WE ARE IN THE MIDST OF THE "REBELLION"/''FALLING AWAY" OF THE LAST DAYS

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Here are a couple more examples of prophecy changing:

Nathan was a true prophet of God and prophesied that David would have peace in his kingdom (2 Sam. 7:11). But then David sinned by having Uriah killed and committing adultery with Bathsheba, so the prophecy changed, “Now, therefore, the sword will never depart from your house” (2 Sam. 12:10).

Nathan also told Solomon that God would establish his kingdom (2 Sam. 7:12). But when Solomon turned from God that prophecy was nullified, and God said He would tear the kingdom away from Solomon (1 Kings 11:11).
Lol.. God did not tear it away from Solomon, he did it from his son, but not completely. (Read the whole passage)

David did have years of peace. Peace was ALWAYS dependent on following God, God said if they did not obey him, he would remove their security (see Lev 26)

 
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But He did, several times.

Isn't "relenting of what He might do" changing prophesy?

You guys are avoiding the obvious.

There are some prophesies that are absolute, and shall come to pass. One example:

Acts 1:
11) Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.

That absolutely will happen.

But many prophesies are conditional, and they can and do change. Some examples are given above.
God relenting on punishment is not the same as relenting on prophesy.

God said after 69 weeks messiah would come, Did messiah come? Was he not cut off immediately after?

God said there would be 4 gentile kingdoms, Babylon, Media Peoria, Greece and Rome, did those things nbot occure

God said after these 4 kingdoms, His son would come and destroy their rule, and set up his kingdom. Is god going to relent from doing that?
 

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Lol.. God did not tear it away from Solomon, he did it from his son, but not completely. (Read the whole passage)
So this was a false prophecy?

1 Kings 11:
11) Wherefore the LORD said unto Solomon, Forasmuch as this is done of thee, and thou hast not kept my covenant and my statutes, which I have commanded thee, I will surely rend the kingdom from thee, and will give it to thy servant.

David did have years of peace. Peace was ALWAYS dependent on following God, God said if they did not obey him, he would remove their security (see Lev 26)
Sigh. To defend your belief, "Prophesy does not change", you are ignoring the obvious.

Some prophecies are conditional, and they can, and do, change.
 

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God relenting on punishment is not the same as relenting on prophesy.

God said after 69 weeks messiah would come, Did messiah come? Was he not cut off immediately after?

God said there would be 4 gentile kingdoms, Babylon, Media Peoria, Greece and Rome, did those things nbot occure

God said after these 4 kingdoms, His son would come and destroy their rule, and set up his kingdom. Is god going to relent from doing that?
Those are other examples of prophesies that did, or will, come to pass.
 
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That is likened to quenching the Spirit as an air hopelessness.

Or plainly speaking, No. you are mistaken.
Hisgalus 2Orthodox Jewish Bible (OJB)

2 To the malach (angel) of the Kehillah (Congregation) in Ephesus, write: These things says the One holding shivat hakokhavim (seven stars) in the yad yamin (right hand) of him, the One walking in the midst of the sheva menorot hazahav (seven golden menorahs):
2 I have da’as of your ma’asim (deeds) and your amal (toil) and the savlanut (patient endurance) of you [pl.] and that you cannot bear anshei resha (evil men), and have tested the ones making the claim that they are "Rebbe, Melech HaMoshiach’s shlichim" and are not, and found them kozvim (liars).
3 And you have savlanut (patient endurance), and you have persevered because of ha-Shem of me and have not become weary.
4 But I have this against you, that you abandoned your Ahavah HaRishonah. [YIRMEYAH 2:2]
5 Therefore, let there be zikaron (remembrance) of from where you have fallen and make teshuva (repentance, turning from sin to G-d) and do the Ma’asim HaRishonim; but, if not, I am coming to you [pl.] and I will remove your menorah from its place, unless you make teshuva.





