Walking by the Spirit

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G00WZ

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Do you ever fulfill the lusts of your flesh?
Yes sometimes when i slip and mess up, but the difference is i know i have an advocate with the Father even when i fall. Too much emphasis is on the errors people make when trying to walk in the spirit..Its something you grow into, you don't just wake up and walk flawlessly your first try, but you strive to do so. Ephesians 4:15 talks about growing into all things Christ... you are learning and growing...Matthew 18:3 and said, “I assure you that if you don’t turn your lives around and become like this little child, you will definitely not enter the kingdom of heaven. .. Children are the perfect example
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Living by the flesh does not stop making us a new creation in Christ. It does however make us deceived by sin and distorts our view of the Lord's love and grace towards us and distorts our perception of God Himself, others and ourselves.

I have found the very same thing happening in my life. The more I see Christ and what He has done - and the more I agree with His work - the more He becomes manifested in my life and the things of the flesh just have fallen off like dead leaves on a branch.

Transformation is really the emerging new man that is in Christ being manifested in our bodies while we are here on this earth.

This transformation of what already is in us in Christ in our new creation ( It is not called a "new evolution" ) can be seen by man as our minds get renewed to the truth of Christ's work for us. Rom. 12:2

We are simply "being" who we already are when we "put on Christ".

The new man in Christ is like the invisible man - when he put clothes on, people could then see him. We put on Christ and people see the new man in Christ manifested and God gets glorified.

This all happens by grace through faith in what Christ has done and we participate in it with Him for it is God who is at work in us both to will and to do of His good pleasure. He will be faithful to us. Phil. 2:13


As we learn to walk by the spirit instead of the flesh - then we experience God's kind of life in our lives.
 
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i follw the things im trying to offer for you to accept. its hard for some to accept, i been there in the past. im not at all telling you what i think might work, but what I have experienced in Life. i think this haoppens alot on here, you are seeing me somehow condemning you, but...thats not what is there in my comment. can you deny the truth that those things i quoted are there in your bible as well? and they are very plainly set forth by the same who said " saved by grace so no one can boast? or will you say im condemning you and saying you arent "saved"?

the truth is the truth, its there and very plain, heres ephesians 5 i was referring to as well

ephesians 5:1-7 "Be ye therefore followers of God, as dear children; 2And walk in love, as Christ also hath loved us, and hath given himself for us an offering and a sacrifice to God for a sweetsmelling savour.3But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh saints; 4Neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor jesting, which are not convenient: but rather giving of thanks. 5For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath ANY INHERITANCE in the kingdom of Christ and of God.6Let no man DECEIVE YOU with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience. 7Be not ye therefore partakers with them."


listen, i dont know you, how you live, i cant tell you if your " saved" or not, thats between you and Jesus Christ. all im saying is the bible in which you must believe is truly Gods word, meaning what God has said to mankind, has a complete message that leads to the changing of the believer. am i free to live in sin or " gratify and walk after the flesh? not at all, Gods word has called me from those things i once followed into the things i follow now. all im saying is consider the message rather than picking a verse or two and denying the rest, if you let in the knowledge, it will change you and bring a Greater praise to God. we gotta be willing to Love God more than what we want, and hear him saying : Lay it down and follow me"

to be clear, your own salvation is only and can only be between yourself and Jesus Christ who is the Lord. want to grow? accept the word as it is set forth and when you dont agree with it, realize Gods word isnt wrong
I don't think your trying to condemn me and I think you're sincere in your beliefs... you just need to grow some more.
 

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We will never have complete control over them; because we have no control, but God does, The calling of the cross of the Lord Jesus is for us to hate our soul-life so that we find the opportunity to lose it and not preserve it. The Lord's intention is that the self must and should be sacrificed and offered up completely so that the Holy Spirit may work. All opinion, work, and thinking ability in the soul-life must be willing to be put to death so that we can regain His true life by the life and guidance of the Holy Spirit. The Lord spoke of the matter of our hating or loving our soul-life. The soul is self-loving. If we do not from our heart truly hate our natural life, we cannot have a real living in the Holy Spirit. If a believer has not seen this, he will not be fearful of his self and his own intelligence and will not completely rely on, wait upon, and look to the Holy Spirit. These are the primary requirements for the spiritual life.

