will shew thee; thy elders, and they will tell thee.
8 When the Most High divided to the nations their inheritance, when he separated the sons of Adam, he set the bounds of the people according to the number of the children of Israel.
9 For the Lord's portion is his people; Jacob is the lot of his inheritance.
10 He found him in a desert land, and in the waste howling wilderness; he led him about, he instructed him, he kept him as the apple of his eye.
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15 But Jeshurun waxed fat, and kicked: thou art waxen fat, thou art grown thick, thou art covered with fatness; then he forsook God which made him, and lightly esteemed the Rock of his salvation.
16 They provoked him to jealousy with strange gods, with abominations provoked they him to anger.
17 They sacrificed unto devils, not to God; to gods whom they knew not, to new gods that came newly up, whom your fathers feared not.
18 Of the Rock that begat thee thou art unmindful, and hast forgotten God that formed thee.
19 And when the Lord saw it, he abhorred them, because of the provoking of his sons, and of his daughters.
20 And he said, I will hide my face from them, I will see what their end shall be: for they are a very froward generation, children in whom is no faith.
21 They have moved me to jealousy with that which is not God; they have provoked me to anger with their vanities: and I will move them to jealousy with those which are not a people; I will provoke them to anger with a foolish nation.
22 For a fire is kindled in mine anger, and shall burn unto the lowest hell, and shall consume the earth with her increase, and set on fire the foundations of the mountains.
23 I will heap mischiefs upon them; I will spend mine arrows upon them.
24 They shall be burnt with hunger, and devoured with burning heat, and with bitter destruction: I will also send the teeth of beasts upon them, with the poison of serpents of the dust.
25 The sword without, and terror within, shall destroy both the young man and the virgin, the suckling also with the man of gray hairs.
26 I said, I would scatter them into corners, I would make the remembrance of them to cease from among men:
27 Were it not that I feared the wrath of the enemy, lest their adversaries should behave themselves strangely, and lest they should say, Our hand is high, and the Lord hath not done all this.
28 For they are a nation void of counsel, neither is there any understanding in them.
29 O that they were wise, that they understood this, that they would consider their latter end!
30 How should one chase a thousand, and two put ten thousand to flight, except their Rock had sold them, and the Lord had shut them up?
31 For their rock is not as our Rock, even our enemies themselves being judges.
32 For their vine is of the vine of Sodom, and of the fields of Gomorrah: their grapes are grapes of gall, their clusters are bitter:
33 Their wine is the poison of dragons, and the cruel venom of asps.
34 Is not this laid up in store with me, and sealed up among my treasures?
35 To me belongeth vengeance and recompence; their foot shall slide in due time: for the day of their calamity is at hand, and the things that shall come upon them make haste.
36 For the Lord shall judge his people, and repent himself for his servants, when he seeth that their power is gone, and there is none shut up, or left.
37 And he shall say, Where are their gods, their rock in whom they trusted,
38 Which did eat the fat of their sacrifices, and drank the wine of their drink offerings? let them rise up and help you, and be your protection.
39 See now that I, even I, am he, and there is no god with me: I kill, and I make alive; I wound, and I heal: neither is there any that can deliver out of my hand.
40 For I lift up my hand to heaven, and say, I live for ever.
41 If I whet my glittering sword, and mine hand take hold on judgment; I will render vengeance to mine enemies, and will reward them that hate me.
42 I will make mine arrows drunk with blood, and my sword shall devour flesh; and that with the blood of the slain and of the captives, from the beginning of revenges upon the enemy.
43 Rejoice, O ye nations, with his people: for he will avenge the blood of his servants, and will render vengeance to his adversaries, and will be merciful unto his land, and to his people.
44 And Moses came and spake all the words of this song in the ears of the people, he, and Hoshea the son of Nun.
45 And Moses made an end of speaking all these words to all Israel:
46 And he said unto them, Set your hearts unto all the words which I testify among you this day, which ye shall command your children to observe to do, all the words of this law.
47 For it is not a vain thing for you; because it is your life: and through this thing ye shall prolong your days in the land, whither ye go over Jordan to possess it.
48 And the Lord spake unto Moses that selfsame day, saying,
49 Get thee up into this mountain Abarim, unto mount Nebo, which is in the land of Moab, that is over against Jericho; and behold the land of Canaan, which I give unto the children of Israel for a possession:
50 And die in the mount whither thou goest up, and be gathered unto thy people; as Aaron thy brother died in mount Hor, and was gathered unto his people:
51 Because ye trespassed against me among the children of Israel at the waters of MeribahKadesh, in the wilderness of Zin; because ye sanctified me not in the midst of the children of Israel.
52 Yet thou shalt see the land before thee; but thou shalt not go thither unto the land which I give the children of Israel.


