Was Jesus a radical or religious

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HumbleSaint

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Well there are many types of argument; here are some of them

Jesus was a rebel

Christianity is not religion it is a relationship

Jesus was not a rebel, ths is blasphamy, He went againt the traditions of the Pharasees who belived that you needed to wash your hands before you eat and other man made rules. The Bible says that rebelion is as the sin of witchcraft and to say that Jesus was a rebel is blasphamy. Satan and all his followers are rebels.

The biggest thing going around right now is that Christianity is not religion but a relationship. Well that sounds good, but what does the Bible say about this. Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and the widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted for the world. James 1:27. Well I guesss the Bible just called Christianity religion so their goes that theory. Now its true a person can focus to much on works and not on their faith in Christ. But true faith produces works. Because the Bible says Herby we do know that we know Him, If we keep his commandments. He commanded us to believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and love our Neighbour as ourselves. But in Romans it says all the law is fulfilled by loving our neighbour as ourselves because if we love we will not steal, committ adutery, kill, etc.
 
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yoej_ogart

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Funnily enough that's not how Jesus instructed us to pray. At all :)

5"And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by men. I tell you the truth, they have received their reward in full. 6But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you. 7And when you pray, do not keep on babbling like pagans, for they think they will be heard because of their many words. 8Do not be like them, for your Father knows what you need before you ask him. 9"This, then, is how you should pray:
" 'Our Father in heaven,
hallowed be your name,
10your kingdom come,
your will be done
on earth as it is in heaven.
11Give us today our daily bread.
12Forgive us our debts,
as we also have forgiven our debtors.
13And lead us not into temptation,
but deliver us from the evil one.[a]' 14For if you forgive men when they sin against you, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. 15But if you do not forgive men their sins, your Father will not forgive your sins.
Matthew 6: 1-15


You'll notice that we're still instructed to pray with great reverence. Yes, God is our Father, but He is also the Holy and Awesome Lord of Lords who deserves our awe and fear.



And technically yes, Christianity is a religion, and Jesus was religious. He butted heads with those Pharisees because they weren't just religious, they were twisting religion.
I don't understand this need to reject religion and make it only a relationship. Religion isn't a BAD thing, people! :)
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OKaayyy buddy, I'm not trying to reject religion! I don't know where your getting that.. but yes it's true religion I guess in some way is fine. But I just don't like being in that category. Because I don't walk around saying "I'm a religious strict person".. I walk around saying "I have a relationship with the bestest friend in the whole world and you should have that too!:)" (not saying I actually do..) but it's just my opinion.. Thank you though:) ..umm I am totally not saying exactly how to pray okay? I'm just making a point that I just don't think it's right.. He says that he didn't want us to be programmed robots well if we look up religious or religion it says a person very strongly into a religion as in monks or nuns ecs.. (not exact words) but yeah.. I didn't mean this against religious people. Because it does say in the Word, that no matter if your a religious or radical.. you are apart of the body! So as long as we follow Him and do what is righteous.. we are fine in His eyes:) God bless you!:)
 
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OKaayyy buddy, I'm not trying to reject religion! I don't know where your getting that.. but yes it's true religion I guess in some way is fine. But I just don't like being in that category. Because I don't walk around saying "I'm a religious strict person".. I walk around saying "I have a relationship with the bestest friend in the whole world and you should have that too!:)" (not saying I actually do..) but it's just my opinion.. Thank you though:) ..umm I am totally not saying exactly how to pray okay? I'm just making a point that I just don't think it's right.. He says that he didn't want us to be programmed robots well if we look up religious or religion it says a person very strongly into a religion as in monks or nuns ecs.. (not exact words) but yeah.. I didn't mean this against religious people. Because it does say in the Word, that no matter if your a religious or radical.. you are apart of the body! So as long as we follow Him and do what is righteous.. we are fine in His eyes:) God bless you!:)
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I'm not talking about you specifically, although you did say it's not a religion it's a relationship. I just mean the movement in general. "It's not religion! It's a relationship!"
It is religion, and it is a relationship. You can't have one or the other, in my opinion. There's nothing wrong with being viewed as a religious person, because the most "religious" people I know are the ones filled with the most heart for Him and have the best relationship with Him :)
 
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yoej_ogart

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I'm not talking about you specifically, although you did say it's not a religion it's a relationship. I just mean the movement in general. "It's not religion! It's a relationship!"
It is religion, and it is a relationship. You can't have one or the other, in my opinion. There's nothing wrong with being viewed as a religious person, because the most "religious" people I know are the ones filled with the most heart for Him and have the best relationship with Him :)
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I can agree with you.. but alot of religious people aren't filled with the spirit. So all I'm saying is that.. it doesn't matter what you go for(not much) but what really matters to Jesus and alot of us like me, is our hearts. So some religious people are dumb, others true at heart. Some radicals.. true at heart! But many I can see fumble away easier because they tend to forget His commandments..
 
