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Your perspective contradicts the Word.

Joel 2:28 And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions:
Yes all manners to include tongues as languages the Jew was not familiar with would be used all the way up until the last word of prophecy was given. The whole is sealed til the end. What we had in part is gone.. Need more?

Does a person need more than the same spirit of faith according as it is written? Can we add oral traditions as private revelations interpretations.

We have a history for over two thousand years of those who have added ?
 
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Has God ever put a scripture on your mind that ended up applying to you at the time?Or an answer to your prayer? How many pastors have woken up and changed their entire sermons last minute because God put something on their heart to share?
Yes he has through the scriptures, the scripture is not new prophecy. I would think confirming we have heard the existing would be a sign that follows, the prophecy that leads confirming we have heard his words of prophecy. Not new prophecy as that which adds to the finished book. Same applies to pastors they can change their minds at the last moment . I think dreams are a way to heal of psyche as common grace given to everyone.

Interpreting a dream could lead to a good outcome or one not so blessed. But is never a source for hearing God as evidence a person is with Christ. Everyone dreams everyday inspired by their own fleshy minds.. No dream activity for more than 72 hours a person begins to become confused . Dreams are like food necessary for these bodies of death.

God does still speak through visions and dreams. I've experienced both, but they were personal lessons for me, which did agree with the scriptures. One of them very comforting at the time and humbled me. The vision was shortly after I had returned from my backsliding so I hadn't read much of the word, and I believe this is probably the reason God chose to speak to me this way. I did a blog entry on it
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I would offer Satan as the god of this world is the only spirit today allowed to bring a private interpretations as revelations
through a dream or making a sound as a lying wonder .

A couple verses to look at.

I have heard what the prophets said, that prophesy lies in my name, saying, I have dreamed, I have dreamed. How long shall this be in the heart of the prophets that prophesy lies? yea, they are prophets of the deceit of their own heart;Which think to cause my people to forget my name by their dreams which they tell every man to his neighbour, as their fathers have forgotten my name for Baal.Jer 23:25


Before the last new prophecy and the warning not to add or subtract from the whole, the elect are pre warned of the time period following the last book Revelation . Because they heed the warning they will not be deceived by thus says the Lord, I had a vision or a dream or another newer manner of prophecy, tongues.

And then if any man shall say to you, Lo, here is Christ; or, lo, he is there; believe him not:For false Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall shew signs and wonders, to seduce, if it were possible, even the elect.But take ye heed: behold, I have foretold you all things.Mar 13:21
 

Katy-follower

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Yes he has through the scriptures, the scripture is not new prophecy. I would think confirming we have heard the existing would be a sign that follows, the prophecy that leads confirming we have heard his words of prophecy. Not new prophecy as that which adds to the finished book. Same applies to pastors they can change their minds at the last moment . I think dreams are a way to heal of psyche as common grace given to everyone.

Interpreting a dream could lead to a good outcome or one not so blessed. But is never a source for hearing God as evidence a person is with Christ. Everyone dreams everyday inspired by their own fleshy minds.. No dream activity for more than 72 hours a person begins to become confused . Dreams are like food necessary for these bodies of death.

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I would offer Satan as the god of this world is the only spirit today allowed to bring a private interpretations as revelations
through a dream or making a sound as a lying wonder .

A couple verses to look at.

I have heard what the prophets said, that prophesy lies in my name, saying, I have dreamed, I have dreamed. How long shall this be in the heart of the prophets that prophesy lies? yea, they are prophets of the deceit of their own heart;Which think to cause my people to forget my name by their dreams which they tell every man to his neighbour, as their fathers have forgotten my name for Baal.Jer 23:25


Before the last new prophecy and the warning not to add or subtract from the whole, the elect are pre warned of the time period following the last book Revelation . Because they heed the warning they will not be deceived by thus says the Lord, I had a vision or a dream or another newer manner of prophecy, tongues.

And then if any man shall say to you, Lo, here is Christ; or, lo, he is there; believe him not:For false Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall shew signs and wonders, to seduce, if it were possible, even the elect.But take ye heed: behold, I have foretold you all things.Mar 13:21

Yes, agree that regular dreams are the brain's way of repairing/recharging itself and this is all. But since the OP mentioned he dreamt of a particular book in the bible, there is no reason to dismiss it since the only outcome really is to read it, so whether it was God drawing his attention to it or him just having a desire to read it, there is no issue as it's scripture and encouraging him to read it is not me interpreting his dream at all.

As for the pastor being led by the Spirit to change his sermon last minute, for example.... little does he know the reason is because God knows someone will be walking into that church and so the new sermon might be timed perfectly for that person.

