Very confused about Methuselah

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Before the flood there was a canopy of water that encapsulated the earth and it was like a terrarium and the temps were consistent and seeing how 90 percent of aging is the sun it stands to reason that ALL things grew bigger, and lived longer....the oxygen saturation was also greater than it is now with a little higher pressure......under laboratory experiments reptiles have grown bigger and live longer under the descriptions as found above.
 
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Titus 3:9

But avoid foolish disputes, genealogies, contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and useless.
Real constructive work here as there is a biblical logical answer to the OP.....man!
 
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The water canopy theory is no longer believed by the majority of biblical creationists but it is believed there was some type of canopy pre-Flood.
 
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Titus 3:9

But avoid foolish disputes, genealogies, contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and useless.
Context, people, context! This isn't in reference to studying the biblical genealogies. It's in reference to the Jews who were trying to out do each other by saying they were born of one bloodline and not another and how they were more holy/worthy etc. because of it. This has everything to do with self-righteousness and absolutely nothing to do with studying the biblical genealogies.
 
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Y'all got it covered I think. But what about that vote is it still available?
 
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The water canopy theory is no longer believed by the majority of biblical creationists but it is believed there was some type of canopy pre-Flood.
Well I have studied it intently and I still believe it......and to be honest, but not mouthing, I don't really care what any majority believes or don't believe :)
 
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So, apparently it says that Methuselah died at the age of 969... Has this been mistranslated? Or can anyone give me a logical explanation? lol
Jakob check out the Sumarian King list: Sumerian King List - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .

These great ages are mythological and demonstrate the connection with Babylonian legend. The most ancient mention of the great flood, for example, is from this region. Note that Abraham is said to have come from the city of Ur which was likely that capital city at that time. He may have brought these traditions with him. The king list gives ages very similar to those appearing in Genesis. It also gives ages much older -- for example, in the thousands of years.
 

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Jakob check out the Sumarian King list: Sumerian King List - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .

These great ages are mythological and demonstrate the connection with Babylonian legend. The most ancient mention of the great flood, for example, is from this region. Note that Abraham is said to have come from the city of Ur which was likely that capital city at that time. He may have brought these traditions with him. The king list gives ages very similar to those appearing in Genesis. It also gives ages much older -- for example, in the thousands of years.
The age was actual because it is the Word of God. In the beginning there was no disease and after the fall the creation was starting to die because of the sin that infested it. People lived a long time in the beginning but gradually due to disease, famine and other ills the average life span has been drastically reduced. If the age is not actual than the bible is full of fables and not to be relied on for a source of inspiration leading to repentance and salvation in our Lord Jesus dying for us on the cross for our sins. God is not a liar and every single word is true and entirely accurate. The problem lies in man's interpretation and not with the Author's intent.
 
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The scripture that I gave is for all genealogies or other disputes that are not beneficial.
When genealogies are brought up, it starts a debate between age of things and then some go and start debating the whole age of earth and dinosaurs and so on. The bible says not to get caught up into those debates for they are not beneficial, and that is who that scripture was intended for.

I believe God created the earth, but believing that it is around 6,000 years old or over millions of years is not beneficial.

Then when it comes to age of people before the flood, and people from then tell now it is plain and simple;

God shortened the age span first, and than man has shortened it even more by the introduction of the different viruses, diseases, and unhealthy habits man indulges in.

If you don't think man is not the cause of a lot of these diseases/viruses than let me show you how;

Examples: Eating undercooked foods, putting multiple different chemicals into the air, water, and ground that then gets picked up by the animals or absorbed into plants then we take and ingest them. Or just breathing the air with all these pollutions in them.
 
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Well I have studied it intently and I still believe it......and to be honest, but not mouthing, I don't really care what any majority believes or don't believe :)
No, no. Fair enough. It's just that there are more credible theories out there.
 
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Jakob check out the Sumarian King list: Sumerian King List - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .

These great ages are mythological and demonstrate the connection with Babylonian legend. The most ancient mention of the great flood, for example, is from this region. Note that Abraham is said to have come from the city of Ur which was likely that capital city at that time. He may have brought these traditions with him. The king list gives ages very similar to those appearing in Genesis. It also gives ages much older -- for example, in the thousands of years.
And your resources are?
I would rather trust the bible than wikipedia. I meant, he bible has been around for a long time.
 