The war between the soul and the spirit goes on secretly and without ceasing inside the believer. The soul, on behalf of the self, wants to be the head and act by itself. The spirit, on behalf of God, wants to gain all and be the master with full authority. In this situation, if the spirit has not gained the victory, the soul takes the lead in everything. If a believer thus allows himself to be the master and expects the Holy Spirit to be his help and bless his work, he will unavoidably lose the spiritual fruit. If we do not reject our self and lose our soul-life, but instead follow its idea, opinion, and suggestion, and if we do not constantly deny its right and unconditionally and unreservedly put it in the ashes, without longing for what we have lost, we cannot expect to have a spiritual life and work that pleases God. Unless we willingly deliver the power, the eagerness, the liveliness, the running, etc., of the soul-life to the cross and maintain a steady attitude of hating the soul-life, it will seize the chance to rise up. The reason we have so many failures in our spiritual life is that the aspect of the soul has not been dealt with thoroughly, while we still hope to overcome it by gaining more of the Holy Spirit and power. If the soul-life is not lost through death but is allowed to be mixed with the spirit, the believers will continue to fail just as before. If our life does not completely manifest the power of the Holy Spirit of God, before long we will have more failures due to the wisdom and opinions of man.
 
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Living by the flesh does not stop making us a new creation in Christ. It does however make us deceived by sin and distorts our view of the Lord's love and grace towards us and distorts our perception of God Himself, others and ourselves.

I have found the very same thing happening in my life. The more I see Christ and what He has done - and the more I agree with His work - the more He becomes manifested in my life and the things of the flesh just have fallen off like dead leaves on a branch.

Transformation is really the emerging new man that is in Christ being manifested in our bodies while we are here on this earth.

This transformation of what already is in us in Christ in our new creation ( It is not called a "new evolution" ) can be seen by man as our minds get renewed to the truth of Christ's work for us. Rom. 12:2

We are simply "being" who we already are when we "put on Christ".

The new man in Christ is like the invisible man - when he put clothes on, people could then see him. We put on Christ and people see the new man in Christ manifested and God gets glorified.

This all happens by grace through faith in what Christ has done and we participate in it with Him for it is God who is at work in us both to will and to do of His good pleasure. He will be faithful to us. Phil. 2:13


As we learn to walk by the spirit instead of the flesh - then we experience God's kind of life in our lives.
how does God do His work?
 
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I don't think your trying to condemn me and I think you're sincere in your beliefs... you just need to grow some more.
lol ok so i need to grow up and go ahead and gratify the flesh? and tell others walking in the spirit is saying i believe in the finished work of the cross yatta yatta....... i already grew out of that friend. but ill leave it there, was not intending to argue with you, just offering some scripture to clarify something. God bless either way.
 
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Jas 1:12 Blessed is the man that endureth temptation: for when he is tried, he shall receive the crown of life, which the Lord hath promised to them that love him.
Jas 1:13 Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man:
Jas 1:14 But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.
Jas 1:15 Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.
Jas 1:16 Do not err, my beloved brethren.

Blessed is he that endures temptation,and beats it,and does not sin,for he will receive the crown of life that is given to all who love Jesus,so it is given to all who shall be with Jesus in heaven.

For sin brings forth death,so do not hold unto sin.

Do not err,brethren.

1Jn 3:2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.
1Jn 3:3 And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.
1Jn 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
1Jn 3:5 And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.
1Jn 3:6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.
1Jn 3:7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
1Jn 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
1Jn 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
1Jn 3:10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.

He who abides in Christ does not sin,and this is how the children of God is manifest,and the children of the devil,whosoever does not do righteousness is not of God.

