We Have Forgotten That The Way Is Narrow

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OK, let us base our relationship with Jesus on the same footing. Since we are joined - Him in us and we in Him it would be impossible for one to go a different way from the other....so let us walk together 24/7...everyone should examine themselves whether or not they have that loving relationship together at all times - not sneaking off to a sports event or on a shopping spree while HE goes to church on His own holy day. As His disciples (learners) we should be more than happy and regard it as an honour to spend time with our Saviour...as any Bride would be with her Husband.
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Yes, we should be more than happy and regard it as an honor to spend time with Jesus. As you have already read on CC some people have a difficult time reading the Bible and praying. Due to different issues. Does this mean that Jesus doesn't love them if we fail to do all we should as the bride? A few years ago I avoided being close to God because I felt condemned. What I failed to understand at the time was that His abiding love for me didn't end when I was a mess. He was faithful at all times even when I was not. The Holy Spirit taught me how to receive His unconditional love because it was a gift received by grace through faith. so I am fully convinced now I can come to Him anytime anywhere no matter what. Even in my failings.

This strikes a major blow to the enemy and how he used to keep me from receiving from Christ all the promises He died to give me. If we are running from God in shame, we don't go to His Word or meditate on Jesus or His love because we feel unworthy and guilty. But by faith believing by His grace He loves us at all times sets the prisoner free!


 
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Eight "I AM" statements made by Jesus in the book of John:

John 6:35, 48 I am the bread of life.

John 8:12, 9:5 I am the light of the world.

John 8:58 Before Abraham was, I am.

John 10:9 I am the door.

John 10:11 I am the good shepherd.

John 11:25 I am the resurrection and the life.

John 14:6 I am the way, the truth, and the life.

John 15:1 I am the true vine.

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Funny how when I saw the title, I knew the Word Faith people would come out and complain! After all, who cares about what the Bible says?

More seriously, I don't ever watch 70 minute videos. Do you have a synopsis or a transcript? Reading works for me!
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so anyone that does not agree with Washer's MacArthur/Comfort Lordship salvationism is word of faith?

gee

I think you need more proof then that

these sweeping judgement calls in the Bible forum are tiresome

salvation is of God and not our desire to stop sinning

I do not want to sin. I also do not care for the above mentioned teachers

that, does not equal word of faith
 
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sevenseas said:
so anyone that does not agree with Washer's MacArthur/Comfort Lordship salvationism is word of faith?

gee

I think you need more proof then that

these sweeping judgement calls in the Bible forum are tiresome

salvation is of God and not our desire to stop sinning

I do not want to sin. I also do not care for the above mentioned teachers

that, does not equal word of faith
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IMO, Washer/Piper/Johnny/Chan and many others who teach their lordship salvation junk are more dangerous than the word of faith folk.

Word of faith is pretty much in your face and it is pretty easy to discern their error. Paul Washer and those who teach lordship salvation, have their false gospel hid very well. It takes a good amount of doctrine to pick up their error.
 
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I think this guy handled the "Lordship Salvation" thing in a good way that is not condemning the people but stating what it is really saying. It is 3:55 minutes long.



[video=youtube;msWsC0srUas]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=msWsC0srUas[/video]
 
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sevenseas

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wsblind said:
IMO, Washer/Piper/Johnny/Chan and many others who teach their lordship salvation junk are more dangerous than the word of faith folk.

Word of faith is pretty much in your face and it is pretty easy to discern their error. Paul Washer and those who teach lordship salvation, have their false gospel hid very well. It takes a good amount of doctrine to pick up their error.
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at least word of faith seem to understand that we are saved by grace and not works
 
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Spokenpassage said:
[video=youtube;1_hGBFVzYZ4]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1_hGBFVzYZ4&sns=em[/video]
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Instead of expecting your readers to sacrifice an hour of their time to justify your position, sum up the points the speaker makes and outline why you think he is right.

Expecting people to sacrifice an hour of their time with no more information than you have given is naive.
 
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Grace777x70 said:
I think this guy handled the "Lordship Salvation" thing in a good way that is not condemning the people but stating what it is really saying. It is 3:55 minutes long.



[video=youtube;msWsC0srUas]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=msWsC0srUas[/video]
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well I listened to it.

not sure why you posted it?

I became familiar with it years ago. it's not as pretty as the fellow in your vid makes it out to be

I don't condemn people. but many Lordship salvationist people do condemn others. MacArthur is famous for it
 
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sevenseas said:
at least word of faith seem to understand that we are saved by grace and not works
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I am still trying to wrap my head around that. That never use to be the case.

But today, there sure are a lot of folk that seem to lean word of faith that have a pure grace message.
 
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sevenseas said:
well I listened to it.

not sure why you posted it?

I became familiar with it years ago. it's not as pretty as the fellow in your vid makes it out to be

I don't condemn people. but many Lordship salvationist people do condemn others. MacArthur is famous for it
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I agree...I think he was giving some grace to some and trying to say that they had good intentions but as he said - good intentions are not enough. He ends up with "It's a sad system".

I always thought of it as a mutual fund mangers - some fees come at the back end and some at the front end. It seems this Lordship Salvation has both in I depending on what flavor we hear.

What is your thoughts on it? ( not the video - the concept of Lordship Salvation )
 
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I am still trying to wrap my head around that. That never use to be the case.

