WE ARE IN THE MIDST OF THE "REBELLION"/''FALLING AWAY" OF THE LAST DAYS

MichaelOwen · Dec 12, 2017

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Who told you that you were a prophet? I'm not discrediting your call and willingness to point people to Jesus, but who told you you that you were specifically a prophet? I would be VERY careful proclaiming to be something you're not. I'm no prophet, I'm just a man in sinful flesh, just as I perceive you to be just a woman in sinful flesh. It's VERY dangerous to fall into the hands of a living God and proclaim falsities in his name.

7777pinacled · Dec 12, 2017

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7777pinacled said:

That is likened to quenching the Spirit as an air hopelessness.

Or plainly speaking, No. you are mistaken.
Hisgalus 2Orthodox Jewish Bible (OJB)

2 To the malach (angel) of the Kehillah (Congregation) in Ephesus, write: These things says the One holding shivat hakokhavim (seven stars) in the yad yamin (right hand) of him, the One walking in the midst of the sheva menorot hazahav (seven golden menorahs):
2 I have da’as of your ma’asim (deeds) and your amal (toil) and the savlanut (patient endurance) of you [pl.] and that you cannot bear anshei resha (evil men), and have tested the ones making the claim that they are "Rebbe, Melech HaMoshiach’s shlichim" and are not, and found them kozvim (liars).
3 And you have savlanut (patient endurance), and you have persevered because of ha-Shem of me and have not become weary.
4 But I have this against you, that you abandoned your Ahavah HaRishonah. [YIRMEYAH 2:2]
5 Therefore, let there be zikaron (remembrance) of from where you have fallen and make teshuva (repentance, turning from sin to G-d) and do the Ma’asim HaRishonim; but, if not, I am coming to you [pl.] and I will remove your menorah from its place, unless you make teshuva.

Sin being measured by the hardness of ones Heart.
Romans 2
2 Therefore thou art inexcusable, O man, whosoever thou art that judgest: for wherein thou judgest another, thou condemnest thyself; for thou that judgest doest the same things.

2 But we are sure that the judgment of God is according to truth against them which commit such things.

3 And thinkest thou this, O man, that judgest them which do such things, and doest the same, that thou shalt escape the judgment of God?

4 Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance?

5 But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God;

They will go to war against the Lamb, but the Lamb will defeat them, because he is Lord of lords and King of kings, and those who are called, chosen and faithful will overcome along with him.”

Willie-T · Dec 12, 2017

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trofimus said:

Yeah, I'm leaning more toward about 10,000 years. But, like I said, not a single one of us knows.

eternally-gratefull · Dec 12, 2017

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We have been in the last days for 2000 Years now

While Jesus did give us signs to look for to know when the end of those “last days” are coming, it is kind of foolish to say we are definitely there now and the return of CHrist is imminent (again been that way for 2000 years now.

It may still be another 1000 years before he returns. Of that day and hour no man knows. So let’s please stop thinking we are better than the son of Man, who said he did not even know.

We need to focus on giving the gospel. Not scaring everyone to death, Fear never caused any reformation.

maxwel · Dec 12, 2017

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LightShinesInTheDarkness said:

This is the BIBLE DISCUSSION FORUM...

you did not give even ONE Bible verse.

Not one.

Not one Bible verse.

Until you quote some Bible to discuss, I can't see that we're having a Bible discussion.

LightShinesInTheDarkness · Dec 12, 2017

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Blain,

It is not unloving to state the truth, and God knows whether I am speaking the truth in love or not.

Was Jesus being unloving when He rebuked 5 of the seven churches in Asia province? They may not have thought He was being very nice or fair, but He loved them, and He was telling them the truth they needed to hear. "Nice" or pleasant does not equal loving; and what is loving is not always "nice" or pleasant. Nothing I stated was proud, rude, or mean---although it may have been offensive to those who need to be offended by it. (Do you think the Christians in those churches Jesus rebuked weren't offended by what He said about them?)