That is the apple of God's eye - God's adversaries who he promised to destroy.

Verse 47 I am afraid is the final nail in the coffin for the Zionists. Possession of the Land was CONDITIONAL on obedience to the law. Read it and weep and howl.



 

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[h=2]UN vote What does it mean[/h]
Id like to get some opinion's on the resent vote the UN had concerning the West Bank. What's Next ?​
There are those who support the present political nation of Israel because they believe (erroneously) that the Bible says that present day political Israel is the nation God is favoring in an end times scenario. I do not believe the Bible says that in such a way. Rather, the end time prophecies pertaining to Israel are about spiritual Israel, true believers in Christ anywhere on the globe, both Jew and Gentile. The error of seeing the end times scenario as depicting politcal Israel is largely due to the fact that many people have a surface interpretation of the Bible. However, the Bible's own confession is that it is written in parable form (Psalm 78:1-2, Mark 4:34) a fact that many persons have not accepted, though it is true.
 
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If it was out of place I apologize.

I deal with a lot of trolling.
Well hey,Im far from the best lookin person, but Im not a live under a bridge bad lookin...I hope.
 
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You're entitled to your opinion, definitely.

Why is my antivirus throwing this site out as a security threat? It won't load... Very strange.
Hummm not sure,I hope you didnt get anything. I have a brand new pc and got no warning. That is strange.
 
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We know KJV is big on conspiracy theories. Its no good to try to change the mind of a Holocaust denier.If you deny history then you live in your own special little bubble of denial. The rest of the world knows history. Only those with anti-semetic beliefs deny the Holocaust.
 
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The expression "Apple of his eye" is used 5 times in the KJV and refers to variously:

1) King David referring to himself (Psalm 17:8)
2) The Law (Proverbs 7:2)
3) The inhabitants of Jerusalem referring to themselves (Lamentations 2:18)
4) Jerusalem and her inhabitants (Zechariah 2:8)
5) The people of Israel (Deuteronomy 32:10)

In the instance that it refers to the people of Israel, the Israelites, God says:

Deuteronomy 32


.....5 They have corrupted themselves, their spot is not the spot of his children: they are a perverse and crooked generation.
6 Do ye thus requite the Lord, O foolish people and unwise? is not he thy father that hath bought thee? hath he not made thee, and established thee?
7 Remember the days of old, consider the years of many generations: ask thy father, and he will shew thee; thy elders, and they will tell thee.
8 When the Most High divided to the nations their inheritance, when he separated the sons of Adam, he set the bounds of the people according to the number of the children of Israel.
9 For the Lord's portion is his people; Jacob is the lot of his inheritance.
10 He found him in a desert land, and in the waste howling wilderness; he led him about, he instructed him, he kept him as the apple of his eye.
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15 But Jeshurun waxed fat, and kicked: thou art waxen fat, thou art grown thick, thou art covered with fatness; then he forsook God which made him, and lightly esteemed the Rock of his salvation.
16 They provoked him to jealousy with strange gods, with abominations provoked they him to anger.
17 They sacrificed unto devils, not to God; to gods whom they knew not, to new gods that came newly up, whom your fathers feared not.
18 Of the Rock that begat thee thou art unmindful, and hast forgotten God that formed thee.
19 And when the Lord saw it, he abhorred them, because of the provoking of his sons, and of his daughters.
20 And he said, I will hide my face from them, I will see what their end shall be: for they are a very froward generation, children in whom is no faith.
21 They have moved me to jealousy with that which is not God; they have provoked me to anger with their vanities: and I will move them to jealousy with those which are not a people; I will provoke them to anger with a foolish nation.
22 For a fire is kindled in mine anger, and shall burn unto the lowest hell, and shall consume the earth with her increase, and set on fire the foundations of the mountains.
23 I will heap mischiefs upon them; I will spend mine arrows upon them.
24 They shall be burnt with hunger, and devoured with burning heat, and with bitter destruction: I will also send the teeth of beasts upon them, with the poison of serpents of the dust.
25 The sword without, and terror within, shall destroy both the young man and the virgin, the suckling also with the man of gray hairs.
26 I said, I would scatter them into corners, I would make the remembrance of them to cease from among men:
27 Were it not that I feared the wrath of the enemy, lest their adversaries should behave themselves strangely, and lest they should say, Our hand is high, and the Lord hath not done all this.
28 For they are a nation void of counsel, neither is there any understanding in them.
29 O that they were wise, that they understood this, that they would consider their latter end!
30 How should one chase a thousand, and two put ten thousand to flight, except their Rock had sold them, and the Lord had shut them up?
31 For their rock is not as our Rock, even our enemies themselves being judges.
32 For their vine is of the vine of Sodom, and of the fields of Gomorrah: their grapes are grapes of gall, their clusters are bitter:
33 Their wine is the poison of dragons, and the cruel venom of asps.
34 Is not this laid up in store with me, and sealed up among my treasures?
35 To me belongeth vengeance and recompence; their foot shall slide in due time: for the day of their calamity is at hand, and the things that shall come upon them make haste.
36 For the Lord shall judge his people, and repent himself for his servants, when he seeth that their power is gone, and there is none shut up, or left.
37 And he shall say, Where are their gods, their rock in whom they trusted,
38 Which did eat the fat of their sacrifices, and drank the wine of their drink offerings? let them rise up and help you, and be your protection.
39 See now that I, even I, am he, and there is no god with me: I kill, and I make alive; I wound, and I heal: neither is there any that can deliver out of my hand.
40 For I lift up my hand to heaven, and say, I live for ever.
41 If I whet my glittering sword, and mine hand take hold on judgment; I will render vengeance to mine enemies, and will reward them that hate me.
42 I will make mine arrows drunk with blood, and my sword shall devour flesh; and that with the blood of the slain and of the captives, from the beginning of revenges upon the enemy.
43 Rejoice, O ye nations, with his people: for he will avenge the blood of his servants, and will render vengeance to his adversaries, and will be merciful unto his land, and to his people.
44 And Moses came and spake all the words of this song in the ears of the people, he, and Hoshea the son of Nun.
45 And Moses made an end of speaking all these words to all Israel:
46 And he said unto them, Set your hearts unto all the words which I testify among you this day, which ye shall command your children to observe to do, all the words of this law.
47 For it is not a vain thing for you; because it is your life: and through this thing ye shall prolong your days in the land, whither ye go over Jordan to possess it.
48 And the Lord spake unto Moses that selfsame day, saying,
49 Get thee up into this mountain Abarim, unto mount Nebo, which is in the land of Moab, that is over against Jericho; and behold the land of Canaan, which I give unto the children of Israel for a possession:
50 And die in the mount whither thou goest up, and be gathered unto thy people; as Aaron thy brother died in mount Hor, and was gathered unto his people:
51 Because ye trespassed against me among the children of Israel at the waters of MeribahKadesh, in the wilderness of Zin; because ye sanctified me not in the midst of the children of Israel.
52 Yet thou shalt see the land before thee; but thou shalt not go thither unto the land which I give the children of Israel.


