UNDERSTANDING REVELATION

[just-me]

Doesn't Paul say somewhere that Melchizedeck is a type of Christ and has no history to speak of. I probably have it wrong but
I remember seeing something along those lines

Melchizedec
Melech = a royal king
Zedec = equity in Judgement
מלכיצדק the name means the royal king offering equity

The giving of life by chaos and blood,
providing the way through the power to endure what was necessary,
and in turn giving mankind the hope of entering into understanding
by cutting away darkness with a sword.

The name has seven letters, and seven represents Spiritual completeness via the Fathers perfection
The royal king and priest of Salem means to greet with happiness, shalom and
peace – shalem = Jerusalem

Jerusalem = ”founded by God”
ירושלים “The fulfillment of what I promised through Jesus Christ”

י the hand of receiving
ר giving of a divine force
ו by what is nailed

ש influx of the Holy Spirit
ל perfect government
ם the mighty

shalom (שלם) =peace, as in friendly greeting and shalem spelled the same with a slightly different pronunciation meaning peaceful

Jeru = giving to us Jesus Christ - the place of habitation.
“Pray for the peace of Jerusalem: they shall prosper that love thee.” Psalm 12:6

First: was shalom (happy welcome or greeting)/shalem (meaning peace)
The mighty influx of the Holy Spirit motivating a perfect government instructions to believers by His law.

Then: “Jeru” = giving to us what was promised by what is nailed- Jesus Christ

Finally: “Jerusalem” = the fulfillment of what was promised through Jesus Christ

It seems to be true that Melchizedec was/is actually Jesus Christ that communicated with Abraham.

“For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, “The Prince of Peace.” Isaiah 9:6

 

[KennethC]

When doing prophecy study the OT does have to be used in account to understand all that has taken place and the things getting ready to come to pass.

If anybody is instructing that all prophecies from the OT have already been fulfilled, then I would suggest to find another person to listen to because there are still unfulfilled parts that only by the Holy Spirit and the book of Revelation can those things start to unlock one another.

Remember what one of the last things Daniel was told:

Daniel 12:9
He said, "Go your way, Daniel, for these words are concealed and sealed up until the end time.

 

[peacefulbeliever]

Hebrews -- which probably wasn't written by Paul, but could have been. Hebrews 7:1-10. (See? I don't know Hebrews well, but I was paying attention to Old Hermit, and that passage shows up often while studying Mel. I'm not trying to spell his name out this time. lol)

But Willie is talking about descendants -- those who are the true priest of God -- not ancestry. Mel's got no knowable lineage. That's the big deal about him and how he can be compared to Christ. (And what I don't get, since I can see half of Christ's lineage, and know the other half. Exactly why I picked him. I don't get what the big deal is. lol)

The "lineage" has to do with the "lineage of the priesthood" . . . All priest had to come from the lineage of Aaron - of the tribe of Levi. Melchisedec could not be traced back through the lineage of Levi . . "without descent", i.e. pedigree (center reference) Jesus Christ had NO lineage of the tribe of Levi - he was from the tribe of Judah - that is the comparison.

 

[Willie-T]

Melchizedec
Melech = a royal king
Zedec = equity in Judgement
מלכיצדק the name means the royal king offering equity

The giving of life by chaos and blood,
providing the way through the power to endure what was necessary,
and in turn giving mankind the hope of entering into understanding
by cutting away darkness with a sword.

The name has seven letters, and seven represents Spiritual completeness via the Fathers perfection
The royal king and priest of Salem means to greet with happiness, shalom and
peace – shalem = Jerusalem

Jerusalem = ”founded by God”
ירושלים “The fulfillment of what I promised through Jesus Christ”

י the hand of receiving
ר giving of a divine force
ו by what is nailed

ש influx of the Holy Spirit
ל perfect government
ם the mighty

shalom (שלם) =peace, as in friendly greeting and shalem spelled the same with a slightly different pronunciation meaning peaceful

Jeru = giving to us Jesus Christ - the place of habitation.
“Pray for the peace of Jerusalem: they shall prosper that love thee.” Psalm 12:6

First: was shalom (happy welcome or greeting)/shalem (meaning peace)
The mighty influx of the Holy Spirit motivating a perfect government instructions to believers by His law.

Then: “Jeru” = giving to us what was promised by what is nailed- Jesus Christ

Finally: “Jerusalem” = the fulfillment of what was promised through Jesus Christ

It seems to be true that Melchizedec was/is actually Jesus Christ that communicated with Abraham.

