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I'm currently raising 3 kids with my ex. We've managed to work the divorce so that my kids are not affected as much by it as most. But my ex and I both have different religious beliefs. He don't believe in saying the pledge to the flag because he says it supports all the bad stuff in the country. He told the kids they shouldn't celebrate Independence Day for the same reason. I see nothing wrong with either. Our country has its problems. Many problems. We have strayed far from God and should not support the bad that has passed and stuff that will come to pass in lawmaking. But our country was founded on God and I think that is something to celebrate and remember and strive to get back too. Our next big issue is church. He don't believe in going to church. He tells my kids that its not needed. Ill quote verses to him and he'll say his fellowship is when he goes out and helps other people. I'm strongly for church. I go Sunday and Wednesday at my church and visit Tuesday and Thursdays at others when my time allows. Just curious how others felt about these issues. I'm pretty strong on my views on it but he's strong on his too.
I will give you the best advice and the only advice
that will amount to anything for you.
All other will be a waste of your time and will more than likely
in most cases make it even worse for you than it already is.

Take everything to God.

Wait on Him to move on your behalf.

If He don't move on your behalf... then nothing else you could have or
would have done would have worked for you.

And whatever you have to endure.

Endure it as best as you can with the least amount of complaining and anger
the best as you can. And stop asking others what to do.
They more than likely will give you incorrect advice
therefore tempting you to take it.

Simple as that.
 
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We have a few really good churches where I live. Real Godly preaching. We have some that are heavily leaning into the world too. The church I go to and the ones I visit believe in correction. They'll preach the bible as it is and let u have what God gives them. We can't get to heaven without correction. We need it. It is vital to our salvation. My ex did go to church here and there when we were together. And some church friends from my Thursday night church that I visit finally got him to go up there. He didn't stay though. I don't want to really go into much more details then that about my ex because I just don't feel right. I try to let the past go and focus on now. Which is why I was wondering if these issues were me, rather then him. These are my children. They're going to be confused throughout their lives if we can't come to an understanding. And if I am right, then how do I get a man so set in his ways to come to an understanding? I believe only God can do that. And he has other issues. These are just the couple that we've been at ends with lately. Thanks so much everyone!
50% of American kids live with the results of their parents divorce. You really think 50% of Americans will never be out of confusion? A little more trust in God. A little less trust in culture.

Even if your ex needs correction, it is not now nor ever your responsibility to give it to him.
 
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His views currently don't affect my two youngest but my oldest they do. This is something that I d have to deal with. The bible says to train up a child in the way of The Lord and he will not depart from it. I have to be careful what my children are taught. Would u, as a Christian, send ur child to a school that was taught them to be atheist? Of course not. Same thing here. It's our job as parents to show them the way. The path is narrow. I want my children to stay on that path.
Their father isn't school. And school can be overcome by home. And God can overcome home and school. We are in the world, not of it. Are your kids of or in? For that matter are you of or in? Trust a little more in God. A little less on culture.
 
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I will give you the best advice and the only advice
that will amount to anything for you.
All other will be a waste of your time and will more than likely
in most cases make it even worse for you than it already is.

Take everything to God.

Wait on Him to move on your behalf.

If He don't move on your behalf... then nothing else you could have or
would have done would have worked for you.

And whatever you have to endure.

Endure it as best as you can with the least amount of complaining and anger
the best as you can. And stop asking others what to do.
They more than likely will give you incorrect advice
therefore tempting you to take it.

Simple as that.
Your started so well -- take it to God.

Then fell flat on your face -- but God might not act upon it.

In other words, take it to God, but He might not care, in the meantime don't bother anyone else.

If that's the best advice you can offer, don't offer any.

Misty, disregard shema's post. I promise you, you're not bothering anyone except maybe him.