That is the apple of God's eye - God's adversaries who he promised to destroy.

Verse 47 I am afraid is the final nail in the coffin for the Zionists. Possession of the Land was CONDITIONAL on obedience to the law. Read it and weep and howl.



Your bias opinion changes nothing....sorry...no Arabs, children of Ishmael will be in the land when the dust settles...God gave the land to Israel and their current state has zero to do with their right to the land. SO.....maybe you should go back and study a little harder and wiser because Israel is in the land, will remain in the land, posses the land from the Euphrates to the Mediterranean Sea.....Your ANTI-Israel stance belies ignorance of the scriptures and the promises made unto Abraham, ISAAC and JACOB......good luck with your stance
 
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There are those who support the present political nation of Israel because they believe (erroneously) that the Bible says that present day political Israel is the nation God is favoring in an end times scenario. I do not believe the Bible says that in such a way. Rather, the end time prophecies pertaining to Israel are about spiritual Israel, true believers in Christ anywhere on the globe, both Jew and Gentile. The error of seeing the end times scenario as depicting politcal Israel is largely due to the fact that many people have a surface interpretation of the Bible. However, the Bible's own confession is that it is written in parable form (Psalm 78:1-2, Mark 4:34) a fact that many persons have not accepted, though it is true.
This post belies a few things...

a) You have no clue
b) You have no clue what we believe
c) You have no clue concerning the promises of national Israel
d) You have no clue concerning the promises made to Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Joshua
e) You have no clue to the future boundaries of Israel
f) You have no clue about the LION of JUDAH ruling from the throne of David his FATHER
g) You have no clue as to why GOD would gather the world against the JEWISH capital of ISRAEL so as to pour out his wrath
i) You have no clue concerning etc......

Basically....you have no clue!
 
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We know KJV is big on conspiracy theories. Its no good to try to change the mind of a Holocaust denier.If you deny history then you live in your own special little bubble of denial. The rest of the world knows history. Only those with anti-semetic beliefs deny the Holocaust.
It also reeks of willful ignorance.....all who oppose and stand against Israel will pay the price soon enough.....God must have missed the memo from some of these blind people...He must be mistaken to gather the entire world against Jerusalem....and he must be stupid to gather the world against a city that the Jews claim as their capital city because there is no national Israel and no promises made unto such an entity.......such insolence!
 
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Your bias opinion changes nothing....sorry...no Arabs, children of Ishmael will be in the land when the dust settles...God gave the land to Israel and their current state has zero to do with their right to the land. SO.....maybe you should go back and study a little harder and wiser because Israel is in the land, will remain in the land, posses the land from the Euphrates to the Mediterranean Sea.....Your ANTI-Israel stance belies ignorance of the scriptures and the promises made unto Abraham, ISAAC and JACOB......good luck with your stance
Hmm. Well you know DC, you can stick your head up the ostrich's wing, and the ostrich can then stick his head in the sand.

End of the day, God has spoken.

I notice you have completely ignored the scriptures I posted.

I am incidentally as pro-Israel as they come; I am pro the Church of Christ.

You seem a perfectly decent bloke, but I won't hold back on the big lie. Israel is just a warmongering invention of a few crackpots and the Church needs to understand it is nothing to do with Christ.
 
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Hmm. Well you know DC, you can stick your head up the ostrich's wing, and the ostrich can then stick his head in the sand.

End of the day, God has spoken.

I notice you have completely ignored the scriptures I posted.

I am incidentally as pro-Israel as they come; I am pro the Church of Christ.

You seem a perfectly decent bloke, but I won't hold back on the big lie. Israel is just a warmongering invention of a few crackpots and the Church needs to understand it is nothing to do with Christ.
Not hardly and there are national promises made to Israel that will be fulfilled.....even within the ranks of the current entity there is a remnant that will be blessed in the land....that is the part your missing.....go back and restudy the history and word.....there has always BEEN a REMNANT.......!
 
