UN vote What does it mean

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notbythesword

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It’ll be interesting to see how the UN reacts to the new changes in the American administration. Trump has chosen David Friedman as the new U.S. ambassador to Israel. He is very pro-Israel and has no problems with expanded settlement construction. Top this off with Trump talking about cutting funding to the UN if they continue to push for further sanctions, and you can see how some drama may unfold. I expect to see a fireworks show in the near future.
 
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notbythesword said:
It’ll be interesting to see how the UN reacts to the new changes in the American administration. Trump has chosen David Friedman as the new U.S. ambassador to Israel. He is very pro-Israel and has no problems with expanded settlement construction. Top this off with Trump talking about cutting funding to the UN if they continue to push for further sanctions, and you can see how some drama may unfold. I expect to see a fireworks show in the near future.
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Fully agree and Trump wanting to move the American Embassy to Jerusalem (The JEWISH CAPITOL) will also have major implications if it happens....
 
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I agree and the Abrahamic covenant was to ABRAHAM and CHRIST, not Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.
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Well you keep believing that. And I will take God at his word. that descendents (plural) mean just that. (if it was as you said, it would say descendent (NOT PLURAL) because Christ is one. Not to mention, if it is ONLY to Christ, then you and I have no hope. because we are not part of it either.. Thus we have no blessing from God..

and we will just leave it at that ok?

now will you please stop asking me the same old question as if I never answered them?
 
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What may well happen is that if the indefensible borders that the UN wishes to enforce are enforced, then war will begin. The nation of Judah may begin to seek God in the only way they know, sacrifices.

When those sacrifices are stopped, we need to have our seat belts buckled...

Dan 8:23 And in the latter time of their kingdom, when the transgressors are come to the full, a king of fierce countenance, and understanding dark sentences, shall stand up.
Dan 8:24 And his power shall be mighty, but not by his own power: and he shall destroy wonderfully, and shall prosper, and practise, and shall destroy the mighty and the holy people.
Dan 8:25 And through his policy also he shall cause craft to prosper in his hand; and he shall magnify himself in his heart, and by peace shall destroy many: he shall also stand up against the Prince of princes; but he shall be broken without hand.
Dan 8:26 And the vision of the evening and the morning which was told is true: wherefore shut thou up the vision; for it shall be for many days.

What vision for the latter times?

Dan 8:11 Yea, he magnified himself even to the prince of the host, and by him the daily sacrifice was taken away, and the place of his sanctuary was cast down.
Dan 8:12 And an host was given him against the daily sacrifice by reason of transgression, and it cast down the truth to the ground; and it practised, and prospered.
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
Well you keep believing that. And I will take God at his word. that descendents (plural) mean just that. (if it was as you said, it would say descendent (NOT PLURAL) because Christ is one. Not to mention, if it is ONLY to Christ, then you and I have no hope. because we are not part of it either.. Thus we have no blessing from God..

and we will just leave it at that ok?

now will you please stop asking me the same old question as if I never answered them?
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You're arguing with Paul, not me.

Galatians 3:16 KJV
Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.
 
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I see the remarks here, and they are so scripturally wrong and offbase it just scares me.

The Christian Zionist movement is somehow embedded in the American Church like a louse in fleece, and I get the feeling that recognizing the error is just too unthinkable.

It really is a pathology.

Anyhow, the time is coming when God will leave those caught in this strong delusion to the wages of their sin. It is not a scriptural argument that can change anything, because no amount of sound reasoning will adjust your minds. The problem you have is spiritual, all of you.

9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
 
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You're arguing with Paul, not me.

Galatians 3:16 KJV
Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.
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Nope. Because Paul is talking about the eternal promises, (in you shall all the nations be blessed) Not the temporal promises.

Your argument is with GOD and Abraham and his descendents, not me.
 
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Spurgeoncy said:
I see the remarks here, and they are so scripturally wrong and offbase it just scares me.

The Christian Zionist movement is somehow embedded in the American Church like a louse in fleece, and I get the feeling that recognizing the error is just too unthinkable.

It really is a pathology.

Anyhow, the time is coming when God will leave those caught in this strong delusion to the wages of their sin. It is not a scriptural argument that can change anything, because no amount of sound reasoning will adjust your minds. The problem you have is spiritual, all of you.

9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
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Nice twist of scripture so far out of context to prove a point that it does not even make the laughable category!
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
Nope. Because Paul is talking about the eternal promises, (in you shall all the nations be blessed) Not the temporal promises.

Your argument is with GOD and Abraham and his descendents, not me.
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Where did it say "eternal promises"?
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Spurgeoncy said:
I see the remarks here, and they are so scripturally wrong and offbase it just scares me.

The Christian Zionist movement is somehow embedded in the American Church like a louse in fleece, and I get the feeling that recognizing the error is just too unthinkable.
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1st off that is uncalled for. and is an outright slanderous statement. And is not true.

It really is a pathology.
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And you saying God does not keep his eternal promise is not?