Christians who do not recognize that they are in the apostasy of the last days, are probably in some degree of apostasy, as I said (and there are degrees), because if they were not, God would have given them that understanding of the times. The more adherent to the commands of Christ and the teachings of the New Testament one is, living according to God's will by the personal faith that He gives them (which does not contradict the teachings and commands of the New Testament), the more understanding one will have. We don't have to like this fact, but it's the truth; and this fact and truth proves itself.

God generously gives understanding to those who love Him; and love for Jesus is obedience to His commands. There is no other "love" He recognizes.

I know that there are Christians with more understanding than me, but they would only add onto what I stated if they do have more understanding; they would not contradict it.

I encourage other believers to seek the Lord for the understanding that they need about these matters, with clean hands and a pure and humble heart, and a sincere mind. I can only declare the truth from Him; I can't make anyone receive it.

Perhaps it does require prophetic insight to know for certain that these days are in fact the rebellion that the Scriptures speak of, as Christianity has been in a state of apostasy for centuries. But this has been revealed to me, and to other Christians with the prophetic gift, for the benefit of the saints, to prepare them for the time soon to come. He will have to confirm the fact to you Himself.

Limey410v2 · Dec 12, 2017

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LightShinesInTheDarkness said:

Oh my goodness!!!! True Christians taking the mark, then God forsaking them....sounds terrifying.
Thank God for His Grace and mercy.

2Timothy 1:7 For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind.

What am I to do with that when you are trying to scare the b' Jesus (literally) out of me?

MichaelOwen · Dec 12, 2017

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LightShinesInTheDarkness said:

It is not unloving to state the truth, and God knows whether I am speaking the truth in love or not.

Was Jesus being unloving when He rebuked 5 of the seven churches in Asia province? They may not have thought He was being very nice or fair, but He loved them, and He was telling them the truth they needed to hear. "Nice" or pleasant does not equal loving; and what is loving is not always "nice" or pleasant. Nothing I stated was proud, rude, or mean---although it may have been offensive to those who need to be offended by it. (Do you think the Christians in those churches Jesus rebuked weren't offended by what He said about them?)

Christians who do not recognize that they are in the apostasy of the last days, are probably in some degree of apostasy, as I said (and there are degrees), because if they were not, God would have given them that understanding of the times. The more adherent to the commands of Christ and the teachings of the New Testament one is, living according to God's will by the personal faith that He gives them (which does not contradict the teachings and commands of the New Testament), the more understanding one will have. We don't have to like this fact, but it's the truth; and this fact and truth proves itself.

God generously gives understanding to those who love Him; and love for Jesus is obedience to His commands. There is no other "love" He recognizes.

I know that there are Christians with more understanding than me, but they would only add onto what I stated if they do have more understanding; they would not contradict it.

I encourage other believers to seek the Lord for the understanding that they need about these matters, with clean hands and a pure and humble heart, and a sincere mind. I can only declare the truth from Him; I can't make anyone receive it.

Perhaps it does require prophetic insight to know for certain that these days are in fact the rebellion that the Scriptures speak of, as Christianity has been in a state of apostasy for centuries. But this has been revealed to me, and to other Christians with the prophetic gift, for the benefit of the saints, to prepare them for the time soon to come. He will have to confirm the fact to you Himself.

Again you did not give us any verses from the Word. This is a Bible Discussion forum, please come with Scripture

garee · Dec 12, 2017

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MichaelOwen said:

We should be careful . A prophet is simply someone who declares the existing word of God .God is no longer bringing any new revelations as prophecy. It does not take away from our sinful flesh or add to it. Prophets are sinners..

Its how beautiful are the feet of those sent(apostle) , with feet representing the gospel. Not how beautiful is their mouth or lips as if God's word was after the will of man as a private interpretation .

A false prophets declares his own word saying ;thus says the Lord when the lord has no spoken... making the word of God without effect. We a kingdom of priests as apostles, prophets all have private interpretations (personal commentaries) of His interpretation that can error .. it does not make them false apostles but misinformed in a learning process

Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.2Pe 1:20

eternally-gratefull · Dec 12, 2017

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LightShinesInTheDarkness said:

It is not unloving to state the truth, and God knows whether I am speaking the truth in love or not.