Do not be deceived,brethren.

Jas 5:19 Brethren, if any of you do err from the truth, and one convert him;
Jas 5:20 Let him know, that he which converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins.

A person that claims Christ and abstains from sin,but goes back to holding unto sin,have erred from the truth,and if he turns from his sin,and gives them up it will save his soul from death,and will hide a multitude of sins.

Why,because he ceased from sinning,which lets us know what is important to God,stop sinning.

But I do not believe that a lot of people that confessed Christ tried to even abstain from sin right from the get go,but repented of their sins of the past,but held unto sin,and when they did it they would repent,but hold unto sin,and live by that thinking they are alright.

2Ti 2:19 Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.

You best be departing from iniquity,yes you better be,for you do not want to find yourself before Jesus clutching at straws with excuses for your sinful behavior,with did not I do this,and that,for they may say that works do not have anything to do with their salvation,but if they are one of the people that said Lord,why can't we dwell with you,I know they will start popping off all the works they did,and popping off anything they can,to try to thwart the judgement that Jesus puts upon them,which He said they were workers of inquity.

Gal 5:16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.
Gal 5:17 For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.
Gal 5:18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.
Gal 5:19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
Gal 5:20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
Gal 5:21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
Gal 5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
Gal 5:23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
Gal 5:24 And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.
Gal 5:25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.

A Spirit led life will not fulfill the lusts of the flesh,and has crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts,so they can abstain from sin by the Spirit if they do not want sin,hate sin,want to represent goodness,and act Christlike.

It is not that they cannot abstain from sin,but they want to sin,and atheist Johnny had a heroin problem,cheated on the wife,but gave it up not liking the folly of his ways anymore,and never touched heroin again,never drank,smoke,or did any drugs,and never cheated on the wife again,but treated her with the upmost respect,being romantic like never before,and treating her like a queen.

Ole' atheist Johnny never did those sins again.

So how did atheist Johnny by his own power beat those sins,and never do them again,but then a Christian will say we cannot abstain from sin.

It is not they cannot abstain from sin,these people want to sin,because they want to hold unto sin,and then say it does not affect their relationship with God.

Why,because when you look at the people that believe OSAS there is a lot of hypocrisy among them,that do not stress to be holy in their Church,so them knowing that there is a lot of hypocrisy,and can see it in public,and they believe that God chose them,and they can never fall,and always have salvation,and are chosen,then their sins cannot affect their relationship with God,for they are chosen,and cannot lose salvation.

But the Bible says different,but they want to justify holding unto sin,and say,we cannot lose salvation.

Rev 3:2 Be watchful, and strengthen the things which remain, that are ready to die: for I have not found thy works perfect before God.
Rev 3:3 Remember therefore how thou hast received and heard, and hold fast, and repent. If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee.

Rev 3:15 I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot.
Rev 3:16 So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.
Rev 3:17 Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked:
Rev 3:18 I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see.
Rev 3:19 As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent.

Rev 2:2 I know thy works, and thy labour, and thy patience, and how thou canst not bear them which are evil: and thou hast tried them which say they are apostles, and are not, and hast found them liars:
Rev 2:3 And hast borne, and hast patience, and for my name's sake hast laboured, and hast not fainted.
Rev 2:4 Nevertheless I have somewhat against thee, because thou hast left thy first love.
Rev 2:5 Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent.

Rev 2:15 So hast thou also them that hold the doctrine of the Nicolaitans, which thing I hate.
Rev 2:16 Repent; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will fight against them with the sword of my mouth.

When Jesus addressed the Churches that went in error of the truth,Jesus said repent,and get right,or He would fight against them.

Does not sound like God tolerates sin,and it does not matter.