PS, God cares and will indeed act upon it. So says Jesus. Read Luke 18
 
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But the bible does say fail not to assemble yourself in the house in the house of God.... Now that may not be exact wording. Give me a sec and ill find it.
The Scriptures say God does not dwell in temples made by hands. The Temple is Jesus Christ who is God Almighty in the flesh. The Scripture you are referencing does not mention forsaking a temple but it is talking about forsaking fellowship with other believers (See Hebrews 10:25). Fellowship is making friends in Christ whereby you study together, pray together, help the poor, and spread the Word. While one can do this in a church building, one can also do so in a person's home, or public place.

For if you were trapped in a jungle with no human contact for several months, how would you have fellowship? Would one be in trouble with God in this case?

Anyways, I am not saying for you to not go to church, but I am letting you know that the focus of God's people is to spread the gospel, feed the sheep, and to help those who are less fortunate.
 
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Misty9578

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I do appreciate everyone's insight!!! I'm not sure how we got all the way to the details of my ex and my life, lol, but it I strongly believe in God. I did not ask how I could change him. I mentioned it but right after said only God could do that. I have my faith in God. To Jason, the bible speaks of the building and assembling into Gods house. Speaks of the positions of the church. To put a watchman over the church (pastor). I believe we need that watchman. Sure we can learn and study on our own but an anointed preacher will give us What God has for us. I stand by the fact that church is vital to our growth. Too 'atwhatcost' we can agree to disagree because I firmly believe that we should be careful what are children are taking in. My children are my life. They are second only to God. You completely missed my comparison on the school. I was just saying if u know someone is teaching ur child wrong then would u let them be taught wrong? I don't. But that's me. I believe a child should be brought up right. I believe they should be brought up with the bible and God. I don't rely on culture. I rely on what the bible says. It's scripture. Raise them right and they'll not depart from it. That's a promise from God. If I raise them with anything other then God and they depart then that's my fault but if I hold on to God and keep them straight then with Gods grace, they'll not stray.
 
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I did not offer you anything. I am not a idiot.
I'm sure you're not an idiot nor did I call you such. Your heart may be in the right place but you tripped up on the advice you shared with Misty. Your passion is commendable, and in time when you've gained a little more life experience and insight, you're going to make some extraordinarily positive impacts on people's lives. For now, ponder what you shared in post 21 and see what you could have stated otherwise.
 
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And Jason I will pick up a few at the grocery the next time I'm out and see what I think. Ill let u know.
 
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I do truly appreciate all of younse! I'm not easily offended so the opinions are ok. I truly do need to give things to God more. I struggled with that for years. I'm miles better then I was when I got saved. But at the same time, I've already given this matter to God. I've been praying on it and he will answer. I was just curious if my insight on these couple of bible issues were off compared to others. Different insight and older wisdom can help a spiritual growth. But God bless!
 
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This is completely off subject, and I apologize, but I can't figure out how to block someone. I've just started this site so trying to find my way around. I did find the 'ignore' list on my profile but can't figure out how to add someone to it. I'm on my phone if that matters. It's noone that posted here so don't think that. Just got a guy that won't let up and his messages do offend me. Thanks and God bless!
 

jsr1221

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I do truly appreciate all of younse! I'm not easily offended so the opinions are ok. I truly do need to give things to God more. I struggled with that for years. I'm miles better then I was when I got saved. But at the same time, I've already given this matter to God. I've been praying on it and he will answer. I was just curious if my insight on these couple of bible issues were off compared to others. Different insight and older wisdom can help a spiritual growth. But God bless!
I know I'm kinda late and it may have already been said. But with regards to giving it to God, it just takes time. When we do it doesn't mean we don't care. We obviously do. It's just refreshing to know God does have a plan for everything, and any situation He uses for His purpose He reveals to us in His time. I am praying for your situation. As for blocking, I could be wrong but I thought putting someone on ignore was blocking? I'm on a phone too so I'm not sure how to do it, either. I just thought it was the same thing.
 