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Thanks but no thanks.
Why, Kerry? It's probably the best compilation of evidence to date for the historicity of the book of Genesis, particularly the early chapters.
 
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(...)Also, where does the animal kingdom PLAY in this role? Why do dogs live up to 15 years. while Turtles can live over 200 years?"
It doesn't. I heard that every animal, in way, has about the same amount of hearbeats in his life. Some animals just last longer. A mouse has a fast heartrate, while an elephant has a slow heartrate. A mouse runs out of heartbeats faster and has a short life expentancy, while an elephant can live to a 100 yo. Maybe a turtle, which is a slow creature, has a much slower heartrate than a dog, which runs around all the time. Size matters too, larger animals generally speaking live longer.
 
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It doesn't. I heard that every animal, in way, has about the same amount of hearbeats in his life. Some animals just last longer. A mouse has a fast heartrate, while an elephant has a slow heartrate. A mouse runs out of heartbeats faster and has a short life expentancy, while an elephant can live to a 100 yo. Maybe a turtle, which is a slow creature, has a much slower heartrate than a dog, which runs around all the time. Size matters too, larger animals generally speaking live longer.
You make a very good point here. Well done!
 
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No, in the days before the flood, people lived much longer. Methuselah lived the longest of any person.

The explanation which always satisfied me is the following. Adam and Eve were created to live forever, in perfect conditions. But when they sinned, death entered the world, although not immediately. Adam finally died when he was 930 years old, in Genesis 5. Many of the ancients before the flood lived for centuries, read Genesis 5 to see the people and their ages. Longevity was the rule, not the exception!

So in chapter 6 of Genesis, God becomes angry with human beings for various reasons. He picked Noah, a righteous man to build the ark. It was not just a flood from the sky, but also the "waters of the deep" Gen. 7:11, opened up. So this was a BIG flood. Plus, if there had been a protective canopy over the earth, as some postulate, by dumping that canopy on the earth, all people, plants and animals were open to the excessive radiation from the sun, and the mutations caused by it. I think other things also entered the environments of people, as the first mention of alcohol is after the flood. Perhaps the yeast needed to make alcohol came from the rain or the juvenile water??

So you have totally new conditions in the earth. A these conditions accelerated, people began to suffer more and more under a genetic load - that is mutations which favoured diseases and resulted in shorter living times. This continued up to the time of Abraham, who died at the "ripe old age" of 175 years (Genesis 25:7), Isaac who lived 180 years (Gen. 35:28), Jacob who lived 147 years (Gen. 47:28), his son Joseph at 110. (Gen. 50:26)

There is a real downward trend from Adam and Methuselah to the end of Genesis, after the flood in length of life. Moses is recorded to have died at age 120 in Deut. 34:7. So things level off. Yet as we know today, the person who lives to 120 is the exception to the rule, not the rule.

I also believe God's prohibition to the Jews against marrying sisters and cousins, which begins in Lev. 18:6-18, is because of the genetic load which narrowed the genome considerably, especially considering Abraham married his half sister, and his sons also married relatives from Haran. In fact, this prohibition continues today, because of the possibility of interbreeding producing bad mutations. I once worked teaching handicapped students, and there was a family whose parents were cousins. Four out of the five children had facial deformities and were mentally handicapped, as a recessive trait was expressed in the children.

So the perfection created in Eden, allowed those early inhabitants of the earth to live much longer than we live today, and Methuselah lived the longest of them all.
Dearly beloved friend, with all due respect to you, the Holy Bible of GOD's Word did not mention and have anything to do with any of this that you have proclaimed and in the method of science. In the Kingdom of this world and it's wisdom, men and science predictions are limited to only what their mind is able to perceive, apart from GOD's power and wisdom, who art in Heaven and have been the creator of all, the provider of all and the decider of all, in all kind things.

For they wandered off on their own ways, unable to be fruitful and faithful to their creator, away from GOD and were scattered all over the earth, each one ignorantly moved on to his or her own traditions and doctrines and languages of men. They remained unfruitful in thinking and in recognizing the creator and started creating and devising their own things and did what was pleasing to their sight. This very similar act was recorded in Genesis, GOD's true story witnessing the builders of the tower of babel and only to those who belong to HIM, whom HE will and found, HE Helped them see, even us through CHRIST and the HOLY SPIRIT.