1Co 9:24 Know ye not that they which run in a race run all, but one receiveth the prize? So run, that ye may obtain.
1Co 9:25 And every man that striveth for the mastery is temperate in all things. Now they do it to obtain a corruptible crown; but we an incorruptible.
1Co 9:26 I therefore so run, not as uncertainly; so fight I, not as one that beateth the air:
1Co 9:27 But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway.

adokimos
ad-ok'-ee-mos
From G1 (as a negative particle) and G1384; unapproved, that is, rejected; by implication worthless (literally or morally): - castaway, rejected, reprobate.

Paul said if he did not keep under his body,keep it in subjection,to abstain from sin,then he would be a castaway.

But they got their Calvinova.

Like Casanova that would swoon the women in a physical sense,the OSAS people have their Calvinova that swoons them according to them confessing Christ,and makes their head all in a whirl,and they say,oh that Calvinova is so dreamy,and a delight to us.
 
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We will never have complete control over them; because we have no control, but God does, The calling of the cross of the Lord Jesus is for us to hate our soul-life so that we find the opportunity to lose it and not preserve it. The Lord's intention is that the self must and should be sacrificed and offered up completely so that the Holy Spirit may work. All opinion, work, and thinking ability in the soul-life must be willing to be put to death so that we can regain His true life by the life and guidance of the Holy Spirit. The Lord spoke of the matter of our hating or loving our soul-life. The soul is self-loving. If we do not from our heart truly hate our natural life, we cannot have a real living in the Holy Spirit. If a believer has not seen this, he will not be fearful of his self and his own intelligence and will not completely rely on, wait upon, and look to the Holy Spirit. These are the primary requirements for the spiritual life.

The war between the soul and the spirit goes on secretly and without ceasing inside the believer. The soul, on behalf of the self, wants to be the head and act by itself. The spirit, on behalf of God, wants to gain all and be the master with full authority. In this situation, if the spirit has not gained the victory, the soul takes the lead in everything. If a believer thus allows himself to be the master and expects the Holy Spirit to be his help and bless his work, he will unavoidably lose the spiritual fruit. If we do not reject our self and lose our soul-life, but instead follow its idea, opinion, and suggestion, and if we do not constantly deny its right and unconditionally and unreservedly put it in the ashes, without longing for what we have lost, we cannot expect to have a spiritual life and work that pleases God. Unless we willingly deliver the power, the eagerness, the liveliness, the running, etc., of the soul-life to the cross and maintain a steady attitude of hating the soul-life, it will seize the chance to rise up. The reason we have so many failures in our spiritual life is that the aspect of the soul has not been dealt with thoroughly, while we still hope to overcome it by gaining more of the Holy Spirit and power. If the soul-life is not lost through death but is allowed to be mixed with the spirit, the believers will continue to fail just as before. If our life does not completely manifest the power of the Holy Spirit of God, before long we will have more failures due to the wisdom and opinions of man.
i like what you said Here, i would however say that death to the old, is freedom from it, when the old is put to death, it no longer has a pull, temptation can still come, but we have the sword of the spirit which is Gods word, like Jesus used against satan when He was tempted, again spirit = word
 
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By operating based on His Will, which in some things He has shown us and in others He has not.

How do we Know Gods will? isnt His will manifest in His word? <<thats my take, and i agree people are at different places, what makes us grow however is to accept the word of God and let go of what is contrary to it, because His will is made plain as it pertains to mankind, its why the Bible was spoken by the Lord, and preserved through men who heard and did what He said to do.

How does God do work in the world today? those Who are willing to Hear and follow His word. or " servants of God" he has no hands of flesh, His hands operate through ours, the willing. He has no money to give to the needy, He gives to them through our willingness to share. and so on, christianity comes down to What God said to the world through Jesus Christ

christ- ians followers of His truth.
 