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Thanks! Yes ur right, it does take time. My biggest hindrance in my walk was patience. Oh I lacked patience. Could not handle waiting on anything. If God wasn't prompt I tried to figure it out myself. And closes minded people drove me crazy! And my pastor knew this. He told me constantly, Misty u need patience. So I started praying for patience. Now he warned me to be careful what u pray for and oh isn't that the truth!!! Ill have to share my testimony sometime. Far too long to post here. But God def gave me patience. Thought gotta remember, I had far less patience then the least patient person, I believe, lol, so I figure I'm right up there with the average patient person now. Haha!
 

jsr1221

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Thanks! Yes ur right, it does take time. My biggest hindrance in my walk was patience. Oh I lacked patience. Could not handle waiting on anything. If God wasn't prompt I tried to figure it out myself. And closes minded people drove me crazy! And my pastor knew this. He told me constantly, Misty u need patience. So I started praying for patience. Now he warned me to be careful what u pray for and oh isn't that the truth!!! Ill have to share my testimony sometime. Far too long to post here. But God def gave me patience. Thought gotta remember, I had far less patience then the least patient person, I believe, lol, so I figure I'm right up there with the average patient person now. Haha!
Each day is a new day dawning. They say good things come to those who wait patiently. Oddly enough you're talking about patience. Ha-ha. But God is with you through the whole thing. And He will give you the patience you need when you need it most.
 
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Yes he always does! How blessed we are that God has patience with us. I know I'm far from the best at times. But he is definitely merciful and gracious and our world would be lost if he didnt have patience with us. I don't know how he has the patience and tolerance to watch all the sin that goes on. Children being abused is my big issue. It eats at me. I hate hearing about it. I could cry for days over it. But God will not tolerate it forever. One day he will say enough, and his son will come back. What a great and sorrowful day that will be!
 
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I do appreciate everyone's insight!!! I'm not sure how we got all the way to the details of my ex and my life, lol, but it I strongly believe in God. I did not ask how I could change him. I mentioned it but right after said only God could do that. I have my faith in God. To Jason, the bible speaks of the building and assembling into Gods house. Speaks of the positions of the church. To put a watchman over the church (pastor). I believe we need that watchman. Sure we can learn and study on our own but an anointed preacher will give us What God has for us. I stand by the fact that church is vital to our growth. Too 'atwhatcost' we can agree to disagree because I firmly believe that we should be careful what are children are taking in. My children are my life. They are second only to God. You completely missed my comparison on the school. I was just saying if u know someone is teaching ur child wrong then would u let them be taught wrong? I don't. But that's me. I believe a child should be brought up right. I believe they should be brought up with the bible and God. I don't rely on culture. I rely on what the bible says. It's scripture. Raise them right and they'll not depart from it. That's a promise from God. If I raise them with anything other then God and they depart then that's my fault but if I hold on to God and keep them straight then with Gods grace, they'll not stray.
Most the apostles were persecuted for their faith, so there really was not always time to assemble at a stable church type building like we have here in the US. Also, while Jesus taught primarily New Testament and not Old Testament, the New Testament did not officially go into effect until He died upon the cross. In Hebrews 8:13, the author of Hebrews quotes something Jesus said,

In that he saith, "A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away."

So shortly before the cross, Jesus said that a New Covenant will make the First Covenant Old (Which is now decaying and ready to vanish away). Meaning, it was still the Old Testament during Christ's ministry until the Temple veil was torn. So while Jesus did obey certain Old Testament customs, they are no longer required of us to obey. For we do not have to offer animal sacrifices anymore. We are not forbidden in eating unclean animals. We are to turn the other cheek if we are smitten (Instead of an eye for an eye). For the Scriptures say... "the law has changed." (Hebrews 7:12). For no man puts new wine into old wine skins. Anyways, to learn more about how the New Covenant (or New Testament) replaces the Old Testament, check out the many Biblical articles on that topic at GCI (Grace Community International).

https://www.gci.org/law/lawmoses

For there are over 1,050 + New Testament Commands.

https://www.cai.org/bible-studies/1050-new-testament-commands

Are we really supposed to obey all 613 Old Testament Laws in addition to the New Testament Commands, too?
Please take note that many New Testament Commands conflict with OT Laws.

Anyways, there is no command in Scripture telling us to assemble in a church building in order to worship God.