Was Jesus being unloving when He rebuked 5 of the seven churches in Asia province? They may not have thought He was being very nice or fair, but He loved them, and He was telling them the truth they needed to hear. "Nice" or pleasant does not equal loving; and what is loving is not always "nice" or pleasant. Nothing I stated was proud, rude, or mean---although it may have been offensive to those who need to be offended by it. (Do you think the Christians in those churches Jesus rebuked weren't offended by what He said about them?)

Christians who do not recognize that they are in the apostasy of the last days, are probably in some degree of apostasy, as I said (and there are degrees), because if they were not, God would have given them that understanding of the times. The more adherent to the commands of Christ and the teachings of the New Testament one is, living according to God's will by the personal faith that He gives them (which does not contradict the teachings and commands of the New Testament), the more understanding one will have. We don't have to like this fact, but it's the truth; and this fact and truth proves itself.

God generously gives understanding to those who love Him; and love for Jesus is obedience to His commands. There is no other "love" He recognizes.

I know that there are Christians with more understanding than me, but they would only add onto what I stated if they do have more understanding; they would not contradict it.

I encourage other believers to seek the Lord for the understanding that they need about these matters, with clean hands and a pure and humble heart, and a sincere mind. I can only declare the truth from Him; I can't make anyone receive it.

Perhaps it does require prophetic insight to know for certain that these days are in fact the rebellion that the Scriptures speak of, as Christianity has been in a state of apostasy for centuries. But this has been revealed to me, and to other Christians with the prophetic gift, for the benefit of the saints, to prepare them for the time soon to come. He will have to confirm the fact to you Himself.

Should you not be more worried about bringing people to christ? Christians who are in the spirit will not be affected by tribulation, they will continue to trust Christ, those who are not yet there in their faith will (should ) have the church to help them when the time comes.

Spreading fear is not going to help anyone.

beastslayer1970 · Dec 12, 2017

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LightShinesInTheDarkness said:

POINTS:

We ARE in the midst of the 'falling away' (of Christians from Jesus Christ) that precedes the revealing of the anti-christ

If you don't know this (don't recognize this major sign of the times), you're probably a part of the apostasy...

There will not be a last-days 'revival' of the Church or the saints---just more and more apostasy, until...

The anti-christ is revealed; all the Christians who thought they were going to be raptured before the Tribulation are dismayed to find out they were wrong; most Christians (apostate, rebellious, true Christians, not 'fake Christians') forsake Christ and take the mark of the beast, thus forfeiting their salvation (which they believe they can't forfeit, thanks to Once-Saved-Always-Saved...); most of the rest of us, those who remain faithful to Jesus, conquer/overcome the beast by martyrdom.

ALL OF IT TRUE.

(If you don't believe it, you're about to find out that it is.)

The spirit of antichrist was revealed over 2,000 year ago, Just as John warned us about.

beastslayer1970 · Dec 12, 2017

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Blain said:

Interesting comments and my comment to you is certainly not in defense of the OP.
In defense of the Bible, it does tell us who is part of the Apostasy, which has already commenced.

I do agree with what you said to the OP, just not the part about that only God knows, The Bible warns us for sure.

Gracie_14 · Dec 12, 2017

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Willie-T said:

lol… no comment

beastslayer1970 · Dec 12, 2017

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trofimus said:

Did the manifestation of the spirit of and actual antichrists stop after john wrote these things?

1 John 2:18
Children, it is the last hour; and just as you heard that antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have appeared; from this we know that it is the last hour.

1 John 2:22
Who is the liar but the one who denies that Jesus is the Christ? This is the antichrist, the one who denies the Father and the Son.

1 John 4:3

and every spirit that does not confess Jesus is not from God; this is the spirit of the antichrist, of which you have heard that it is coming, and now it is already in the world.

2 John 1:7

For many deceivers have gone out into the world, those who do not acknowledge Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh. This is the deceiver and the antichrist.

