Was There Animal Death Before Adam's Sin?
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Maybe my boldening and underlining certain parts of scripture is somehow blinding some of you to the answers in the scripture. How about I just allow the Lord to point the answers out to you?
Genesis 1:[SUP]14 [/SUP]And the Lord God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life:[SUP] 15 [/SUP]And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.[SUP] 16 [/SUP]Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.[SUP] 17 [/SUP]And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life;[SUP] 18 [/SUP]Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee; and thou shalt eat the herb of the field;[SUP] 19 [/SUP]In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.
Guess what else came from the earth that we can observed presently going to the ground besides mankind?
Genesis 1:[SUP]24 [/SUP]And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so.If the ground is cursed and the serpent was cursed "above" all living things, which certainly implies to me that all creation was cursed, then we can see why all of creation awaits the manifestations of the sons of God.
Romans 8:[SUP]19[/SUP]For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.[SUP]20 [/SUP]For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope,[SUP] 21[/SUP]Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.[SUP] 22 [/SUP]For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now. 23And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.
So there was no death before Adam's fall. Indeed, it was after Adam's fall that they had received coats of skins to cover their nakedness. Animals had to die then for that to happen which was after the fall of mankind & creation.
Genesis 1:[SUP]14 [/SUP]And the Lord God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life:[SUP] 15 [/SUP]And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.[SUP] 16 [/SUP]Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.[SUP] 17 [/SUP]And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life;[SUP] 18 [/SUP]Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee; and thou shalt eat the herb of the field;[SUP] 19 [/SUP]In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.
Guess what else came from the earth that we can observed presently going to the ground besides mankind?
Genesis 1:[SUP]24 [/SUP]And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so.If the ground is cursed and the serpent was cursed "above" all living things, which certainly implies to me that all creation was cursed, then we can see why all of creation awaits the manifestations of the sons of God.
Romans 8:[SUP]19[/SUP]For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.[SUP]20 [/SUP]For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope,[SUP] 21[/SUP]Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.[SUP] 22 [/SUP]For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now. 23And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.
So there was no death before Adam's fall. Indeed, it was after Adam's fall that they had received coats of skins to cover their nakedness. Animals had to die then for that to happen which was after the fall of mankind & creation.
Can you explain to me the reality we live in?
"In rocks more than 1 billion years old, only fossils of single-celled organisms are found. Moving to rocks that are about 550 million years old, fossils of simple, multicellular animals can be found. At 500 million years ago, ancient fish without jawbones surface; and at 400 million years ago, fish with jaws are found. Gradually, new animals appear: amphibians at 350 million years ago, reptiles at 300 million years ago, mammals at 230 million years ago, and birds at 150 million years ago.1 As the rocks become more and more recent, the fossils look increasingly like the animals we observe today"
Source: What does the fossil record show?
"In rocks more than 1 billion years old, only fossils of single-celled organisms are found. Moving to rocks that are about 550 million years old, fossils of simple, multicellular animals can be found. At 500 million years ago, ancient fish without jawbones surface; and at 400 million years ago, fish with jaws are found. Gradually, new animals appear: amphibians at 350 million years ago, reptiles at 300 million years ago, mammals at 230 million years ago, and birds at 150 million years ago.1 As the rocks become more and more recent, the fossils look increasingly like the animals we observe today"
Source: What does the fossil record show?
Let us be more precise.
Bible says that through one man the sin entered the world (not death, but sin).
And that through that sin also the death came and was spread to all men, because all men sinned.
But animals do not sin so their death is not a result of their sins.
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"Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all people, because all sinned..."
R 5:12, NIV
Bible says that through one man the sin entered the world (not death, but sin).
And that through that sin also the death came and was spread to all men, because all men sinned.
But animals do not sin so their death is not a result of their sins.
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"Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all people, because all sinned..."
R 5:12, NIV
There is no way of knowing (unless God reveals it to someone, and i know not) how long Adam and Eve lived in the Garden before satan tempted them to disobey God. If they lived there for 40 years before they fell into sin, then the answer is probably yes animals would have died naturally. If Adam and Eve lived in the Garden for a short time, like a month or two, then the answer is probably no, animal did not die. Since there is no way of knowing how long they lived in the Garden before their fall, there is no way to know that answer (unless God reveals it to someone).
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DiscipleDave
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DiscipleDave
The Bible says when sin entered the world death entered the world. It is that simple the Bible is right. Even for when dinosaurs died... just saying... to throw that out there... Eather G-d knows what He is talking about or He is an idiot... I'll go with G-d is the smart ones and the created people are idiots...
That's is fine if some believe that the spirit of all flesh is eternal if that is what they want to believe. Just as it fine if a mortal wants to believe that there is no such thing as a spirit. Do those who deny the truth yet believes in the Spirit have a greater hope than one who acknowledges the truth yet doesn't believe in the Spirit. As written in Romans 11:32; "For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all."
If you can believe all things, all things are possible to him that believes [See Mark 9:23] since faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of God. Wherein God, willing more abundantly to shew unto the heirs of promise the immutability of his counsel, confirmed it by an oath: All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: that he might make thee know that man doth not live by bread only, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of the LORD doth man live.
If you can believe all things, all things are possible to him that believes [See Mark 9:23] since faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of God. Wherein God, willing more abundantly to shew unto the heirs of promise the immutability of his counsel, confirmed it by an oath: All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: that he might make thee know that man doth not live by bread only, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of the LORD doth man live.
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Why was Adam and Eve kicked out of the Garden? Most people say because of their sin. But that is not so. Both Adam and Eve were given punishments by God for their sin. But why were they kicked out of the Garden of Eden? Scriptures teach they were kicked out so that they would not eat of the Tree of Life and live forever. Therefore, while in the Garden of Eden they were mortal, because if they would have eaten of the Tree of Life, they would then be immortal. So then Adam and Eve were created mortal, they started to age the moment they were created, and they would have lived forever if they would have eaten of the Tree of Life, but God cast them out of the Garden of Eden so that they would not live forever, that was not, nor ever was His intentions for Adam and Eve. God knew before He even created Adam and Eve that He was going to send His Son Jesus to be a Savior of the humans who would accept His Son. Therefore God knew Adam and Eve would eventually sin, not that He desired them to, but He knew what is in flesh, and that they would sin. Also God allowed satan in the Garden of Eden to begin with, What God did not know he was there? Seriously? God didn't know? God allowed satan in the Garden of Eden to do what satan does, to tempt them to disobey God. God can't tempt someone to disobey God, but satan can do that.
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There is no way of knowing (unless God reveals it to someone, and i know not) how long Adam and Eve lived in the Garden before satan tempted them to disobey God.
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There was much more to Adam and Eve's time in Eden than idle playtime.
Gen 2:
15) And the LORD God took the man, and put him into the garden of Eden to dress it and to keep it.
Also:
Gen 1:
28) And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.
God told them to be fruitful and multiply. They sinned before they even conceived their first child.
It is reasonable to conclude they were not in the garden very long.
Gen 2:
15) And the LORD God took the man, and put him into the garden of Eden to dress it and to keep it.
Also:
Gen 1:
28) And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.
God told them to be fruitful and multiply. They sinned before they even conceived their first child.
It is reasonable to conclude they were not in the garden very long.