But today, there sure are a lot of folk that seem to lean word of faith that have a pure grace message.
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I don't know.

my husband and I once attended a really big word of faith church only we didn't know it was

I never heard any sort of demand this or that from God

my main problem with them,is the insistence everyone can be or should be healed

I do believe God heals but as I like to point out, He healed through the entire Bible yet Jesus had to die to heal our spirits, ie; forgiveness of sin

not sure what you mean by 'pure grace'?
 
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sevenseas said:
I don't know.

my husband and I once attended a really big word of faith church only we didn't know it was

I never heard any sort of demand this or that from God

my main problem with them,is the insistence everyone can be or should be healed

I do believe God heals but as I like to point out, He healed through the entire Bible yet Jesus had to die to heal our spirits, ie; forgiveness of sin

not sure what you mean by 'pure grace'?
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Free Grace. Unmerited. Free Gift.
 
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wsblind said:
I am still trying to wrap my head around that. That never use to be the case.

But today, there sure are a lot of folk that seem to lean word of faith that have a pure grace message.
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I agree. I have been to word of faith churches in the past ( 20 years ago ) and they definitely were not grace believing as in the gospel. There was a whole lot of "works" in it for sure. A lot of condemnation was laid out in various forms it seemed to me.

Perhaps they are changing and we are all learning new truths about the goodness of God and what Christ has actually done for us.
 
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Grace777x70 said:
I agree...I think he was giving some grace to some and trying to say that they had good intentions but as he said - good intentions are not enough. He ends up with "It's a sad system".

I always thought of it as a mutual fund mangers - some fees come at the back end and some at the front end. It seems this Lordship Salvation has both in I depending on what flavor we hear.

What is your thoughts on it? ( not the video - the concept of Lordship Salvation )
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well, you caught me there. I did not listen to the very last part. my bad or I would have understood better

my concept? trying to keep it biblical here

I believe it is plain that Jesus is ALREADY Lord. He is Lord whether we make Him so or not.

I find that actually far more compelling then being told what I have to do to make Jesus Lord.

from Isaiah 45:23 and the new testament contains several verses as well, but with the focus on Jesus so the fact God is saying this in the old, is remarkeable:

I have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, That unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear.

Actually that entire chapter is something to read.

I think anything that removes God from front and center and puts the onus on us, is suffering from tunnel vision
 
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well, you caught me there. I did not listen to the very last part. my bad or I would have understood better

my concept? trying to keep it biblical here

I believe it is plain that Jesus is ALREADY Lord. He is Lord whether we make Him so or not.

I find that actually far more compelling then being told what I have to do to make Jesus Lord.

from Isaiah 45:23 and the new testament contains several verses as well, but with the focus on Jesus so the fact God is saying this in the old, is remarkeable:

I have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, That unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear.

Actually that entire chapter is something to read.

I think anything that removes God from front and center and puts the onus on us, is suffering from tunnel vision
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I agree....it does have a good "sound" to it but the reality is - Jesus is Lord and no one makes Him Lord. I believe it's in growing in the grace and knowledge of Him that we participate in His life on this earth.

Great quote:

I think anything that removes God from front and center and puts the onus on us, is suffering from tunnel vision

Well said.
 
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sevenseas

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wsblind said:
Free Grace. Unmerited. Free Gift.
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well isn't it free though? I mean we don't earn grace, right?

however that same grace enables us to live for God because of the sacrifice of Jesus

we can't buy anything from God (I know you know that) so it is all free

so many have a desire to 'serve' God so I think most may realize that it is not a one way street

ps: unmerited simply means we don't deserve it and we certainly don't
 
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joaniemarie said:
[FONT=&quot]The truth is the tribulation a believer gets is going to come from the world, the flesh and the devil. Not our heavenly Father. [/FONT]
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"Whom the Lord loves, He chastens, and scourges every son He receives." Hebrews 12:6

"Though He slay me yet I will trust Him." Job 13:15
 
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Everything is the bible is truly stated but not everything is a statement of truth. Satan said things about God that were not true as did a number of people. Sin distorts our view of God.

The scriptures are progressive revelation of the true nature of the Father.

Whatever "perception" we get of God from the Old Testament that doesn't line up with the revealed nature of God in Jesus Christ while on this earth - it will be inaccurate.

Jesus said that no one knows the Father - but the Son and He has come to reveal Him to man. If you have seen Me - you have seen the Father for it is Him doing the works in Me.

Jesus is perfect theology. If you see Jesus doing while on this earth - then you have seen the Father. Heb.1:1-3 says that Jesus is the exact representation of the nature and character of the Father.

If we want to see how God disciplines His child ( discipline means child-training ) - Look to see how Jesus chastises and disciplines His disciples in the 4 gospels. He uses His words.
 
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EarnestQ said:
Instead of expecting your readers to sacrifice an hour of their time to justify your position, sum up the points the speaker makes and outline why you think he is right.

Expecting people to sacrifice an hour of their time with no more information than you have given is naive.
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This was a sermon to examine ourselves if we are in the faith and to stay true to the gospel. It was meant to encourage, and possibly, bring the gospel to those that seem short of it.
 
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Do I come off as an arrogant, want to shove cold-theology down your throat, kind of person? In all of my posts I am attempting to encourage you all, but it seems that we all want to be teachers instead of students...
 
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