“For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, “The Prince of Peace.” Isaiah 9:6

One of the things wrong with playing our "Bible Games" with Scripture...... "Hasatan" also has seven letters. LOL

 

[Willie-T]

Before you get bent, that was a joke.

 

[just-me]

One of the things wrong with playing our "Bible Games" with Scripture...... "Hasatan" also has seven letters. LOL

Before you get bent, that was a joke.

Thanks for clarifying that but Hasatan only has 5 letters. חהשָׂטָן
Your English is good, your Hebrew isn't LOL
It's good to be lite once in a while.

 

[just-me]

The "lineage" has to do with the "lineage of the priesthood" . . . All priest had to come from the lineage of Aaron - of the tribe of Levi. Melchisedec could not be traced back through the lineage of Levi . . "without descent", i.e. pedigree (center reference) Jesus Christ had NO lineage of the tribe of Levi - he was from the tribe of Judah - that is the comparison.

Concerning that principle which is true. the 2nd gave way to the first being (Melchisedec). Then in the NT the second (Christ Jesus) replaces the Levites. Look up "allegory" in the New Testament, and see this relationship throughout scripture. Galatians 4:24 Your post is right on sis!

 

[popeye]

Doesn't Paul say somewhere that Melchizedeck is a type of Christ and has no history to speak of. I probably have it wrong but
I remember seeing something along those lines

Yes.
Melchesidic was the first priesthood,the forerunner of Jesus.

As was king David.

The 'last' priesthood is also of the lineage of David.

And so it is,David's throne will be re established

 

[oldthennew]

Just Me
what scripture are you getting your spelling for the Hebrew hasatan.
I don't recall the first cheth

 

[just-me]

Just Me
what scripture are you getting your spelling for the Hebrew hasatan.
I don't recall the first cheth

I went with "The" and "Satan" separately. Satan is in scripture, but "the Satan" isn't. "Hasatan" is not in scripture either. referencing this post

 

[oldthennew]

Just Me
Help me here. Is not the definite article represented with just the Hey and if contained
a vowel point?
Thanks always appreciate your input.

 

[just-me]

Just Me
what scripture are you getting your spelling for the Hebrew hasatan.
I don't recall the first cheth

The original Hebrew term satan is a noun from a verb meaning primarily "to obstruct, oppose", as it is found in Numbers 22:22, 1 Samuel 29:4, Psalms 109:6. Ha-Satan is traditionally translated as "the accuser" or "the adversary". The definite article ha- (English: "the") is used to show that this is a title bestowed on a being, versus the name of a being. Thus, this being would be referred to as "the satan".[SUP]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satan
[/SUP]

 

[atwhatcost]

Boy, I sure wouldn't have picked him. Now, you have to open up the can of worms where Ziedek meant Jupiter, and (as I recall) "Calamity" or tragedy, or something along those lines.

But the name Jupiter came from an older name for God. Jove. Which came from Jehovah. To me Jupiter is a completely diluted version of the real God. Same thing many do today -- take what we want and recreate what we don't want from the only God to invent a diluted god.

 

[atwhatcost]

Yeah, I probably didn't make that as clear as I should have. Hebrews 7 clearly states he had no father or mother, but somehow, the "name" of Ziedek" continued on......... whether by physical procreation or just assignment of an office, I have no idea. But he was a fer-real person because people knew him, and he was the head over a city. Walked, talked, and all that human stuff. Maybe had a wife or three....

The Bible even says that he STILL existed as (a) High Priest after Jesus became High Priest. (Real confusing, this Mel guy.)

Pffft. Thank you kindly for that. Didn't catch that part about him still being around, so you just gave me more homework. Pffft! (40 years since I was in college, and I STILL hate homework. lol)

 

[atwhatcost]

One of the things wrong with playing our "Bible Games" with Scripture...... "Hasatan" also has seven letters. LOL

Seventh has seven letters too. lol

 

[atwhatcost]

Just so y'all know. Old Hermit asked me to learn everything *I* could about Mel. I'm doing my own foot work, so peeking at your answers feels like cheating. So, I'm not peeking.

 

[just-me]

Just Me
Help me here. Is not the definite article represented with just the Hey and if contained
a vowel point?
Thanks always appreciate your input.

The letter ( ה ) is strictly an "H" sound but can be used alone to define the noun.
( היי ) is pronounced "hey."
"The" is written ( חה ) as near as I can tell. I'm not a scholar by any means, but I'm studying it.

