By the way, when i said i am this person he seeks this is more than me just testifying myself. This is what my heart tells me, its what my faith tells me and trust me if i am not this person now i will be. I know his heart, i know what he thinks of me and i know who he is. But only because he revealed himself to me, otherwise i may not have known him like i do.
What A Vow Means to God
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You will not lose your salvation, that's for sure, nor will He ever leave you because even if a believer engage in dead works that deny Him, He that is faith abideth for He cannot deny Himself, ( 2 Timothy 2:10-14) but there are plenty of warnings given to believers to depart from iniquity to avoid becoming that vessel unto dishonour in His House and to remain as that chosen vessle unto honour in His House ( 2 Timothy 2:18-22 ) to attend the Marriage Supper.
Yes: John 5:31 & John 7:18 & the proper way to witness is as John the Baptist did in John 3:28-30 in seeking His glory.
A false witness can defile a man, FYI Matthew 15:7-11, 18-20 Look those verses up out of your love for Him and be warned.
So if you say anything about yourself that would lead believers to pat you on the back, then that is not really testifying of Him in giving Him the "credit" nor the glory. If you testify of what you cannot do so that others that hear of your faith in Jesus Christ for what He is doing in your life, then those that hear may apply that faith in Him for their lives too.
Any believer that speaks of a promise to God and to man is in bondage to finish it and not leave it undone. By making too grand a promise that it can never really be finished and be easily broken, there is the knowledge of sin. To use God's grace to keep trying to keep that promise and yet call oneself a promise keeper, is a false witness because in reality, and in the eyes of God and man, that is a believer living in sin as a promise breaker.
May God help you to see this truth: Him telling you what He will have you do is His word to you, thus not needing any promises from you to make it happen. You believe Him at His Word, then do so without making promises as if He needs your help to keep His Word to you. Show that faith & belief in Him & His Word to you so that others may see your faith in Him & His Word to you instead of what you had promised to Him what He had already said He will do to you first.
An example of His Word to us: If you had told your little son that you will take him to a big city to watch a professional baseball game in an auditorium with you with all expenses paid for, how would you feel when he turns around and promised you that he will do it when he is not even old enough to drive or has any money to be able to do it?
Since we recognize what is beyond our ability to do: to save ourselves... to follow Him... to serve Him... then when we apply that faith in the Son of God to do this: having saved us... then if we need not make promises to save ourselves, the neither do we need to make promises to follow Him nor to serve Him when believing Him and taking Him at His word is all that is required.. for without faith, it is impossible to please God.
So that is why God giving you that love for Him to serve Him is not reliant on your promises, but you believing Him at His Word and that is why it is written that the "just shall live by faith" which is how we get to know Him personally when we take Him at His Word to see His workmanship in our lives and for others to see that too by testifying of that faith in Him.
You are filled and so there is no need to be drunk with him. Acknowledging that truth also testify of Him and not yourself by wat you are claiming to do by your effort.
Ephesians 1:[SUP]17 [/SUP]That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him: [SUP]18 [/SUP]The eyes of your understanding being enlightened; that ye may know what is the hope of his calling, and what the riches of the glory of his inheritance in the saints, [SUP]19 [/SUP]And what is the exceeding greatness of his power to us-ward who believe, according to the working of his mighty power, [SUP]20 [/SUP]Which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead, and set him at his own right hand in the heavenly places, [SUP]21 [/SUP]Far above all principality, and power, and might, and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this world, but also in that which is to come: [SUP]22 [/SUP]And hath put all things under his feet, and gave him to be the head over all things to the church, [SUP]23 [/SUP]Which is his body, the fulness of him that filleth all in all.
How are you this person? If it is because of Him and only Him, then you need to stop putting the spotlight of your testimony on yourself and your promises to Him in seeking glory for yourself as being that person by those promises as if that is why God has chosen you.
John 15:[SUP]16 [/SUP]Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you.
Do we not love Him because He first loved us? Where is boasting then?
1 John 4:19We love him, because he first loved us.
Brother, let another testify of you, and not you. You are to testify of the Son in seeking His glory and with His help, you shall avoid being a false witness.
I trust Jesus as my Good Sehpherd to keep the foot of pride away from me and to not let the word of truth depart from my mouth.
Psalm 19:[SUP]9 [/SUP]The fear of the Lord is clean, enduring for ever: the judgments of the Lord are true and righteous altogether.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]More to be desired are they than gold, yea, than much fine gold: sweeter also than honey and the honeycomb. [SUP]11 [/SUP]Moreover by them is thy servant warned: and in keeping of them there is great reward. [SUP]12 [/SUP]Who can understand his errors? cleanse thou me from secret faults. [SUP]13 [/SUP]Keep back thy servant also from presumptuous sins; let them not have dominion over me: then shall I be upright, and I shall be innocent from the great transgression. [SUP]14 [/SUP]Let the words of my mouth, and the meditation of my heart, be acceptable in thy sight, O Lord, my strength, and my redeemer.