Sin being measured by the hardness of ones Heart.
Romans 2
2 Therefore thou art inexcusable, O man, whosoever thou art that judgest: for wherein thou judgest another, thou condemnest thyself; for thou that judgest doest the same things.


2 But we are sure that the judgment of God is according to truth against them which commit such things.


3 And thinkest thou this, O man, that judgest them which do such things, and doest the same, that thou shalt escape the judgment of God?


4 Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance?


5 But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God;

As stewards we are to encourage one another. If any were to come into the fold that have been down trodden. Remember that there is always healing in the wings of his own.
Remember even as it was written that even great men such as Moses and Elijah once ran. Though it is written in such a manner. I heard that they were called.
2 Peter 3:9King James Version (KJV)
9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

John 16:33Complete Jewish Bible (CJB)
33 “I have said these things to you so that, united with me, you may have shalom. In the world, you have tsuris. But be brave! I have conquered the world!”



 
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Those are other examples of prophesies that did, or will, come to pass.
what is the purpose of prophesy?
 
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So this was a false prophecy?

1 Kings 11:
11) Wherefore the LORD said unto Solomon, Forasmuch as this is done of thee, and thou hast not kept my covenant and my statutes, which I have commanded thee, I will surely rend the kingdom from thee, and will give it to thy servant.



Sigh. To defend your belief, "Prophesy does not change", you are ignoring the obvious.

Some prophecies are conditional, and they can, and do, change.
Nope it was not a false prophesy. It was a judgment, not a prophesy to begin with,

even if you think it is a prophesy, Why do you continue to ignore the rest of the passage?


Therefore the Lord said to Solomon, “Because you have done this, and have not kept My covenant and My statutes, which I have commanded you, I will surely tear the kingdom away from you and give it to your servant. 12 Nevertheless I will not do it in your days, for the sake of your father David; I will tear it out of the hand of your son. 13 However I will not tear away the whole kingdom; I will give one tribe to your son for the sake of My servant David, and for the sake of Jerusalem which I have chosen.”
 
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If I say to my child, If you are not home but 11:00, I will punish you, I am not prophesying, I am giving a punishment which will occur if she does not obey me (Solomon had disobeyed God, thats why he was being judged) I also have the right if my child is late, to relent from punishing her, or giving a lighter punishment.

 
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True Christians do sin.. But sinning is not rebellion unless it is wilful sin.. We all sin but true Christians never seek to justify their sinning or declare their sins to be anything else but transgressions against the will of God.. People who seek to justify their sins are rejecting the Word of God.. So if Jesus says love your enemy and turn your cheek a true Christian might lash out against someone who has slapped them in a burst of anger and break their enemies jaw.. But they will not then go on to declare they where justified and what they did was right and good.. They will acknowledge they have sinned against the LORD as David did in the OT when he was confronted with his sin with Bathsheba and her husband..



The chastisement of God does not lead to us becoming sinless in this life.. It does however improve our performance in sin avoidance to a degree.. But again you seem to see sin as rebellion in itself.. while i see willful sin as true rebellion in the spirit.. Once a persons sins become willful sinning then they are no longer acknowledging or believing their sins are sins... Being willful means to have an in your face attitude against the will of God..

Been good discussing these things with you LightShinesInTheDarkness i have watched a few of your video's also..

There is definitely a difference between willful sin (rebellion) and mistakes. All sin isn't rebellion. Christians can do both, and they can also repent of both.

What David did was rebellion; he willfully sinned against the LORD ("utterly scorned" Him, 2 Samuel 12:14), knowing full well what he was doing. And he had plenty of time to think about it while he was conspiring to murder Bathsheba's husband. He was able to shut out the convictions of the Holy Spirit, and the Law of the LORD, which he knew, in order to carry out this sin that he had his heart set on--a testament to the capacity of the sinful nature, even in saints; even in a saint like David.

(The sinful nature is no less depraved in a saved person than it is in an unsaved person. God knows what it is capable of better than we do. We underestimate it, but God, thankfully, does not.)