And those whom GOD made Himself known, now able to know and see things differently in opposite direction and distinctive among carnal men and women, whose confession is based on theory and predictions and some of them were never true nor came true but wound in a circle time after time. But compared to the Kingdom of GOD of truth. HIS by the Help of the HOLY SPIRIT and directed by CHRIST and in our blessed Spiritual discernment, grandly in limitation highlights to us more towards, GOD, who is the creator of all, HIS will and HIS plans and HIS actions for and towards all mankind and all creation, who mankind were initially created and made in HIS image, gave them HIS power and authority, to bring to subdue over all other creations and multiply and dwell all over the earth, bringing justice and peace in the physical visible world, which solely belongs to I AM that I AM. And HE remain as the actual SPIRITUAL invisible original always in existence owner, forever and ever the creator from the beginning and ever ruler over all HIS creation, even in Heaven and on earth, spiritual and physical, Amen.

Let our spiritual attention turn away from carnal science and perceive Kingdom sound doctrine knowledge justifications from the beginning of Genesis in the Holy Bible;

After Adam and Eve's selfish feelings and desires of the flesh/carnal, which gave in to the crouching sin, and from then on their generation after generations were enslaved themselves to the same master(sin and death) and satan till today remain either the approved or disapproved by GOD's will, initiator/tester to faithfulness. Only sin and death became the ruler of this earth then on, taking opportunity of GOD's righteousness and the weaknesses of mankind. Death was the wages for all who sow in sin, at the end of the day, as which was first proclaimed by GOD, cautioning Adam first and then Adam to Eve.

In the Kingdom of GOD's rules and conditions, sin is the justification of one's disobedience against it's Ruler and death is their wages. Death first destroys the spiritual side of mankind, away from HIS image and then the physical side, away from eternal health and life. So the lifespan of flesh and blood is shortened. These were for the generation of Shem, after Noah, whom GOD continued with until they became an Israelite nation and govern by GOD'S Law. There were prolonging of health and life span because of the washing ceremonies and sacrifices to keep them from harms way.

Yet for the non-Jews, they were govern by the Law written in their conscience. Everything happened naturally by what they have and believed and yet GOD still ruled over all of them, allowing them in their ignorance for time being until now. And also HE allowed anyone who wanted to come into the Jewish faith.

Yet in all of this, only GOD is the final decision maker, for and over all creation in Heaven and on earth, including all mankind with HIM or against HIM or without HIM. HE reigns on High as the only Ruler to fear and tremble, who is HEAD over all power and all authority and all rulers and all forces whom HE created and placed, spiritual and physical, in the Heavens and on earth, who are representing and acting at HIS command, as HIS chosen spiritual and physical government, governing on behalf of HIM. Serving on HIS behalf to bring HIS justice everywhere, even though they may seem as injustice, to a carnal eye, Even using those representatives who have turned their backs and are against HIM and HIS Goods, who are all in all, still approved as HIS visible or invisible instruments used now and then for HIS purpose, decides once and for all, every single creation's health and life span, even their existence or non-existence, great or less great and etc.

HIS Holiness and righteousness, towards the physical realm, HE overall able to decide whether to lengthen or shorten, give or to take health and life or even provide salvation and pay for them later, in order to fully justify to all, physical and spiritual, at the end, HE is and have been I AM that I AM, through Moses and through fully in CHRIST JESUS, the Alpha and Omega over Heaven and earth, the Potter of merely clay, the author and finisher of our faith, always perfect, right and fair, have no favorites and etc.

One simple Scripture written in the book of Proverbs, justify that science is not the distinguisher and decider of mankind's ways and their span of lives but only GOD All-Mighty.

"Men make plans but only GOD decides."

In Hinduism, it has been a common practice marrying their cousins. Are all of their children effected in defects? From them came many bollywood handsome actors and many world pageants winning actresses.

As it is written in 1 Corinthians 3;18-21, that;

"Let no one deceive himself. If anyone among you thinks that he is wise in this age, let him become a fool that he may become wise. For the wisdom of this world is folly with GOD. For it is written, HE catches the wise in their craftiness, and again, 'The LORD knows the thoughts of the wise, that they are futile.' So let no one(believer) boast in men."