Yes: John 5:31 & John 7:18 & the proper way to witness is as John the Baptist did in John 3:28-30 in seeking His glory.
A false witness can defile a man, FYI Matthew 15:7-11, 18-20 Look those verses up out of your love for Him and be warned.
So if you say anything about yourself that would lead believers to pat you on the back, then that is not really testifying of Him in giving Him the "credit" nor the glory. If you testify of what you cannot do so that others that hear of your faith in Jesus Christ for what He is doing in your life, then those that hear may apply that faith in Him for their lives too.
Any believer that speaks of a promise to God and to man is in bondage to finish it and not leave it undone. By making too grand a promise that it can never really be finished and be easily broken, there is the knowledge of sin. To use God's grace to keep trying to keep that promise and yet call oneself a promise keeper, is a false witness because in reality, and in the eyes of God and man, that is a believer living in sin as a promise breaker.
May God help you to see this truth: Him telling you what He will have you do is His word to you, thus not needing any promises from you to make it happen. You believe Him at His Word, then do so without making promises as if He needs your help to keep His Word to you. Show that faith & belief in Him & His Word to you so that others may see your faith in Him & His Word to you instead of what you had promised to Him what He had already said He will do to you first.
An example of His Word to us: If you had told your little son that you will take him to a big city to watch a professional baseball game in an auditorium with you with all expenses paid for, how would you feel when he turns around and promised you that he will do it when he is not even old enough to drive or has any money to be able to do it?
Since we recognize what is beyond our ability to do: to save ourselves... to follow Him... to serve Him... then when we apply that faith in the Son of God to do this: having saved us... then if we need not make promises to save ourselves, the neither do we need to make promises to follow Him nor to serve Him when believing Him and taking Him at His word is all that is required.. for without faith, it is impossible to please God.
So that is why God giving you that love for Him to serve Him is not reliant on your promises, but you believing Him at His Word and that is why it is written that the "just shall live by faith" which is how we get to know Him personally when we take Him at His Word to see His workmanship in our lives and for others to see that too by testifying of that faith in Him.
You are filled and so there is no need to be drunk with him. Acknowledging that truth also testify of Him and not yourself by wat you are claiming to do by your effort.
Ephesians 1:[SUP]17 [/SUP]That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him: [SUP]18 [/SUP]The eyes of your understanding being enlightened; that ye may know what is the hope of his calling, and what the riches of the glory of his inheritance in the saints, [SUP]19 [/SUP]And what is the exceeding greatness of his power to us-ward who believe, according to the working of his mighty power, [SUP]20 [/SUP]Which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead, and set him at his own right hand in the heavenly places, [SUP]21 [/SUP]Far above all principality, and power, and might, and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this world, but also in that which is to come: [SUP]22 [/SUP]And hath put all things under his feet, and gave him to be the head over all things to the church, [SUP]23 [/SUP]Which is his body, the fulness of him that filleth all in all.
How are you this person? If it is because of Him and only Him, then you need to stop putting the spotlight of your testimony on yourself and your promises to Him in seeking glory for yourself as being that person by those promises as if that is why God has chosen you.
John 15:[SUP]16 [/SUP]Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you.
Do we not love Him because He first loved us? Where is boasting then?
1 John 4:19We love him, because he first loved us.
Brother, let another testify of you, and not you. You are to testify of the Son in seeking His glory and with His help, you shall avoid being a false witness.
I trust Jesus as my Good Sehpherd to keep the foot of pride away from me and to not let the word of truth depart from my mouth.
Psalm 19:[SUP]9 [/SUP]The fear of the Lord is clean, enduring for ever: the judgments of the Lord are true and righteous altogether.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]More to be desired are they than gold, yea, than much fine gold: sweeter also than honey and the honeycomb. [SUP]11 [/SUP]Moreover by them is thy servant warned: and in keeping of them there is great reward. [SUP]12 [/SUP]Who can understand his errors? cleanse thou me from secret faults. [SUP]13 [/SUP]Keep back thy servant also from presumptuous sins; let them not have dominion over me: then shall I be upright, and I shall be innocent from the great transgression. [SUP]14 [/SUP]Let the words of my mouth, and the meditation of my heart, be acceptable in thy sight, O Lord, my strength, and my redeemer.
