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I read that parable about the workers in the field, the ones that have worked all day and then the ones who work only for a little while and they get the same pay.
It makes me sometimes wonder if Salvation is made available to people for longer than we think. And maybe possibly upsetting for some who were saved earlier than others.
It makes me sometimes wonder if Salvation is made available to people for longer than we think. And maybe possibly upsetting for some who were saved earlier than others.
I sincerely doubt you will find any supporter of universal reconciliation on this forum. Try contacting a Universal/Unitarian Church in your area.
In a nutshell, they believe God will reunite all creation to Him by His overpowering grace regardless of the circumstances.
Sort of like Calvinism but for all.
In a nutshell, they believe God will reunite all creation to Him by His overpowering grace regardless of the circumstances.
Sort of like Calvinism but for all.
Yes, many of those on the Unitarian side of this theology are exactly as you say but for the most part even these support the idea that the creator God will bring all creation back to Him/Herself in the end. I am not attempting to defend this theology but simply explaining the mindset of many in this group.
If you visit a typical service you will hear much about social justice and the unity of the human spirit. You will notice a lack of worship or study of any spiritual nature. They believe truth can not be understood simply through any text but by experiencing the oneness of creation. They believe that whatever God is must be good in some sense because humans are good by nature and can be better if unified in a common goal.
Most of my knowledge of this group comes from visiting a rather large and active Unitarian church in my hometown of Baton Rouge, LA
If you visit a typical service you will hear much about social justice and the unity of the human spirit. You will notice a lack of worship or study of any spiritual nature. They believe truth can not be understood simply through any text but by experiencing the oneness of creation. They believe that whatever God is must be good in some sense because humans are good by nature and can be better if unified in a common goal.
Most of my knowledge of this group comes from visiting a rather large and active Unitarian church in my hometown of Baton Rouge, LA
Willie your joking right? If you read as much as seem to ,you would know this is a unfounded statement. It leaps into the realm of Hyper Calvinism . It is not what Reformed theology teaches . Your post shows a lack of depth in understanding the subject . Reformed and the studied non Reformed folks know this . The statement makes as much senses a football bat or a 4 wheel drive unicycle. Universal salvation puts the unrepentant among the repentant in heaven . No where in Reformed beliefs is anyone going to be with our Lord in heaven that dose not repent in this life .
Blessings
Bill
Blessings
Bill
Regardless of what the atheist, secular humanist and pagan members believe the consensus among most of them is that there is a creator and that creator cares for and desires reunion with its creation.
You are quite wrong about pagans not believing in God. There was a group of Wiccans worshipping there and they believed in many gods. They even offered a prayer to silence the winds of Hurricane Gustav. No Joke.
You are quite wrong about pagans not believing in God. There was a group of Wiccans worshipping there and they believed in many gods. They even offered a prayer to silence the winds of Hurricane Gustav. No Joke.
At the same time there are Unitarian Universalists:
Unitarian Universalism is a religious movement which emerged in part from the Universalist Church, but it no longer holds any official doctrinal positions, being a non-creedal faith. Universal reconciliation, however, remains a popular viewpoint among many congregations and individual believers including many that have not at all associated with said church. [Wikipedia]
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In Christian theology, universal reconciliation (also called universal salvation, Christian universalism, or in context simply universalism) is the doctrine that all sinful and alienated human souls—because of divine love and mercy—will ultimately be reconciled to God. The doctrine has generally been rejected by Christian religion, which holds to the doctrine of special salvation that only some members of humanity will eventually enter heaven, but it has received support from many prestigious Christian thinkers as well as many groups of Christians. The Bible itself has a variety of verses that, on the surface, seem to support a plurality of views. [Please note "seem to"]
Unitarian Universalism is a religious movement which emerged in part from the Universalist Church, but it no longer holds any official doctrinal positions, being a non-creedal faith. Universal reconciliation, however, remains a popular viewpoint among many congregations and individual believers including many that have not at all associated with said church. [Wikipedia]
Back to Universal Reconciliation [Also from Wikipedia]
In Christian theology, universal reconciliation (also called universal salvation, Christian universalism, or in context simply universalism) is the doctrine that all sinful and alienated human souls—because of divine love and mercy—will ultimately be reconciled to God. The doctrine has generally been rejected by Christian religion, which holds to the doctrine of special salvation that only some members of humanity will eventually enter heaven, but it has received support from many prestigious Christian thinkers as well as many groups of Christians. The Bible itself has a variety of verses that, on the surface, seem to support a plurality of views. [Please note "seem to"]
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I can easily see this thread turning into a 'how many plumbers does it take to screw in a light bulb' joke
if someone can figure out a variation on how many experts does it take to come up with the wrong answer?
you have to see it to believe it
perhaps next we can decide which side of the toast is best to spread your butter on
then, we can go on to the merits of possibly not using butter
then someone can question whether or not a butter knife is best or if any simple handy knife within the kitchen will suffice
nutmeg
nutmeg to the lot of you
if someone can figure out a variation on how many experts does it take to come up with the wrong answer?
you have to see it to believe it
perhaps next we can decide which side of the toast is best to spread your butter on
then, we can go on to the merits of possibly not using butter
then someone can question whether or not a butter knife is best or if any simple handy knife within the kitchen will suffice
nutmeg
nutmeg to the lot of you