Gracie_14 · Dec 12, 2017

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MichaelOwen said:

wow, i think i can see some jealousy here.

a prophet, btw, is one who prophesies (recieving and giving messages from the Lord) i dont know, but i do hear of false prophets. the ones pretending to be hearing from God but actually are being used the devil. but i dont think LightShinesInTheDarkness bis one to be so concerned with. you cant judge so fast. just saying!

trofimus · Dec 12, 2017

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beastslayer1970 said:

Did the manifestation of the spirit of and actual antichrists stop after john wrote these things?

1 John 2:18
Children, it is the last hour; and just as you heard that antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have appeared; from this we know that it is the last hour.

1 John 2:22
Who is the liar but the one who denies that Jesus is the Christ? This is the antichrist, the one who denies the Father and the Son.

1 John 4:3

and every spirit that does not confess Jesus is not from God; this is the spirit of the antichrist, of which you have heard that it is coming, and now it is already in the world.

2 John 1:7

For many deceivers have gone out into the world, those who do not acknowledge Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh. This is the deceiver and the antichrist.

She obviously meant the final antichrist.

Gracie_14 · Dec 12, 2017

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maxwel said:

very true. i agree. where is the Bible verses to back up the statements? what theis new member is saying is quite true but we must not rely on just these words but what the Bible bas to say to this

LightShinesInTheDarkness · Dec 12, 2017

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Willie-T said:

Woe to those who put darkness for light and light for darkness.

If you think I am angry, wait until you see what YOUR GOD, my Master, does. (Most Christians have no idea how He ACTUALLY feels about their apostasy/rebellion against Him; but His prophets, and those who truly love Him, and those who are spiritually mature, DO know.)

Righteous indignation is offensive to those who do not understand that it is justified. I am no angrier than Jesus is right now. Furious, and heartbroken! Whatever you or any other Christian wants to believe about what I posted, or about God and how He is or feels or works, everyone will know soon enough that I was telling the truth, and that I was not speaking presumptuously.

Monnkai · Dec 12, 2017

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LightShinesInTheDarkness said:

Blain,

It is not unloving to state the truth, and God knows whether I am speaking the truth in love or not.

Was Jesus being unloving when He rebuked 5 of the seven churches in Asia province? They may not have thought He was being very nice or fair, but He loved them, and He was telling them the truth they needed to hear. "Nice" or pleasant does not equal loving; and what is loving is not always "nice" or pleasant. Nothing I stated was proud, rude, or mean---although it may have been offensive to those who need to be offended by it. (Do you think the Christians in those churches Jesus rebuked weren't offended by what He said about them?)

Christians who do not recognize that they are in the apostasy of the last days, are probably in some degree of apostasy, as I said (and there are degrees), because if they were not, God would have given them that understanding of the times. The more adherent to the commands of Christ and the teachings of the New Testament one is, living according to God's will by the personal faith that He gives them (which does not contradict the teachings and commands of the New Testament), the more understanding one will have. We don't have to like this fact, but it's the truth; and this fact and truth proves itself.

God generously gives understanding to those who love Him; and love for Jesus is obedience to His commands. There is no other "love" He recognizes.

I know that there are Christians with more understanding than me, but they would only add onto what I stated if they do have more understanding; they would not contradict it.

I encourage other believers to seek the Lord for the understanding that they need about these matters, with clean hands and a pure and humble heart, and a sincere mind. I can only declare the truth from Him; I can't make anyone receive it.

Perhaps it does require prophetic insight to know for certain that these days are in fact the rebellion that the Scriptures speak of, as Christianity has been in a state of apostasy for centuries. But this has been revealed to me, and to other Christians with the prophetic gift, for the benefit of the saints, to prepare them for the time soon to come. He will have to confirm the fact to you Himself.

Let those without sin cast the first stone. Are you without sin? Because your casting stones.

trofimus · Dec 12, 2017

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LightShinesInTheDarkness said:

So far, you are still trying to make a conflict.

"Most Christians have no idea", "if you do not believe me, you will learn it yourself", "everyone will know soon enough", "I am not angrier than Jesus is right now", "Christians who do not recognize that they are in the apostasy of the last days, are probably in some degree of apostasy"...

But also so far, you said nothing useful or for building anybody. No information. No comfort. No knowledge.

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