Anyhow, the time is coming when God will leave those caught in this strong delusion to the wages of their sin. It is not a scriptural argument that can change anything, because no amount of sound reasoning will adjust your minds. The problem you have is spiritual, all of you.

9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
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So now we are all unrighteous??

You have fallen into the same trap. And what you just did is slander and condemn a whole bunch of people.
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
Nope. Because Paul is talking about the eternal promises, (in you shall all the nations be blessed) Not the temporal promises.

Your argument is with GOD and Abraham and his descendents, not me.
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Because of our stance we are now identified with the MAN of SIN in Thessalonians.........erroneously I might add!
 
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I'm done arguing. That post is not to engage you or any of your other buddies, it is there for real believers to make sure they do not get caught up in the deceit.
 
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Where did it say "eternal promises"?
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DUDE I AM DONE, GO BACK AND READ THE POSTS WE HAVE MADE THE LAST THREE MONTHS.

I AM SICK OF ANSWERING THE SAME QUESTIONS OVER AND OVER.. Keep it up and we will see what the mods have to say about this nonsense.

 
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I'm done arguing. That post is not to engage you or any of your other buddies, it is there for real believers to make sure they do not get caught up in the deceit.
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real believer huh?

Since when does belief that God is DONE with Israel part of the gospel of Christ? Since when is this even a gospel issue?

WOW. you are out of line missy!!

MANY real believers are on both sides of the spectrum, And you just condemned many of them to hell..

How dare you!!
 
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Because of our stance we are now identified with the MAN of SIN in Thessalonians.........erroneously I might add!
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Not all of them are that way, I have fellowship with MANY who think God is done with Israel. and I know they are my brother or sister. And we do NOT condemn each other..

it is the few select who come out and start condemning people who disagree with them.

it is like the group who think if you do not speak in tongues your not saved, It is cultish and evil
 
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eternally-gratefull said:

DUDE I AM DONE, GO BACK AND READ THE POSTS WE HAVE MADE THE LAST THREE MONTHS.

I AM SICK OF ANSWERING THE SAME QUESTIONS OVER AND OVER.. Keep it up and we will see what the mods have to say about this nonsense.

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This is where our conversations usually end... I bring up you adding to the word or taking verses out of context and then you get mad lol.
 
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Because of our stance we are now identified with the MAN of SIN in Thessalonians.........erroneously I might add!
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I was in ministry 20yrs, but apparently Im in sin and getting left behind. Well, the three of us sinners need to make plans and a place to meet once these "righteous" ones go on ahead and leave us. :rolleyes:
 
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Kayla, you can add one more to your list. :) Although I haven't been in ministry for 20 years, but I've been a believer for a while and I've read the bible a few times.

God loves His chosen nation, Israel. No one can change that fact! And God has made promises to her that have not come to pass yet, but He shows in His word that in the last days, they will come to pass.

It's an exciting truth and I rejoice in it. As we see the stage being set for Israel, I get more and more excited for them.

It also effects all believers because if God made promises to Israel and then brakes them, how could we ever trust Him. And we join into their Covenant. God made a new Covenant with Israel and Judah and we as Gentiles join into their olive tree.

They are the apple of God's eye, always have been.

Kayla, I don't know if you've studied Zechariah or not, but I'm studying it right now. It's a Kay Arthur study and it's done inductively. I'm so excited, because last year we studied Ezekiel and this will help put some more pieces of the puzzle together for me.

I want to study Isaiah, Daniel and Jeremiah as well. I have read them all, but I pick so much more up when I study it.

I love Messianic music as well. :)

Don't let these guys get you going and get you upset. We know the truth of God's word and so lets rejoice in it and not allow them to ruffle our wool. :)


 
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Kayla, you can add one more to your list. :) Although I haven't been in ministry for 20 years, but I've been a believer for a while and I've read the bible a few times.

God loves His chosen nation, Israel. No one can change that fact! And God has made promises to her that have not come to pass yet, but He shows in His word that in the last days, they will come to pass.

It's an exciting truth and I rejoice in it. As we see the stage being set for Israel, I get more and more excited for them.

It also effects all believers because if God made promises to Israel and then brakes them, how could we ever trust Him. And we join into their Covenant. God made a new Covenant with Israel and Judah and we as Gentiles join into their olive tree.

They are the apple of God's eye, always have been.

Kayla, I don't know if you've studied Zechariah or not, but I'm studying it right now. It's a Kay Arthur study and it's done inductively. I'm so excited, because last year we studied Ezekiel and this will help put some more pieces of the puzzle together for me.

I want to study Isaiah, Daniel and Jeremiah as well. I have read them all, but I pick so much more up when I study it.

I love Messianic music as well. :)

Don't let these guys get you going and get you upset. We know the truth of God's word and so lets rejoice in it and not allow them to ruffle our wool. :)


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My pastor is giving me books on this subject to read all the time.Apparently he's getting left behind too and he's been in ministry a lot longer than I was !! lol It really is fascinating to study and to see as history is lining up with what the OT said. It amazes me that there are people who dont see it! The dry bones will live again,just as He promised! Thank you for your post. Blessings!
 
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