Even though David rebelled, he repented, and God forgave him, even though He chastened him severely. And Christians who rebel against God, can repent and be forgiven---if it is not a sin that leads to death.

The indictment and outrage that the Lord has against most of His saints today is that they DO know that what they are doing (or are not doing as they should be) is wrong, but they are justifying what they are doing to themselves, refusing to listen to His correction and avoiding conviction by all means, whether by hardening themselves against the voice and promptings of His Spirit, or by picking and choosing what they read in His Word to suit themselves, or by gathering to themselves---intentionally---teachers who will tell them what they want to hear, and despising or ignoring the chastening of the Lord.

The Bible refers to the time preceding the revealing of the antichrist as the REBELLION (both in Daniel and in 2 Thessalonians)---of Christians (not unsaved people)---because, just like in the time of Jeremiah and Ezekiel and the other old testament prophets, the spirit of His people is a spirit of defiance, indifference, and stubbornness.

This is not a time of Christians merely making mistakes and being ignorant; they know what the word of God says and they do not put up with it. They twist it and defy it, or just refuse to read it.

And their ignorance about many things is a result of them not applying what they DO know so that God might add to their understanding of things they need to know, as well as a result of their not seeking for understanding (because they are busy doing other things they deem more important---like having fun or making more money.)

They do know (or could know and should know) what God wants them to do and what He commands them to do---as do/could their pastors---but they do not do it. Because they love themselves, and money, and pleasure, etc., just as the Scriptures declare that Christians will in the last days, when the love of most grows cold.

The most horrible thing about this is that they have the grace of God available to them to obey Him, all day long, day after day, and they are squandering it, and forcing Jesus Christ---who died to give them that grace, and to whom they belong---to endure their sins, as His name is blasphemed by the unsaved because of the evil, irreverent and foolish behavior of apostate Christians. Do you have any idea how angry and sad that makes our Lord? (They don't. And they don't even care. WRETCHED.)

And they won't be able to blame their pastors for their rebellion, because they choose to listen to them over the word of God. The pastors will be judged for sure (remember Jesus' warning about the one who causes one of His little ones to sin being better off having a millstone hanged around his neck and drowned in the sea? And the warning in James to those who teach doctrine?); but so will those who listen to their pastors instead of God.

We all have His Word; we can read it. We all have His Spirit; we can listen to Him. So there is no excuse. It's just plain old rebellion.

An appalling and horrible thing has happened in the land:
the prophets prophesy falsely,
and the priests rule by their own authority;
AND MY PEOPLE LOVE IT SO...

(Jeremiah 5:30,31)

For they are a rebellious people, lying children,
children unwilling to hear the instruction of the LORD;
who say to the seers, "Do not see,"
and to the prophets, "Do not prophesy to us what is right;
speak to us smooth things, prophesy illusions,
leave the way, turn aside from the path,
let us hear no more about the Holy One of Israel."
(Isaiah 30:9-11)

This is the spirit of the times among Christians.

What Jesus said about those who do evil not coming to the light for fear of their sins being exposed is not just true of the unsaved; Christians who are willfully sinning run from Him too. They run from His word, they run from His prophets, they try to muffle His Spirit. They don't want to be convicted because their hearts are set on themselves. They know they're doing wrong and they feel guilty, but they aren't penitent. They just want to get away from the discomfort of their conviction because they've already decided to keep doing what they're doing.

They want talk about Jesus, do things "for Him", wear Him on their clothes and jewelry (the irony), but they don't really want Jesus. They want to do what they want to do, and they don't want Jesus to interfere. All their Christian bric-a-brac, Christian activities, and empty talk is fig-leaves. God sees right through it, and will judge them accordingly.

And they wonder why I don't have anything good to say to most of them. I wish I did. But these are not good times, just as Jeremiah's times were not good times. They are spiritually PERILOUS times.

