UNDESERVED PREFERENTIAL TREATMENT

[Grace777x70]

Has anyone asked RobOp if it is true she has asked about posting these devotionals?

Do you think she lied about asking the owner of CC? She would be the worst liar in history to make a lie concerning him on the person's own website.

What would motivate us to think that a sister in the Lord that tries to encourage people that the Lord loves them and that His grace is sufficient for all things in their life - that they would lie like this to us? Where does this originate?

 

[phil36]

Concerning the devotional osted.

How would Joseph Prince relate his idea of prederential favour to the bakers taken to court by gay activists.. what about the Christian B&B owners in Uk who had to close because of being taken to court by a gay couple.

God does not promise material wealth/favour to any of his children in this life. And God does not promise business success in this life either. It can happen and God does bless some in this way but it is not a promise to all.

I think this shows Mr Princes leanings to health and wealth teaching.

 

[Chester]

Do you think she lied about asking the owner of CC? She would be the worst liar in history to make a lie concerning him on the person's own website.

What would motivate us to think that a sister in the Lord that tries to encourage people that the Lord loves them and that His grace is sufficient for all things in their life - that they would lie like this to us? Where does this originate?

Grace 777, you are right! My post #60 was rude and impolite! I am sorry. I was wrong in my approach.

Joaniemarie, I am sorry; that post #60 was rude and inappropriate!

 

[Grace777x70]

Grace 777, you are right! My post #60 was rude and impolite! I am sorry. I was wrong in my approach.

Joaniemarie, I am sorry; that post #60 was rude and inappropriate!

This is most gracious of you brother. There is not one of us that has not done this thing. We are all growing and learning together. Bless you! We see Christ in you and it brings glory to our Lord. I pray that I follow the Lord in me like you have done.

I knew that it was not the real Chester speaking before. All is well...

 

[blue_ladybug]

1. Threads like these are no longer supposed to be made or debated about.

2. To link us to something, highlight the link, right-click on it, do "copy", put it where you want it, do "paste" and waalaa.

3. Please refer to the thread at the top of this forum, by CS1..

 

[blue_ladybug]

Actually there IS a many times banned member who keeps returning and lying about the mods allowing her to return. SOOO if a troll does it, anyone can do it.. NOT saying the OP is, I'm just making a point..

Do you think she lied about asking the owner of CC? She would be the worst liar in history to make a lie concerning him on the person's own website.

What would motivate us to think that a sister in the Lord that tries to encourage people that the Lord loves them and that His grace is sufficient for all things in their life - that they would lie like this to us? Where does this originate?

 

[blue_ladybug]

Robo NEVER EVER comes into the forums..

Has anyone asked RobOp if it is true she has asked about posting these devotionals?

 

[Grace777x70]

Actually there IS a many times banned member who keeps returning and lying about the mods allowing her to return. SOOO if a troll does it, anyone can do it.. NOT saying the OP is, I'm just making a point..

I hear ya'.

I wonder who has the record for the "most returns" after being banned....lol

 

[blue_ladybug]

For those too lazy to click a link, or can't find CS1's thread:

http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/143507-hyper-grace-preachers-doctrine-cc.html

 

[joaniemarie]

John 8:32 And you shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free. So often in life it comes down to this. Knowing and believing the truth and the promises of God's word and walking in those promises will make us free. If I want to be free of worry it means believing what the the Bible says and what the Holy Spirit reveals to my heart and spirit. I can't listen to my feelings of fear and doubt or other people's. Stepping out in faith means believing He will catch me and not allow me to fall.

I'm puzzled why so many Christians fight against being blessed or in other words, being caught when they step out in faith. Why is it such a stretch for us to trust Jesus when first He saved our souls., to also trust He also saves our lives now? Is it because people have not had success in their lives when they felt they followed Jesus as best they could?

From my own limited experience as just 1 person., I've learned that as long as I kept control of my life, that was how long I had defeat and failure., And that averages out to about 25 yrs. It not only many spiritual blessings that God shows us that keeps us coming forward., but also by tangible blessings of peace and safety and comfort that I've been able to step out from behind my own safety walls. Able to come out into the open and dare believe Jesus would actually come through and not let me fall on the concrete of life sort of speak.