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Hmm. Well you know DC, you can stick your head up the ostrich's wing, and the ostrich can then stick his head in the sand.

End of the day, God has spoken.

I notice you have completely ignored the scriptures I posted.

I am incidentally as pro-Israel as they come; I am pro the Church of Christ.

You seem a perfectly decent bloke, but I won't hold back on the big lie. Israel is just a warmongering invention of a few crackpots and the Church needs to understand it is nothing to do with Christ.
So God keeping his promise in a future restoration of a nation who repents is not of Christ?

You do realise he is THEIR messiah before he ever was ours.. And the OT prophets state quite clearly, He will sit on his throne in THEIR land. and rule the world with a rod of Iron.
 
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Not hardly and there are national promises made to Israel that will be fulfilled.....even within the ranks of the current entity there is a remnant that will be blessed in the land....that is the part your missing.....go back and restudy the history and word.....there has always BEEN a REMNANT.......!

Apparently eternal doesn't mean eternal....
 
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God was clear about gathering them from all the places he had driven them and then establishing their place in history...numerous verses teach this.....some directly, some allude to it........tells me all I need to know about their understanding...I should say a lack thereof!
I see where you're coming from now, you attribute all the first coming prophecies to the second coming of Christ. The Jews were gathered together when Christ came, they as a nation rejected and killed him... no more Israel.

Matthew 21:19 KJV
And when he saw a fig tree in the way, he came to it, and found nothing thereon, but leaves only, and said unto it, Let no fruit grow on thee henceforward for ever. And presently the fig tree withered away.

Or does for ever not really mean FOR EVER in the Greek lol.
 
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Not hardly and there are national promises made to Israel that will be fulfilled.....even within the ranks of the current entity there is a remnant that will be blessed in the land....that is the part your missing.....go back and restudy the history and word.....there has always BEEN a REMNANT.......!

Deuteronomy 32 46 And he said unto them, Set your hearts unto all the words which I testify among you this day, which ye shall command your children to observe to do, all the words of this law.
47 For it is not a vain thing for you; because it is your life: and
through this thing ye shall prolong your days in the land, whither ye go over Jordan to possess it.

Israel's continued occupation of the land, as per the conditional Abrahamic covenant, was totally dependent on Israel's obedience to the Law.

What is particularly sad is that all these junked out Scofies believe all this mad Zionist crud, whilst all the Jews, barring a few, totally understand that Israel is a wholly illegitimate construct of a few nutty extremists.


 
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The answer is really very simple. God gave the land of Israel to Abraham (Genesis 17:8) and to his descendants through Isaac (Genesis 26:2-5) and Jacob (Genesis 28:1-4,13-14).
That means the land belongs to the descendants of Jacob, whose name was changed to Israel. In other words, the land belongs to the children of Israel, referred to in the New Testament as the Jews (Romans 1:16).
Some immediately protest this claim by arguing that the Abrahamic Covenant has been abrogated either by the Cross or by the disobedience of the Jews. But the Bible clearly teaches that the Abrahamic Covenant is an everlasting one that is still in effect (Genesis 17:7; 1 Chronicles 16:17-18; Psalm 105:8-11; and Romans 9:4).
As to the effect of the Jew’s rejection of Jesus, Paul specifically addresses this question in Romans 3. He asks a rhetorical question: “What then? If some did not believe, their unbelief will not nullify the faithfulness of God, will it?” For almost two thousand years the Church has answered this question with a resounding, Yes! But Paul answers it differently. He says, “May it never be! Rather, let God be found true, though every man be found a liar…” (Romans 3:1-4).
Further, Paul states in Romans 11 that the disobedience of the Jews has not nullified the promises of God to them, “for the gifts and calling of God are irrevocable” (Romans 11:29). God’s promises are going to be fulfilled to a believing remnant (Romans 9: 27). In fact, in Romans 9:4, Paul specifically states that God’s promises to the Jews are still valid.

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