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I can agree with you.. but alot of religious people aren't filled with the spirit. So all I'm saying is that.. it doesn't matter what you go for(not much) but what really matters to Jesus and alot of us like me, is our hearts. So some religious people are dumb, others true at heart. Some radicals.. true at heart! But many I can see fumble away easier because they tend to forget His commandments..
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In my opinion, if they just appear religious and don't have a heart or love for God, then they're not really religious. They're just going through the motions pretending to be religious.
 
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yoej_ogart

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In my opinion, if they just appear religious and don't have a heart or love for God, then they're not really religious. They're just going through the motions pretending to be religious.
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Well they also could just wanna be religious for the image.. orr they are really trying to be but are failing horribly lol
 
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yoej_ogart said:
Well they also could just wanna be religious for the image.. orr they are really trying to be but are failing horribly lol
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Haha, perhaps. Either way, that's only fake religious in my mind, and not real religion.
 
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Jesus is both radical and religious, I would say.

He is radical because he is different than the rest of us. He is knows all and is perfect, which makes him different than us.

He is religious in that he is motivated purely by love.
 
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Maddog

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But I'm not really religious.. those kind of people are so strict. Sure I follow Him but I don't like how some religious people treat others..
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You know, it's impossible to be a Christian and not be religious. You may have a different way of expressing your religion, but religion it remains.

For that matter, I'd say it's pretty impossible to be a human being and not be religious, since man is an intrinsically religious creature.
 
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He was love. He called the religeous snakes.
 
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glenwood74

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Jesus condemned those religious leaders who were religious for the wrong reasons. Good religion is when you allow your life to be transformed by Christ and you practice Christianity because you love God. Bad religion is when you practice a set of beliefs just to be accepted by, or feel superior to, your peers. It all depends on the context of the person who calls themselves religious. Jesus himself was radically religious!
 
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yoej_ogart

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glenwood74 said:
Jesus condemned those religious leaders who were religious for the wrong reasons. Good religion is when you allow your life to be transformed by Christ and you practice Christianity because you love God. Bad religion is when you practice a set of beliefs just to be accepted by, or feel superior to, your peers. It all depends on the context of the person who calls themselves religious. Jesus himself was radically religious!
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Yeah.. Amen!
 
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Yoej, perhaps you can explain to me what you mean by "radical"... I'm not exactly sure about how "radical" and "religious" are mutually exclusive.
 
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yoej_ogart

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Maddog said:
You know, it's impossible to be a Christian and not be religious. You may have a different way of expressing your religion, but religion it remains.

For that matter, I'd say it's pretty impossible to be a human being and not be religious, since man is an intrinsically religious creature.
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The thing is I don't go around as a strict Christian.. Yes I follow His commandments.. but when we are out there loving one another we can't force the faith on the nonbelievers.. nor can we get all strict on them! So I go the radical way when it comes to that, I just tell em about the amazing things Jesus has done as if he was a normal guy in this world.. and just be a friend to them and pray for them! So I'm both really.. just not as harsh as many Christians(not saying they are all that way)
 
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yoej_ogart

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Yoej, perhaps you can explain to me what you mean by "radical"... I'm not exactly sure about how "radical" and "religious" are mutually exclusive.
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Okay like.. radical christian would be someone who is very much like a religious christian but more fundamental with things. Now since many followers today have mixed up these two, it's hard to discuss.. So really they are both supposed to be put together into one word.. a follower! (radical Christian+religious Christian= a follower!)
for he says if you really love me you will leave all your things and follow me.. so yeah. But anyways, so a radical Christian is(or what they should be) a Christian who are radical in commitment, radical in faithfulness and prayer and devotion to the Lord and His work on earth! They depart from the usual or customary, like being in categories.. that's not what Jesus's people are about we are about going out there! Showing the world what God does for us! And what he makes us!(fun, loving, obedient, active ecs ecs..) annnd a religious Christian would be a a labeled Christian.. Now I'm not saying all religious Christians are like this.. but by us letting the world label and categorize us like this is just weird and wrong lol.. we shouldn't just be known as "thooose people" or "that kind of religion" but by the people who are free.. who have a relationship with an awesome Father.. the different people.. In my opinion.. I think when we are true followers? is when we are obedient and firm like a religious Christian and outgoing and loving like a radical Christian..(being put together)
 
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greatkraw

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religion is a word used to describe biblical christianity and a multitude of sins
 
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