And not only me but millions of believers have found Him to be faithful. I'm against trying to plan my whole life out and trying to be ready for whatever might come before hand thinking through the "what ifs" of life. Or look at other people and see what they go through and fear or envy them. God isn't calling us to do that in fact He warns us not to compare ourselves by ourselves and by others. The standard for God is much higher than we can even imagine. Faith takes us to places personally that I've never been before. The Bible calls this the gift of the Holy Spirit who gives us rivers of living water flowing out of our inner being or simply out of our belly.

So that leaves the door wide open for many if not thousands of possibilities in our life when we let Jesus lead. Blessings do come and have come for me thanks to His love in and for me. I also look forward to them coming. With God, they come in so many forms when He opens our eyes to them.

 

[Grace777x70]

For those too lazy to click a link, or can't find CS1's thread:

http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/143507-hyper-grace-preachers-doctrine-cc.html

Good one. We are to stick to discussing the content of an OP in a respectful, non-insulting manner and not attack individuals nor use terms that we have been asked to stop using because of the bad behavior that they can bring.

To me it shows the wisdom of God operating in CS1.

 

[joaniemarie]

Concerning the devotional osted.

How would Joseph Prince relate his idea of prederential favour to the bakers taken to court by gay activists.. what about the Christian B&B owners in Uk who had to close because of being taken to court by a gay couple.

God does not promise material wealth/favour to any of his children in this life. And God does not promise business success in this life either. It can happen and God does bless some in this way but it is not a promise to all.

I think this shows Mr Princes leanings to health and wealth teaching.

I'm not sure what Pastor Prince would say. Does it really matter? We each come into situations every day of our lives that we have to make judgment calls about. No one can answer for someone else in those matters you put up here. Many Christians have already stated they would not have done the same thing based on their own faith leanings. Many would have baked that cake and used the opportunity for a witness of the love of God. But until we are in these situations how can we judge someone else?

As a Christian woman who has many decisions to make in a day., I do each one at a time asking for the Holy Spirits help. If something happens that I didn't expect He says to come to Him and trust Him. When I do that it works out ultimately. I expect Him to take care of it so there is an expectation of good coming from Him. He always gives good and not evil all the days of my life. Expecting this of Jesus is pleasing to Him.

 

[Grace777x70]

John 8:32 And you shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free. So often in life it comes down to this. Knowing and believing the truth and the promises of God's word and walking in those promises will make us free. If I want to be free of worry it means believing what the the Bible says and what the Holy Spirit reveals to my heart and spirit. I can't listen to my feelings of fear and doubt or other people's. Stepping out in faith means believing He will catch me and not allow me to fall.

I'm puzzled why so many Christians fight against being blessed or in other words, being caught when they step out in faith. Why is it such a stretch for us to trust Jesus when first He saved our souls., to also trust He also saves our lives now? Is it because people have not had success in their lives when they felt they followed Jesus as best they could?

From my own limited experience as just 1 person., I've learned that as long as I kept control of my life, that was how long I had defeat and failure., And that averages out to about 25 yrs. It not only many spiritual blessings that God shows us that keeps us coming forward., but also by tangible blessings of peace and safety and comfort that I've been able to step out from behind my own safety walls. Able to come out into the open and dare believe Jesus would actually come through and not let me fall on the concrete of life sort of speak.

And not only me but millions of believers have found Him to be faithful. I'm against trying to plan my whole life out and trying to be ready for whatever might come before hand thinking through the "what ifs" of life. Or look at other people and see what they go through and fear or envy them. God isn't calling us to do that in fact He warns us not to compare ourselves by ourselves and by others. The standard for God is much higher than we can even imagine. Faith takes us to places personally that I've never been before. The Bible calls this the gift of the Holy Spirit who gives us rivers of living water flowing out of our inner being or simply out of our belly.

So that leaves the door wide open for many if not thousands of possibilities in our life when we let Jesus lead. Blessings do come and have come for me thanks to His love in and for me. I also look forward to them coming. With God, they come in so many forms when He opens our eyes to them.