As for interpreting... not sure where you got the impression I was doing this or that I believe in this? Just as prayer is personal, between you and God... only you will know when/if He answers your prayer. No one can interpret for you, because it's between you and God. Something might happen in your life and you know God was speaking to you, but someone else would not know this. Not long ago I had a conversation with someone and he emailed me to let me know that something I said was an answer to his prayer. I have no idea what it was and would not expect him to tell me, only if he chose to, but God gave me the words to say to answer that person without me knowing at the time what his prayer had been.

There is a difference between a regular dream and a dream from God, and you will know the difference, because God makes it known to you.... and the interpretation will be clear with no confusion. My vision and dream vision were not prophetic in nature or adding to the word in any way, they were simply God communicating to me personally. I don't depend on signs and wonders and I use discernment always, so I'm not easily swayed by the devil's deceptions. I can tell you that I was not deceived by my two experiences because they were definitely from God. They were actually lessons for me personally. It's a bit like trying to explain the born again experience to someone who hasn't experienced it. Some will be so quick to say only the devil gives dreams to deceive us, but then this person has not experienced it themselves so this is all they can say. Nothing wrong with warning, of course, but not everything is automatically a lie, and in my situation the experiences were real.

As for tongues, I cannot comment on that because I just don't know much on the subject to be honest. Satan is a serial counterfeiter so I always expect to see counterfeits everywhere, especially within the churches. I personally have never spoken in tongues and would never condemn a believer or say they're lying just because I don't understand it and have never experienced it myself. I was told that my vision was a lie by a person that believes they ceased. If a person prayed and then God answered their prayer in a specific way that was made clear to them but would not be clear to others, I would never tell them they're lying, because how do I know God didn't answer their prayer?

Nothing should add to or contradict the word, and we should never depend on visions and dreams, for example. And not every dream is automatically from God either, but when it is it is made known, as sure as the sky is blue. And I don't say this to gloat, because truly He gets the glory at the end of the day, but I just wanted to confirm that God does communicate through visions and dreams, but like with everything there are always counterfeits and one shouldn't assume that every dream they have is from God, and also not depend on them. Nothing should add to scripture or contradict the word. I've never shared the dream publicly as I'm not sure anyone needs to know, and I don't want to be a target on here either. The vision I shared in my blog on here (titled "a humbling vision") as I thought maybe it would be comforting to others since the lessons were comforting to me (all of them biblical).

I wonder if God takes advantage of the time when we're sleeping, because this is when we're silent and have no distractions.

Just my thoughts.
 

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Yes all manners to include tongues as languages the Jew was not familiar with would be used all the way up until the last word of prophecy was given. The whole is sealed til the end. What we had in part is gone.. Need more?

Does a person need more than the same spirit of faith according as it is written? Can we add oral traditions as private revelations interpretations.

We have a history for over two thousand years of those who have added ?
You were wrong in your perspective as it contradicted the Word, and you respond now by trying to make your contradiction not appear so contradictory.
I don't know why so many on this forum, rather than admit they are in error, will let Satan influence them through pride to continue advocating a lie rather than the truth.
 
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The more one studies the more the word of God is dwelt upon.....in my own personal life, when I have saturated my life with 40 plus hours a week of study I have also dreamed of the word.....
 

louis

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The more one studies the more the word of God is dwelt upon.....in my own personal life, when I have saturated my life with 40 plus hours a week of study I have also dreamed of the word.....
I know what you mean.
I maybe have one or two a year. Can't remember what they were about right now, but they seemed relevant at the time.
 
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I know what you mean.
I maybe have one or two a year. Can't remember what they were about right now, but they seemed relevant at the time.
Think about this one and the truth of my post...this verse really came into focus when I was going through Seminary (catching up on my bible studies and was studying 40 to 60 hours a week)....mind non-stop on the word to the point that I was even dreaming about the word.........

Blessed is the man that walketh not in the counsel of the ungodly, nor standeth in the way of sinners, nor sitteth in the seat of the scornful. But his delight is in the law of the LORD; and in his law doth he meditate day and night.
 

louis

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Think about this one and the truth of my post...this verse really came into focus when I was going through Seminary (catching up on my bible studies and was studying 40 to 60 hours a week)....mind non-stop on the word to the point that I was even dreaming about the word.........

Blessed is the man that walketh not in the counsel of the ungodly, nor standeth in the way of sinners, nor sitteth in the seat of the scornful. But his delight is in the law of the LORD; and in his law doth he meditate day and night.
I daily find myself thinking about what the Word says.
 