Acts 17:24, "God...dwelleth not in temples made with hands;"

Acts 7:48, "Howbeit the most High dwelleth not in temples made with hands;"

Hebrews 10:25 gives us a command that we are to exhort one another. This command can also be seen in Hebrews 3:13, too. If we are to regard Hebrews 10;25 as attending church just on Sunday, then how do we fulfill the command to exhort one another daily if we meet up only once a week?

Hebrews 10:25 is about having fellowship with believers (Which can be in any place and not specifically a church building).
 
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I do know that we are made up of the body of Christ, not the building, but at the same time we need the church. It is where the sinner goes to find God. Read Romans 10:14-18. We need the church and the sinners need us to need the church. If all Christians decided they would fellowship in their homes then who would greet the lost at the church doors? Paul wrote many letters advising and guiding the churches. He would not have wrote those had he not thought the church was of vital importance. If we go out claiming to be Christians and fail not to assemble in a church then what kind of light is that to a sinner? And the last verse I have in Luke clearly says that the apostles were continually in the temple.
 
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I do know that we are made up of the body of Christ, not the building, but at the same time we need the church. It is where the sinner goes to find God. Read Romans 10:14-18. We need the church and the sinners need us to need the church. If all Christians decided they would fellowship in their homes then who would greet the lost at the church doors? Paul wrote many letters advising and guiding the churches. He would not have wrote those had he not thought the church was of vital importance. If we go out claiming to be Christians and fail not to assemble in a church then what kind of light is that to a sinner? And the last verse I have in Luke clearly says that the apostles were continually in the temple.
The Temple veil was torn. We do not offer animal sacrifices to a priest in the Temple anymore. So the Temple is not a building for believers anymore. Also, Romans 10:14-18 does not mention anything about a church building. Believers are to go out unto various different nations to preach the gospel. So the believer goes out to the lost and not the other way around. Granted, I am not knocking your commitment to go to church. What I am saying is that there is no specific Command in the New Testament that tells us that we are to meet in a special building. A man of God can have fellowship with other believers in their own home and they can reach the lost by going house to house.
 

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This is completely off subject, and I apologize, but I can't figure out how to block someone. I've just started this site so trying to find my way around. I did find the 'ignore' list on my profile but can't figure out how to add someone to it. I'm on my phone if that matters. It's noone that posted here so don't think that. Just got a guy that won't let up and his messages do offend me. Thanks and God bless!
Misty, the easiest way is to click on their user name, which will take you to their profile, and there's an option on the left that says "add to ignore list".

But if he is being rude or inappropriate, please report him to the moderators. Here's a link to one of the mods since you just joined and might not know how to find one:
Christian Chat Rooms & Forums - View Profile: NewEagle

Oh, and welcome to the site! :D
 

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I'm currently raising 3 kids with my ex. We've managed to work the divorce so that my kids are not affected as much by it as most. But my ex and I both have different religious beliefs. He don't believe in saying the pledge to the flag because he says it supports all the bad stuff in the country. He told the kids they shouldn't celebrate Independence Day for the same reason. I see nothing wrong with either. Our country has its problems. Many problems. We have strayed far from God and should not support the bad that has passed and stuff that will come to pass in lawmaking. But our country was founded on God and I think that is something to celebrate and remember and strive to get back too. Our next big issue is church. He don't believe in going to church. He tells my kids that its not needed. Ill quote verses to him and he'll say his fellowship is when he goes out and helps other people. I'm strongly for church. I go Sunday and Wednesday at my church and visit Tuesday and Thursdays at others when my time allows. Just curious how others felt about these issues. I'm pretty strong on my views on it but he's strong on his too.

The answer hinges on your view of the authority of Scripture. IMO, Scripture is the absolute standard of truth; and ANYTHING that contradicts it is a lie or an error.

Based on his answer, GodIsSalvation believes that his opinion is more reliable than Scripture! Therefore, IMO, his opinions are of no value to any believer.

Scripture says: Heb 10:25
25 Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.
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