God's people don't need to hear any more sweet nothings; they have plenty of people to tell them such things. They need to hear the truth for their own good, even if they don't want it (which most of them do not). And the truth is that those who are compromising what they know to do and those who are rebelling against God need to repent, now. THAT is what the Lord is saying to the majority of His people and what they need to hear---NOT jokes, cute anecdotes, lying visions, and God's promises without His conditions.


 
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There is definitely a difference between willful sin (rebellion) and mistakes. All sin isn't rebellion. Christians can do both, and they can also repent of both.
wow. All sin is not rebellion, You heard it here first folks, We can excuse our sin, because it was nbot rebellion, it was just a booboo.

I am sorry God, i did not mean it, it was a boo boo, it is not like I commited murder, or adultry or coveted all the people who had better things than me.
 
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There is definitely a difference between willful sin (rebellion) and mistakes. All sin isn't rebellion. Christians can do both, and they can also repent of both.

What David did was rebellion; he willfully sinned against the LORD ("utterly scorned" Him, 2 Samuel 12:14), knowing full well what he was doing. And he had plenty of time to think about it while he was conspiring to murder Bathsheba's husband. He was able to shut out the convictions of the Holy Spirit, and the Law of the LORD, which he knew, in order to carry out this sin that he had his heart set on--a testament to the capacity of the sinful nature, even in saints; even in a saint like David.

(The sinful nature is no less depraved in a saved person than it is in an unsaved person. God knows what it is capable of better than we do. We underestimate it, but God, thankfully, does not.)

Even though David rebelled, he repented, and God forgave him, even though He chastened him severely. And Christians who rebel against God, can repent and be forgiven---if it is not a sin that leads to death.

The indictment and outrage that the Lord has against most of His saints today is that they DO know that what they are doing (or are not doing as they should be) is wrong, but they are justifying what they are doing to themselves, refusing to listen to His correction and avoiding conviction by all means, whether by hardening themselves against the voice and promptings of His Spirit, or by picking and choosing what they read in His Word to suit themselves, or by gathering to themselves---intentionally---teachers who will tell them what they want to hear, and despising or ignoring the chastening of the Lord.

The Bible refers to the time preceding the revealing of the antichrist as the REBELLION (both in Daniel and in 2 Thessalonians)---of Christians (not unsaved people)---because, just like in the time of Jeremiah and Ezekiel and the other old testament prophets, the spirit of His people is a spirit of defiance, indifference, and stubbornness.

This is not a time of Christians merely making mistakes and being ignorant; they know what the word of God says and they do not put up with it. They twist it and defy it, or just refuse to read it.

And their ignorance about many things is a result of them not applying what they DO know so that God might add to their understanding of things they need to know, as well as a result of their not seeking for understanding (because they are busy doing other things they deem more important---like having fun or making more money.)

They do know (or could know and should know) what God wants them to do and what He commands them to do---as do/could their pastors---but they do not do it. Because they love themselves, and money, and pleasure, etc., just as the Scriptures declare that Christians will in the last days, when the love of most grows cold.

The most horrible thing about this is that they have the grace of God available to them to obey Him, all day long, day after day, and they are squandering it, and forcing Jesus Christ---who died to give them that grace, and to whom they belong---to endure their sins, as His name is blasphemed by the unsaved because of the evil, irreverent and foolish behavior of apostate Christians. Do you have any idea how angry and sad that makes our Lord? (They don't. And they don't even care. WRETCHED.)

And they won't be able to blame their pastors for their rebellion, because they choose to listen to them over the word of God. The pastors will be judged for sure (remember Jesus' warning about the one who causes one of His little ones to sin being better off having a millstone hanged around his neck and drowned in the sea? And the warning in James to those who teach doctrine?); but so will those who listen to their pastors instead of God.

We all have His Word; we can read it. We all have His Spirit; we can listen to Him. So there is no excuse. It's just plain old rebellion.

An appalling and horrible thing has happened in the land:
the prophets prophesy falsely,
and the priests rule by their own authority;
AND MY PEOPLE LOVE IT SO...