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You were wrong in your perspective as it contradicted the Word, and you respond now by trying to make your contradiction not appear so contradictory.
I don't know why so many on this forum, rather than admit they are in error, will let Satan influence them through pride to continue advocating a lie rather than the truth.

The last commandment given to not add or subtract from the word now that we have the whole sealed up till the end of the world contradicts the word ? Is that what you are saying?

Whose word? The private revelations of Satan who is still brining new signs as a lying wonders to give the illusion by which God sends a strong delusion for the person to believe the lie . .

Again God can influence our hearts in a dream or he could change the thoughts of pastors according to that which is written.But no new revelations are needed.

When the elect take heed God gives them a sure fire way not to be taken in by a signs and lying wonders gospel .When men say shall say to you, Lo, here is Christ; or, lo, he is there; we are to believe him not:

For false Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall shew signs and wonders, to seduce, if it were possible, even the elect.But take ye heed: behold, I have foretold you all things.Mar 13:22
 

louis

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The last commandment given to not add or subtract from the word now that we have the whole sealed up till the end of the world contradicts the word ? Is that what you are saying?

Whose word? The private revelations of Satan who is still brining new signs as a lying wonders to give the illusion by which God sends a strong delusion for the person to believe the lie . .

Again God can influence our hearts in a dream or he could change the thoughts of pastors according to that which is written.But no new revelations are needed.

When the elect take heed God gives them a sure fire way not to be taken in by a signs and lying wonders gospel .When men say shall say to you, Lo, here is Christ; or, lo, he is there; we are to believe him not:

For false Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall shew signs and wonders, to seduce, if it were possible, even the elect.But take ye heed: behold, I have foretold you all things.Mar 13:22
I posted a clear scripture (Joel 2:28), which clearly states that in the last days people will prophesy, have dreams and visions from God, which you deny, and now you appear to claim will be prophesies from Satan.
You then take another scripture about false prophets in the end times from Mark 13:22, and apply it to Joel 2:28.
Either you are very immature in the Word, or the pride you have from Satan keeps you from admitting your error.
Think about what someone calling the Word false is doing; ...they are willfully advocating darkness rather than light.

Joel 2:28 And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions:
 

louis

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Look at the following verse in Joel 2:29, and tell me honestly if these people upon whom the Lord pours out his spirit, are among the false prophets in Mark 13:22.

Joel 2:29 And also upon the servants and upon the handmaids in those days will I pour out my spirit.
 

notuptome

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I posted a clear scripture (Joel 2:28), which clearly states that in the last days people will prophesy, have dreams and visions from God, which you deny, and now you appear to claim will be prophesies from Satan.
You then take another scripture about false prophets in the end times from Mark 13:22, and apply it to Joel 2:28.
Either you are very immature in the Word, or the pride you have from Satan keeps you from admitting your error.
Think about what someone calling the Word false is doing; ...they are willfully advocating darkness rather than light.

Joel 2:28 And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions:
You accuse him and you are doing the same thing. You are not reading what is written but making the scripture fit your preconceived conclusion. You arrived at the scripture already knowing what you wanted it to say.

This passage clearly distinguishes between several groups of people. First all flesh then your sons, your daughters then your old men and your young men.

Pentecost is the Jewish feast of the latter first fruits. The dispensation of the Holy Spirit to the church is first seen at Pentecost. This is the all flesh in Joel 2. The remaining dreams, visions and prophesies are to Israel not to the Gentile church.

Learning to understand this will rectify much error. Read what is there and not what you want to be there.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 

louis

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You accuse him and you are doing the same thing. You are not reading what is written but making the scripture fit your preconceived conclusion. You arrived at the scripture already knowing what you wanted it to say.

This passage clearly distinguishes between several groups of people. First all flesh then your sons, your daughters then your old men and your young men.

Pentecost is the Jewish feast of the latter first fruits. The dispensation of the Holy Spirit to the church is first seen at Pentecost. This is the all flesh in Joel 2. The remaining dreams, visions and prophesies are to Israel not to the Gentile church.

Learning to understand this will rectify much error. Read what is there and not what you want to be there.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
After the Lord pours out His Spirit on all people, a certain percentile (the faithful) then prophesy, have dreams and visions.
To call the people in Joel 2:28-29 who after the Lord pours out His spirit, then prophesy, have dreams and visions, false prophets is spin from Satan, the deciever of all mankind (Revelation 12:9).

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[FONT=&quot]29 And also upon the servants and upon the handmaids in those days will I pour out my spirit.

Revelation 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him
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