Under Law or Under Grace

[JacobMartinMertens]

Reread the discussion.

No thank you. I don't have to obey you in that. I respond to what you post. I don't know if I have made an error. To me it seems that you think that I have.

 

[romans113336]

No thank you. I don't have to obey you in that. I respond to what you post. I don't know if I have made an error. To me it seems that you think that I have.

"Obey"?

I was saying "it's PLAIN--instead of trying to get me to do your work for you, go back and read."

 

[JacobMartinMertens]

"Obey"?

I was saying "it's PLAIN--instead of trying to get me to do your work for you, go back and read."

I was asking what you meant by your post, since you were speaking of me. I wasn't asking for you to ask me to read. What I have already read.

 

[romans113336]

I was asking what you meant by your post, since you were speaking of me. I wasn't asking for you to ask me to read. What I have already read.

Yeah, anyway, this is how it gets--people are told the truth, then they strain at gnats to try and get out of their obligation to the truth. Not my problem! Enjoy!

 

[JacobMartinMertens]

Yeah, anyway, this is how it gets--people are told the truth, then they strain at gnats to try and get out of their obligation to the truth. Not my problem! Enjoy!

Right. But are you saying that this is what I have done or are you pointing out your pet annoyance?

 

[romans113336]

Right. But are you saying that this is what I have done or are you pointing out your pet annoyance?

Just as you are claiming you have some uncertainty about things in this discussion, I, also, am uncertain as to how you could have uncertainty, because everything seems clear as day--therefore, repeating the conversation to you, showing you what you should already know, would likely be a waste of my effort.

 

[Truthnightmare]

The question leaves much to be offered….
And they’re different types of laws.

 

[JacobMartinMertens]

Just as you are claiming you have some uncertainty about things in this discussion, I, also, am uncertain as to how you could have uncertainty, because everything seems clear as day--therefore, repeating the conversation to you, showing you what you should already know, would likely be a waste of my effort.

My not understanding you is nothing to find fault in in me.

 

[JacobMartinMertens]

The question leaves much to offered….
And there are different types of laws.

True.

 

[romans113336]

My not understanding you is nothing to find fault in in me.

If you are being honest, and you are not being sarcastic, or funny, I really don't know what to say.

If you KNOW you don't understand people, why are you getting into conversations with people you know you don't understand?

 

[JacobMartinMertens]

If you are being honest, and you are not being sarcastic, or funny, I really don't know what to say.

If you KNOW you don't understand people, why are you getting into conversations with people you know you don't understand?

It is a human virtue to seek to understand. But you were instructing me, and I responded to what you said from what I know.

 

[romans113336]

The question leaves much to be offered….
And they’re different types of laws.

I'm not sure what this means. Would you clarify? Which question?

 

[romans113336]

It is a human virtue to seek to understand. But you were instructing me, and I responded to what you said from what I know.

No, it is not virtuous to KNOW you have a problem understanding people (nothing I've said has been obscure, or especially complicated), and then go and burden them with your admitted inability to comprehend AND your admitted obstinacy, and then BLAME THEM for the mess you've made in conversation with them.

 

[JacobMartinMertens]

No, it is not virtuous to KNOW you have a problem understanding people (nothing I've said has been obscure, or especially complicated), and then go and burden them with your admitted inability to comprehend AND your admitted obstinacy, and then BLAME THEM for the mess you've made in conversation with them.

I did not say that I have a problem understanding people. I understand you just fine.

 

[romans113336]

It is a human virtue to seek to understand. But you were instructing me, and I responded to what you said from what I know.

You're free to leave the discussion any time you please.

 

[romans113336]

I did not say that I have a problem understanding people. I understand you just fine.

You said you were unclear about many things. I don't think you even believe your own words.

 

[JacobMartinMertens]

You're free to leave the discussion any time you please.

Okay. But, so long as you have something to say I will respond. I have no idea where you live for if you need a bed time. I imagine that you are to the east of me. I am in Tacoma, Washington.

 

[JacobMartinMertens]

You said you were unclear about many things. I don't think you even believe your own words.

I don't remember using the word unclear. Sorry.

 

[Truthnightmare]

I'm not sure what this means. Would you clarify? Which question?

The question has not outlined the specifics.
We are under the law as we live in societ, but are we under the law in regards to our salvation? And there are different laws that have different punishments.

 

[romans113336]

The question has not outlined the specifics.
We are under the law as we live in societ, but are we under the law in regards to our salvation? And there are different laws that have different punishments.

1. People acquainted with the Bible (this is a Bible discussion), in general, know that "under Law" is a Biblical term Paul uses concerning one's behavior, and how it ought to be righteous before God, using God's commandments, and that it does not refer to an obligation to be orderly and not needlessly transgress secular authorities' rules.

2. "Law" and "Grace", in the context of this conversation, refer to two different methods of service ("not in the oldness of the letter but in newness of the Spirit"). We do behave righteously, but it's not by the Law, it's by the Spirit writing God's Laws on our hearts (Ro 2:14).