(Jeremiah 5:30,31)

For they are a rebellious people, lying children,
children unwilling to hear the instruction of the LORD;
who say to the seers, "Do not see,"
and to the prophets, "Do not prophesy to us what is right;
speak to us smooth things, prophesy illusions,
leave the way, turn aside from the path,
let us hear no more about the Holy One of Israel."
(Isaiah 30:9-11)

This is the spirit of the times among Christians.

What Jesus said about those who do evil not coming to the light for fear of their sins being exposed is not just true of the unsaved; Christians who are willfully sinning run from Him too. They run from His word, they run from His prophets, they try to muffle His Spirit. They don't want to be convicted because their hearts are set on themselves. They know they're doing wrong and they feel guilty, but they aren't penitent. They just want to get away from the discomfort of their conviction because they've already decided to keep doing what they're doing.

They want talk about Jesus, do things "for Him", wear Him on their clothes and jewelry (the irony), but they don't really want Jesus. They want to do what they want to do, and they don't want Jesus to interfere. All their Christian bric-a-brac, Christian activities, and empty talk is fig-leaves. God sees right through it, and will judge them accordingly.

And they wonder why I don't have anything good to say to most of them. I wish I did. But these are not good times, just as Jeremiah's times were not good times. They are spiritually PERILOUS times.

God's people don't need to hear any more sweet nothings; they have plenty of people to tell them such things. They need to hear the truth for their own good, even if they don't want it (which most of them do not). And the truth is that those who are compromising what they know to do and those who are rebelling against God need to repent, now. THAT is what the Lord is saying to the majority of His people and what they need to hear---NOT jokes, cute anecdotes, lying visions, and God's promises without His conditions.


I Hope you understand what the enemy is doing in your life at the moment. Deception comes from those who are of the world.
It is highly unhealthy for your Soul to weary yourself as you are in preaching despair.

If you have not learned the strength in forgiveness, the enemy will surround you with wicked counsel. Which is why a believer is not to be unequally yoked. Either you seek the Lord with all your Heart and likewise seek neighbors whom will keep you from being deceived. Or you Stand up and Call the satan a Liar, murderer, and thief as it is.
Only the strongest sit where Yov(job) once sat. Be not deceived.

1 Corinthians 1:9
God, who has called you into fellowship with His Son Jesus Christ our Lord, is faithful.



Hebrews 10:23
Let us hold resolutely to the hope we confess, for He who promised is faithful.

So the Lord knows how to rescue the godly from trials and how to hold the wicked until the Day of Judgment while continuing to punish them, 10 especially those who follow their old natures in lust for filth and who despise authority.
 
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But He did, several times.

Isn't "relenting of what He might do" changing prophesy?

You guys are avoiding the obvious.

There are some prophesies that are absolute, and shall come to pass. One example:

Acts 1:
11) Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.

That absolutely will happen.

But many prophesies are conditional, and they can and do change. Some examples are given above.

Prophecies & Conditionals


To say that SOME prophecies are CONDITIONAL, and can have conditions based upon PRIOR STATEMENTS OF GOD, is NOT to say "prophecies change whenever circumstances change" as if all prophecies are arbitrary and virtually meaningless, and can be changed by any variety of circumstances.

No.

Just no.



Prophecies WILL come to pass unless contingent upon PRIOR CONDITIONALS which MUST LOGICALLY cause their RESULTS to be WITHHELD when the conditions are met.

* This is NOT to say all prophecies are arbitrary and weak things which are prone to change or failure.

* This IS to say ALL OF GOD'S WORD IS ABSOLUTE AND TRUE, including his conditional statements... conditional statements which can be VERIFIED in scripture.



Prophecy & False Prophecy:

A. Deuteronomy clearly states the measure of a prophet is whether or not his prophecies come to pass.

B. If his prophecies do NOT come to pass, he is a false prophet, worthy of death.

C. There IS NO CHANGE of a prophecy if it was contingent on some conditional statement, and thus "withheld"... it is not changed, just "withheld"... this just shows God has kept ALL of his word, even the parts we didn't notice.