Okay i see your point about Promising him stuff i am not yet ready to do, However I call these things promises of the heart. To me its not like swearing to do something because i feel the need to, but rather my heart having deep feeling and speaking to him. Perhaps their not even promises but rather a calling, And you ask how am i this person? Because he told me so, I am not chosen because of these promises. I am chosen because for whatever reason he called me to do so, it has nothing to do with me or even because of my love for him. I know his voice, and i know when he tells me i am going to do something for him.
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>>>>>>God always keeps his promises but his mind can also be changed.<<<<<
God does NOT change his mind EVER. His mind is set from the beginning of time, that is HOW he keeps his promises.
What we are to do is align OURSELVES with the mind of God and we thus encounter his "action" about any given situation. Every incident used to support the "idea" that God changes his mind is error... God's mind is always already made up... but he gives man an either/or option to agree with God's mind upon any matter. Most basically salvation is on God's terms "my way or the highway... but he is generously merciful and contends with us L-O-N-G to give us oppurtunity to align ourselves with Him... Ie., REPENT.
God does NOT change his mind EVER. His mind is set from the beginning of time, that is HOW he keeps his promises.
What we are to do is align OURSELVES with the mind of God and we thus encounter his "action" about any given situation. Every incident used to support the "idea" that God changes his mind is error... God's mind is always already made up... but he gives man an either/or option to agree with God's mind upon any matter. Most basically salvation is on God's terms "my way or the highway... but he is generously merciful and contends with us L-O-N-G to give us oppurtunity to align ourselves with Him... Ie., REPENT.
May God help you to prune that testimony from being promises of the heart to a calling of the heart then to honour His Word of what He said He will have you do. Obviously, He has given you that heart to serve Him so what need does anyone have for making or speaking of the promises of men which are hardly reliable, but the God's promises are so we can rest in Him in serving Him.
That is the problem when anyone speaks of promises; that means you are going to do it. By denying yourself and your promises, you are then testifying that God did give you a heart to serve Him just like He said He would do.
No one.. I mean.. no one.. can see His word to you in giving you a heart to serve Him when you speak of yuour promises of the heart as if the keeping of those promises by your will and by your zeal is how you are serving Him.
It is either you believe Him so that your testimony matches your word to His word that He will do it, or you are resorting to your own power in serving Him as if His word wasn't enought that you felt you need to make promises to do so in serving Him.
That is the problem when anyone speaks of promises; that means you are going to do it. By denying yourself and your promises, you are then testifying that God did give you a heart to serve Him just like He said He would do.
No one.. I mean.. no one.. can see His word to you in giving you a heart to serve Him when you speak of yuour promises of the heart as if the keeping of those promises by your will and by your zeal is how you are serving Him.
It is either you believe Him so that your testimony matches your word to His word that He will do it, or you are resorting to your own power in serving Him as if His word wasn't enought that you felt you need to make promises to do so in serving Him.
When it comes to His promises, God cannot go back on His word.
Isaiah 55:[SUP]8 [/SUP]For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the Lord. [SUP]9 [/SUP]For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts. [SUP]10 [/SUP]For as the rain cometh down, and the snow from heaven, and returneth not thither, but watereth the earth, and maketh it bring forth and bud, that it may give seed to the sower, and bread to the eater: [SUP]11 [/SUP]So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it. [SUP]12 [/SUP]For ye shall go out with joy, and be led forth with peace: the mountains and the hills shall break forth before you into singing, and all the trees of the field shall clap their hands.
But when it comes to warnings of coming judgment, if the sinners repent, then yeah... God will change His mind then about doling out that coming judgment.
Exodus 32:14And the Lord repented of the evil which he thought to do unto his people.
Isaiah 55:[SUP]8 [/SUP]For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the Lord. [SUP]9 [/SUP]For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts. [SUP]10 [/SUP]For as the rain cometh down, and the snow from heaven, and returneth not thither, but watereth the earth, and maketh it bring forth and bud, that it may give seed to the sower, and bread to the eater: [SUP]11 [/SUP]So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it. [SUP]12 [/SUP]For ye shall go out with joy, and be led forth with peace: the mountains and the hills shall break forth before you into singing, and all the trees of the field shall clap their hands.
But when it comes to warnings of coming judgment, if the sinners repent, then yeah... God will change His mind then about doling out that coming judgment.
Exodus 32:14And the Lord repented of the evil which he thought to do unto his people.
I know you mean that, brother. I am just saying that your faith in Him would be clearer and shine forth more to the religious people of the world if you refrain from speaking of your promises, even if they are labled as promises of the heart. Indeed, you should have that mind in Christ wherein you are not serving Him by the keeping of your promises at all, but by faith in Him and His Word to you.