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Yes sometimes when i slip and mess up, but the difference is i know i have an advocate with the Father even when i fall. Too much emphasis is on the errors people make when trying to walk in the spirit..Its something you grow into, you don't just wake up and walk flawlessly your first try, but you strive to do so. Ephesians 4:15 talks about growing into all things Christ... you are learning and growing...Matthew 18:3 and said, “I assure you that if you don’t turn your lives around and become like this little child, you will definitely not enter the kingdom of heaven. .. Children are the perfect example
of growing and learning..
My hearts desire is to please the Lord - I walk after the spirit but I still lust after things of the flesh... more money a nice new F-150, for my kid to be the best football player on his team etc. I still get mad for the wrong reasons but the sad thing about is EVERYBODY on this forum does it too and either can't see the wrong in themsleves or think that it's ok for them.

It remainds me of a couple I went to church with years ago, they were holier than thou and really tried to lay a guilt trip on me because I was getting a divorce. Low and behold, would you believe that they actually got a divorce years later! And it was perfectly ok then because it was them. And here's the kicker... durning that time that they were condemning me, they were "swinging" with another couple at the church.

I know people, and I know you guys that say all this stuff about walking in the spirit are just like me... sinners!
 
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My hearts desire is to please the Lord - I walk after the spirit but I still lust after things of the flesh... more money a nice new F-150, for my kid to be the best football player on his team etc. I still get mad for the wrong reasons but the sad thing about is EVERYBODY on this forum does it too and either can't see the wrong in themsleves or think that it's ok for them.

It remainds me of a couple I went to church with years ago, they were holier than thou and really tried to lay a guilt trip on me because I was getting a divorce. Low and behold, would you believe that they actually got a divorce years later! And it was perfectly ok then because it was them. And here's the kicker... durning that time that they were condemning me, they were "swinging" with another couple at the church.

I know people, and I know you guys that say all this stuff about walking in the spirit are just like me... sinners!
"I know people, and I know you guys that say all this stuff about walking in the spirit are just like me... sinners!"


because you are limiting Gods ability to change a sinner, to an obedient child of God. and coming at that from an " if i havent experienced something, its impossible" << knowledge can be detrimental when it disagrees with Gods word.


Luke 5:32 "I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance."
 

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My hearts desire is to please the Lord - I walk after the spirit but I still lust after things of the flesh... more money a nice new F-150, for my kid to be the best football player on his team etc. I still get mad for the wrong reasons but the sad thing about is EVERYBODY on this forum does it too and either can't see the wrong in themsleves or think that it's ok for them.

It remainds me of a couple I went to church with years ago, they were holier than thou and really tried to lay a guilt trip on me because I was getting a divorce. Low and behold, would you believe that they actually got a divorce years later! And it was perfectly ok then because it was them. And here's the kicker... durning that time that they were condemning me, they were "swinging" with another couple at the church.

I know people, and I know you guys that say all this stuff about walking in the spirit are just like me... sinners!
Alright if this is what you believe.
 
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lol ok so i need to grow up and go ahead and gratify the flesh? and tell others walking in the spirit is saying i believe in the finished work of the cross yatta yatta....... i already grew out of that friend. but ill leave it there, was not intending to argue with you, just offering some scripture to clarify something. God bless either way.
I'm not advising anybody to gratify their flesh. Do me a favor before you quit talking to me lol, correct me on walking in the spirit... explain the meaning of Romans 8:9, just put it in your own words.

Here's how I paraphrase it. You are in the spirit and not in the flesh IF the Spirit of God dwells in you. There is no choice to either be in the spirit or in the flesh in that verse and that verse doesn't contradict any other verse in the bible.

Romans 8:9 KJV
But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
 
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Here's another one I would like for you guys to explain. Paul no longer sins but the sin that dwells in him sins. Why is it that Paul no longer sins?

Romans 7:16-17 KJV
If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good.
[17] Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
 
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"I know people, and I know you guys that say all this stuff about walking in the spirit are just like me... sinners!"


because you are limiting Gods ability to change a sinner, to an obedient child of God. and coming at that from an " if i havent experienced something, its impossible" << knowledge can be detrimental when it disagrees with Gods word.