D. Prophecies do not CHANGE, but the RESULT of the prophesy may be WITHHELD due to God's own word creating conditionals... and these conditionals can be VERIFIED in the scripture.

E. False prophets usually claim some kind of CONDITIONAL to justify their false prophecies, and their conditional is usually something ridiculous. They aren't hard to spot if you study the Bible.


False prophets are STILL false prophets,
and we STILL measure them by their prophecies FAILING.



 
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To be clear, Shrume will never listen to anyone because he alone holds all truth. So, my rebuttal is not to Shrume, but to those who might buy the pile of manure he's trying to sell today.

Isaiah and Jonah were prophets.

Tourist claimed:
In Isa 38, Isaiah spoke “by the word of the Lord” (he prophesied) that Hezekiah was about to die. It did not happen. Instead, Hezekiah prayed, and God gave him 15 more years.

In Jonah 3:4, Jonah prophesied that Nineveh was about to be overthrown. It did not happen. Instead, Nineveh repented.

The point is that prophesies can sometimes change when circumstances change.
The prophets in the OT were truly prophets. We know this because their words appear in the Bible, and thus are inspired by the Lord.

And we also know that prophets had to be 100% accurate, or they'd be killed.

With that, Isaiah was not fibbing that the Lord told him Hezekiah would die. There's a phrase used today that explains what happened then. "Foxhole confession." It happens that often. The moment someone is sure he/she is going to die, he/she has one of two reactions:
1. Beg for mercy from the Lord.
2. Curse God.

Same thing when presented with the gospel. I'm pretty sure Shrume is all about proving he knows all, so might actually forget that salvation does come with effectual calling. God calls. We come. This isn't merely a Calvinist understanding. This is understood any any variation of Order of Salvation any truly Christian church has. (Do understand, I do not think all the views described in wiki are truly Christian.) The only difference is another group -- traditional -- calls it "drawing."

This is what happened to Hezekiah. God tells him he's going to die, and Hezekiah suddenly realizes it's time to beg for his life. God knew the purpose of his words and the outcome, so it was a true prophecy. Had God not chosen to accept Hezekiah prayers, he would have died. And, yes, since God is omniscient, he knew what would happen, because he caused it.

As for Jonah? Same deal. He told Nineveh the obvious. And the reason he was angry with God to begin with is because he knew what God was going to do -- save Nineveh! Had he thought God was going to wipe out the inhabitants of Nineveh after he prophesied, he would have gladly taken the boat to them, not away from them. If God called an American to go prophesy to the Taliban to repent on September 12th, 2001, you'd get why the American wouldn't want to go. If God wants to wipe someone off the face of the earth for their sins, no prophet is needed. Look at Edom for proof of that.

So the "they got it wrong" crap is just that -- crap! They got it right. God had them tell who they were telling because they were truly going to die unless they repented. And still, God sent them knowing they would repent.

God STILL does not change his mind.

Don't listen to anyone who teaches he does! (aka don't listen to Shrume and the other "I can do a better job than God" preachers.)

And this is why they killed false prophets. Look what happens when we don't do anything with a false teacher. They multiply like a virus, and invade the whole system.
 
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oh really? you're just being brainwashed to believe that all this is nonsense coming out of some crazy religious fanatics. i know who i listen to. and btw, i dont watch tv preachers that much (as you may do) i just pay attention to the Word and what God says. and it sems you're not reading the Bible the way you should. pity you…
Ummm, are their TV preachers that do nothing but false prophecies too? I wouldn't know, but seems you do.

I don't think you're getting this junk off the TV. I think you're being indoctrinated by your church into it.

You say pay attention to God's word? Really? What is the Bible about? All of it -- not just the pick-and-choose verses you hear about all the time.

Seems to me, your understanding of what the Bible is all about is "life is going to be horrible for us."

Whereas the truth is the Bible is about God, not us. It's all about his glory, his plan, and, yes, some of that plan includes some of us, but it's about him. And he is glorious, not terrifying like you're being taught.