I agree and there is a "tension" there between the understandings of some things in scripture. For example - what is the wrath of God when He is love? What is the vengeance of God in the light of the grace of God shown in Christ?

What is this "tribulation" that we are promised by Jesus and yet He says - we will have "abundant life?" What is "suffering" for the gospel's sake and yet Christ has suffered for our freedom.

I believe the understandings of these truths can help us to properly place the applications of truth in our everyday lives. In learning these things in light of the finished work of Christ - there is also the presentation of things too.

I believe we can learn by the Holy Spirit how to articulate what is really being said which would help to dissipate these "tensions" that occur in certain truths.

I ask God for more of Daniel's excellent spirit and understandings in us in the body of Christ. We need to have a shewing of hard sentences and have a dissolving of doubts become a reality so that we can grow up in the Lord together.

Daniel 5:12 (KJV)
[SUP]12 [/SUP] Forasmuch as an excellent spirit, and knowledge, and understanding, interpreting of dreams, and shewing of hard sentences, and dissolving of doubts, were found in the same Daniel, whom the king named Belteshazzar: now let Daniel be called, and he will shew the interpretation.

 

[joaniemarie]

Grace 777, you are right! My post #60 was rude and impolite! I am sorry. I was wrong in my approach.

Joaniemarie, I am sorry; that post #60 was rude and inappropriate!

Thank you Chester., God bless you.

 

[phil36]

I'm not sure what Pastor Prince would say. Does it really matter? We each come into situations every day of our lives that we have to make judgment calls about. No one can answer for someone else in those matters you put up here. Many Christians have already stated they would not have done the same thing based on their own faith leanings. Many would have baked that cake and used the opportunity for a witness of the love of God. But until we are in these situations how can we judge someone else?

As a Christian woman who has many decisions to make in a day., I do each one at a time asking for the Holy Spirits help. If something happens that I didn't expect He says to come to Him and trust Him. When I do that it works out ultimately. I expect Him to take care of it so there is an expectation of good coming from Him. He always gives good and not evil all the days of my life. Expecting this of Jesus is pleasing to Him.

It certainly does matter what someone teaches, especially in offering daily devotions.

 

[joaniemarie]

It certainly does matter what someone teaches, especially in offering daily devotions.

I'm not able to answer for someone else here. God has not called me to run a ministry or a bakery. I've never been in the situation those people were in given the challenges they faced. I have to approach each situation as it comes and give it over to the Lord each and every time. Giving over different situations has different challenges. At times I've had to give my children over. That was a bit different than giving over other concerns.

In the end actually it's all about giving all concerns over to Him and leaving them there. Learning how to walk by faith and not by sight and trusting Him to work it all out for our good.

 

[PennEd]

The issue I have with this has to do with the expectations it sets up.

The article states "The more you behold Jesus and His love for you, the more you will see His favor work for you", then proceeds to give examples of worldly "successes". Its giving the following equation: Loving Jesus = Favour and success in this world. This is simply not true.

The Bible outlines that we will encounter much suffering, opposition, and be hated in this world when we submit to Him and give ourselves to Him. Yes, when worldly circumstances do go our way, we praise Jesus. But if things do not go our way, we continue to praise Jesus.

Our worldy circumstances are not evidence of His love for us. We can produce a ton of good fruit. If the world decides to pick the fruit and enjoy it, great. But I find that it can easily go the other way... The world can pick our fruit and throw it at us (which actually strengthens our faith in Him). What doesn't change is the unshakable love He has for us.

One could have their lives shattered and seem cursed with nothing going their way. Does this mean they didn't "behold Jesus and His love" for them? Nope. Sounds like Job's friends, if you ask me.

Personally I do not need worldly circumstances to edify my love for Him. Loving Him is my reward. He is the treasure. Simple.

As this thread pops up now and then I have read this excellent post several times.
I'm not sure it conflicts at all with the OPs views, but it certainly echo's mine.
Although the Lord blesses us mightily every day, I do think there is concern, especially for the new Christian, misinterpreting the OP article.
They may not understand if a tragedy befalls them, that it could also be God's Will, for reasons we might not comprehend immediately.

Although Scripture is replete with examples of blessings and answered prayers, there are also examples of prayer not being answered in the way the person praying wants.