Luke 5:32 "I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance."
Here lies a problem, I'm not saying anything contrary to what the bible teaches.
 

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Here's another one I would like for you guys to explain. Paul no longer sins but the sin that dwells in him sins. Why is it that Paul no longer sins?

Romans 7:16-17 KJV
If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good.
[17] Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
Again he is talking about what i said earlier when i said he is talking about being under the law, and still a slave to sin... He is saying that even when he tries to do right the sin nature inside of him is still... We are set free from that law and slavery.. Romans 8:2 The law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has set you free from the law of sin and death. .. can you accept this truth or no?
 

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How do we walk by the Spirit? How do we keep in step with the Spirit? What does that look like?
Study Matthew 5-7. Jesus tells us exactly what it means to walk in the spirit.
 
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I'm not advising anybody to gratify their flesh. Do me a favor before you quit talking to me lol, correct me on walking in the spirit... explain the meaning of Romans 8:9, just put it in your own words.

Here's how I paraphrase it. You are in the spirit and not in the flesh IF the Spirit of God dwells in you. There is no choice to either be in the spirit or in the flesh in that verse and that verse doesn't contradict any other verse in the bible.

Romans 8:9 KJV
But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
I'm not advising anybody to gratify their flesh. Do me a favor before you quit talking to me lol, correct me on walking in the spirit... explain the meaning of Romans 8:9, just put it in your own words."

you arent hearing me friend, its not my words you need, its Gods word. to understand romans 8:9. you need to let the rest of whats all around it in scripture define it, does that make sense.

listen, i apologize if you are offended, that wasnt my intention. you asked about me and my life. i have probably sinned more than most people in this forum, was an adulterer, alcoholic, drug addict, fornicator, took pleasure in violence, just to name a few. im telling you that what Gods word says about freedom from the old sinner in us all is absolutely 100 percent true. it means what it says. something as simple as believing Gods word, works wonders, true wonders in us. was i going to hell 15 years ago? i cant tell you either way, because I have a judge that i must stand before one day and make account of my deeds according to the Knowledge given to me. sin is defined as " knowing the right thing to do, and not doing it, to him it is sin."

like i said i dont know you or your life, i was honestly trying to make a very simple point that you have apparently not perceived, one verse isnt the story, all of the context around it matter in order to understand it.

as for that verse, you have to read from romans 6-8 because paul makes deep points and always we have to hear whats being said rather than choosing one scripture and omitting another let me show you where understanding that verse comes from

romans 8:5-14 "For they that are after the flesh do MIND THE THING OF THE FLESH; but they that are after the Spirit the THING OF THE SPIRIT. 6For to be carnally MINDED is death; but to be spiritually MINDED is life and peace. 7Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be. 8So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
9But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his. 10And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness. BUT IF the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also QUICKEN YOUR MORTAL BODIES by his Spirit that dwelleth IN YOU.
12Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh. 13For if YE LIVE AFTER THE FLESH, YE SHALL DIE: but if ye through the Spirit do MORTIFY THE DEEDS OF THE BODY, YE SHALL LIVE.14For as many as are LED BY the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God."


Do you see what a difference it makes when one verse isnt trying to be understood, while excluding the rest?

when you are seeing " by the spirit mortify the deeds of the body" its why i quoted this in my very first comment

john 6:63 "It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: THE WORDS THAT I SPEAK UNTO YOU , they ARE SPIRIT, and they are LIFE."

when paul is speaking about the spirit he is talking about Jesus word, the word of Christ, thats what mortifies our sin living in us.

im not gonna stop talking to you lol just letting this conversation go because it sems to have a potential to end up in an argument, and i was simply offering some scripture to you thats really clear in that first comment. im not at all looking down on you, trying to insult you, condemning you, accusing you, i was offering a bit of something that is true to add to your own understanding. you are always welcome to talk to me anytime about any subject, im just trying to not argue, so i appologize if i offended or insulted you.

God bless you, and keep you.