BTW, you really aren't into learning, since you seem to think you're job is to teach everyone who doesn't know all you know.

Clue: My job and your job is found in Titus 2. I'm trying to teach you something of the Lord, and you're busy thinking it's your job to teach me. I'll give you, I can learn from someone any age, but not when they act like a child. You're 16. Stop acting like you're 6.
 
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One thing I think we are overlooking is that all Prophets spoke with one objective.... to warn people to change their ways.... not to simply condemn and scare them, leaving them shaking in their boots till they were destroyed.

Prophecy was never to simply predict a hopeless future (as we have come to abuse the book of Revelation)
 

NayborBear

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Re: WE ARE IN THE MIDST OF THE "REBELLION"/''FALLING AWAY" OF THE LAST DAYS

Lemme give y'all what "my" interpretation, of what's goin' on.


Psalm 110 King James Version (KJV)
The Lord said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.

THIS? Is a Prophecy, of what is happening right before our very eyes! At THIS/these very moments!

Now, the Father is going TO accomplish His WILL, concerning this matter!

Fact is, He has released some of His Priests, in His fulfilling these fine works of His Mighty will!
These Priests, are, for the most part, in abject HORROR, not to mention, heartbreakingly dissapointed, at how LITTLE help, and aid from the "churchianity community", is being rendered.
TAKE HEED! God SHALL accomplish this! (Hopefully) WITH your help! Irregardless! This SHALL take place! (the clock is ticking!)

Acts-14: (KJV)
[SUP]22 [/SUP]Confirming the souls of the disciples, and exhorting them to continue in the faith, and that we must through much tribulation enter into the kingdom of God.

Or? Y'all can keep singing "Jesus LOVES ME!"...And continue sitting on yer hands! Like so many "lobsters in a pot!"
 
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Re: WE ARE IN THE MIDST OF THE "REBELLION"/''FALLING AWAY" OF THE LAST DAYS

These prophecies will be fulfilled in the future. God may relent of what He might do but one thing that He will not do is change prophecy.
Remember how Satan, the four-legged snake, took God's words to Adam and Eve and twisted them, just a little? Shrume is playing the same game. 2 Sam. 7:11 is in a bigger chunk of words God was saying to Nathan, about God's house and a covenant God was making with his people through David. See how easy it is for Shrume to pick it apart to make it say whatever he wanted it to say?

This is what he does. Whenever he uses one little verse, it's not to talk about God. It's to prove-a-point outside of God.

The truth is God has made peace with his people. Jesus died on that cross to bring us that peace.

(Excuse me. If I keep going, it's just going to be a praise fest.)
 
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Re: WE ARE IN THE MIDST OF THE "REBELLION"/''FALLING AWAY" OF THE LAST DAYS

Don't believe anyone is talking about Judgement, "Straw-Man!" :p:p
No, just the ones who understand what they're talking about.

(Ha! EG? Ever think you'd see me sticking up for you? lol)
 
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Lol.. God did not tear it away from Solomon, he did it from his son, but not completely. (Read the whole passage)

David did have years of peace. Peace was ALWAYS dependent on following God, God said if they did not obey him, he would remove their security (see Lev 26)

Same game he played with the first verse too.
 
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Re: WE ARE IN THE MIDST OF THE "REBELLION"/''FALLING AWAY" OF THE LAST DAYS

To alarm people by:

"if you will take the mark of the beast you will loose your salvation"

or
"antichrist is already here"

..and not giving any information of what is the mark of the beast and who/what is antichrist...

Your post is useless, just for bringing in fear upon the weaker ones.
Thank you so much, brother Trofimus. I get so exasperated when folks post things absolutely contrary to God's Holy Word of Truth: "Don't be anxious about anything." - "Cast your cares on the Lord, He will sustain you. He won't let the righteous be moved." - "Don't fear what man can do to you." - "Come to Me, I will give you rest." - "Run... fixing your eyes on Jesus, the finisher of our faith."