 

[Ahwatukee]

I joined Christian chat last June and since then I have noticed that there have been a large number of discussions connected with Bible Prophecy. Some are intelligent interesting and informative. Others range from ill informed to plainly ridiculous. I am currently undertaking an in depth study of the Book of Revelation and have gained what to me have been some incredible insights into its contents. The greatest of these has been that without a working knowledge of the OT Revelation is a closed book. Revelation is about the culmination of Gods plan for Humanity and the rest of creation. Reading it without taking this into account is like reading the last page of a detective Novel and then trying to find the whole story from it. I am wondering hoe much time people devote to study of the OT and what methods they use to set about it.

For whoever is interested, below is a rough list of information from the book of Revelation with some of the corresponding OT scriptures. For the most part, though I study the OT, an in depth understanding of the OT is not required in order to understand the book of Revelation. There are only a few specific subjects in Revelation where the OT is necessary such as the information regarding the Woman of Rev.12, the beast and the dismantling of all human government, etc., which can also be found in the book of Genesis and Daniel.

We have to remember that word Apokalupsis which is translate as Revelation, is defined as information which was partially or previously unknown and that is being revealed because it was previously covered, hidden. The lid's being taken off. Also, we must pay attention to the very first verse in Revelation which says, "The revelation from Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show his servants what must soon take place.: Therefore, the book of Revelation is regarding future events from the time it was given to John and specifically has to do with that last generation where the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments take place, as well as all of the signs mentioned in Mt.24.

(Rev.2:14) Pergamum
The teaching of Balaam, who taught Balak to entice the Israelites to sin. (Num.31:16)

(Rev.4:6) The Four Living Beings (Ezk.1,10, Isa.6:1-7)

(Rev.4:6, 15:2) Sea of Glass/Icy Epanse (Ezk.1:2)

The purpose for the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments (Zephaniah 1:1-3, Isa.13:12, etc.)

(Rev.6:12-17) Sun and Moon are darkened/sixth seal (Isa.13:9-10, 34:4, Joel 2:10, 31)

(Rev.6:15-17) Call to the Rocks and Mountains to fall on them (Isa.2:10, 19, 21)

144,000 – Rev.7:1-8 (only for the purpose of knowing the twelve tribes of Israel)

(Rev.9:1-11) Fifth seal
Demonic beings released from the Abyss. (Joel 2 is most likely in reference to this event)

(Rev.10:8-11)
The little scroll – The word as food (Ezk.3)

(Rev.11:8)
Jerusalem figuratively called Sodom and Egypt (Isa.1:10)

(Rev.12:1)
A woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet and a crown of twelve stars on her head (Gen.37:9-10)

(Rev.13, 17, 18)
The beast of the sea (Dan.7:1-9)
The beast speaking boastful words against God (Dan.7:8, 11, 20, 25, etc.)
The beast makes war against the saints and to conquer them for forty-two months (Dan.7:25)
The Image of the beast which may be synonymous with the Abomination that is set up in the temple (Dan.9:27)

(Rev.19:11-21) The Rider on the White Horse/The end of the Age (Dan.2:34-35, 44-45, 7:13, etc.)

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(Rev.20) The Characteristics of the Literal Thousand Year Reign of Christ

(Isa.2:4 – The Nations beat their swords into plowshares and the spears into pruning hooks
and nation will not train for war anymore.

(Isa.11:6-7, 65:25) – Prey and predator animals and their young will lie down together.

(Isa.11:8, 65:25) – The Lion will eat straw like the Ox.

(Isa.11:8) - A young child will put its hand into the viper’s nest and not be harmed.

(Isa.63:1-6) – The Lord Tramples the Nations in his anger at the end of the age

(Isa.65:20) – If a person dies at a hundred he will be thought a mere youth; he who fails to reach a hundred will be considered accursed

(Zech.14:3-4) - The Lord stands on the Mount of Olives at the end of the a

Blessing in Christ - Enjoy!

 

[Willie-T]

Pffft. Thank you kindly for that. Didn't catch that part about him still being around, so you just gave me more homework. Pffft! (40 years since I was in college, and I STILL hate homework. lol)

Not necessarily "alive", but still considered to be a/the? Holy Priest.

 

[Ahwatukee]

Sorry, I forgot to copy and paste the last part:

(Zech.14:3-4) - The Lord stands on the Mount of Olives at the end of the age

(Rev.20:7-8) Satan Gathers Gog and Magog at the end of the thousand years (Gen.10:2, Ezk.38 & 39, etc.)

(Rev.20:15) The Book of Life (Exodus 32:32, Ps.69:28, etc.)

(Rev.22:2) The Tree of Life (Gen.2:9, 3:22)