Paul prayed 3 times to have his thorn in the flesh removed.God said no.

The greatest example is God's Son, praying so earnestly He sweat Blood, that His Father would take the cup of suffering He was about to endure.

God said no. BUT the riches of His Glory will be bestowed on Him for following His Father's Will.

I pray that we rejoice in Him regardless of our earthly situation!

 

[phil36]

I'm not able to answer for someone else here. God has not called me to run a ministry or a bakery. I've never been in the situation those people were in given the challenges they faced. I have to approach each situation as it comes and give it over to the Lord each and every time. Giving over different situations has different challenges. At times I've had to give my children over. That was a bit different than giving over other concerns.

In the end actually it's all about giving all concerns over to Him and leaving them there. Learning how to walk by faith and not by sight and trusting Him to work it all out for our good.

Hi Joaniemarie,

I was not discussing how you encounter differing situations. I was discussing Joseph Princes devotional which is the OP's post.

Joseph Prince openly admits his roots are in word of faith teachings. So I am not saying anything he hasn't already admitted.

 

[joaniemarie]

I agree and there is a "tension" there between the understandings of some things in scripture. For example - what is the wrath of God when He is love? What is the vengeance of God in the light of the grace of God shown in Christ?

What is this "tribulation" that we are promised by Jesus and yet He says - we will have "abundant life?" What is "suffering" for the gospel's sake and yet Christ has suffered for our freedom.

I believe the understandings of these truths can help us to properly place the applications of truth in our everyday lives. In learning these things in light of the finished work of Christ - there is also the presentation of things too.

I believe we can learn by the Holy Spirit how to articulate what is really being said which would help to dissipate these "tensions" that occur in certain truths.

I ask God for more of Daniel's excellent spirit and understandings in us in the body of Christ. We need to have a shewing of hard sentences and have a dissolving of doubts become a reality so that we can grow up in the Lord together.

Daniel 5:12 (KJV)
[SUP]12 [/SUP] Forasmuch as an excellent spirit, and knowledge, and understanding, interpreting of dreams, and shewing of hard sentences, and dissolving of doubts, were found in the same Daniel, whom the king named Belteshazzar: now let Daniel be called, and he will shew the interpretation.

These very questions come up in our lives and we each have to find an answer by personally asking the Holy Spirit to reveal the truth to us. The Holy Spirit has had to prepare my heart many times to be 'able' to receive what He has had me to learn. He never forced me to be blessed. I wished He would but He leads and it's my choice whether to follow. Took me lots of years and losses to finally put down my way and go His way.

It's so much like those sheep God says we are. They are so stupid but they follow when they know and trust the Shepherd. He has been convincing me over the years that He is worthy of all my trust. When I follow Him there is always good coming.

 

[joaniemarie]

I'm reading both Phil36 and PennED. Hi guys! What you guys are saying comes down imo to how we see Jesus today in our lives.
Some do not believe the same way I do. I have great expectations and like the devotional., have had Jesus show up in my life and take care of me each and every time.

We each see things in the Bible differently and this is not odd. I believe based on my reading and the teaching and comparing of Bible understanding that Paul's thorn in the flesh was not sickness but people who were a pain in his life. I have not come to this over night and it takes comparing things I've read in the Bible before.

We each have our Bible journeys to take and we may each read the same verses and come up with something different and yet that is how the Bible works. The HolySpirit can bring the exact truth into our hearts that we needed. Taylor made.

And so if you guys believe the tribulations we go through are from God (and I don't) that is your choice. I know and believe that good comes from God. Evil comes from satan who comes to kill steal and destroy. Jesus came to give life and that more abundantly.

I've "repented" / (changed my way of thinking) about Jesus and what He did for me when He saved my soul. He gave me a new spirit and made me a child of God giving me the gift of His righteousness. I don't "do" righteous to be righteous., I AM righteous IN Christ.

And so in such matters as troubles in the world., I know He will take me through them and bring me out the other side. He has never failed me and He never will. And it's an actual relief to know it's a pleasing thing for Him to know I trust Him and want to keep learning how to trust Him more. And He daily gives more incentives. And it's just like the song "One Day At A Time"