That way, the religious people of the world will see God working in you because of His Word to you, and not because of your promises to Him which many religious people can identify with as it is a rudiment found in the world of religions and of men. Your testimony should reflect your faith in Him and nothing of your promises at all if the religious people of the world will surrender to rest in Him & His promises to us.
Matthew 11:[SUP]25 [/SUP]At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes. [SUP]26 [/SUP]Even so, Father: for so it seemed good in thy sight. [SUP]27 [/SUP]All things are delivered unto me of my Father: and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal him. [SUP]28 [/SUP]Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. [SUP]29 [/SUP]Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls. [SUP]30 [/SUP]For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.
That way, the religious people of the world will see God working in you because of His Word to you, and not because of your promises to Him which many religious people can identify with as it is a rudiment found in the world of religions and of men. Your testimony should reflect your faith in Him and nothing of your promises at all if the religious people of the world will surrender to rest in Him & His promises to us.
Matthew 11:[SUP]25 [/SUP]At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes. [SUP]26 [/SUP]Even so, Father: for so it seemed good in thy sight. [SUP]27 [/SUP]All things are delivered unto me of my Father: and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal him. [SUP]28 [/SUP]Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. [SUP]29 [/SUP]Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls. [SUP]30 [/SUP]For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.
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Enow... I read that entire passage which concludes with verse 14... the foreshadowing of the need for an intercessor... because in this case... no one had repented... it was moses who reminded God of his previous PROMISE to the people. that God would be SO ANGRY at his people express it in a way to say "I will destroy them"... yet fall back on his nature and previous promise demonstrates his GREAT mercy and that he does not lie. Had he destoyed them... his previous promise would have been a lie. Make sense??? Just because the word "repent" is used to convey what what was happening... would RELENT... according to His unchanging nature be a more accurate interpretation???
Our faith should show the depths of that love. I really mean this below ....
Colossians 1:[SUP]20 [/SUP]And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven. [SUP]21 [/SUP]And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled [SUP]22 [/SUP]In the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight: [SUP]23 [/SUP]If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister;
It is by testifying of this faith in Him that we may see His love for us, otherwise, many religious people that speak of their love for God may be misunderstanding your love for God as being the same as theirs which they show by their zeal & dedication.
It is in the knowledge of Him that our love may abound more and more and so that is foolishness to the religious people as they only wished to be identified by their love and by their religious service for God.
When I speak of shining, I do not mean for us to be shining but Christ in us that is to be shining so that men can see God's work in us and praise Him and not us.
Colossians 1:[SUP]20 [/SUP]And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven. [SUP]21 [/SUP]And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled [SUP]22 [/SUP]In the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight: [SUP]23 [/SUP]If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister;
It is by testifying of this faith in Him that we may see His love for us, otherwise, many religious people that speak of their love for God may be misunderstanding your love for God as being the same as theirs which they show by their zeal & dedication.
It is in the knowledge of Him that our love may abound more and more and so that is foolishness to the religious people as they only wished to be identified by their love and by their religious service for God.
When I speak of shining, I do not mean for us to be shining but Christ in us that is to be shining so that men can see God's work in us and praise Him and not us.
Well... God saying He will destroy them was not really a promise, but what was promised beforehand to Abraham was, but you are correct in attributing that as a foreshadowing of the need for the Intercessor to come Whom is Jesus Christ when God is holy and just and will deal with sins unless Someone is standing in the gap to permit His wrath to pass over as promised.
As for the use of repent: relent would probably be better understood, but it would still be seen as God changing His mind about what He said He was going to do.
Take note of this event wherein there was no call for repentance as God was going to judge them in 40 days hence, but the people believed God and in fear, repented, hoping that God would spare them even thiugh He gave no call to repent.
Jonah 3:[SUP]4 [/SUP]And Jonah began to enter into the city a day's journey, and he cried, and said, Yet forty days, and Nineveh shall be overthrown. [SUP]5 [/SUP]So the people of Nineveh believed God, and proclaimed a fast, and put on sackcloth, from the greatest of them even to the least of them. [SUP]6 [/SUP]For word came unto the king of Nineveh, and he arose from his throne, and he laid his robe from him, and covered him with sackcloth, and sat in ashes. [SUP]7 [/SUP]And he caused it to be proclaimed and published through Nineveh by the decree of the king and his nobles, saying, Let neither man nor beast, herd nor flock, taste any thing: let them not feed, nor drink water: [SUP]8 [/SUP]But let man and beast be covered with sackcloth, and cry mightily unto God: yea, let them turn every one from his evil way, and from the violence that is in their hands. [SUP]9 [/SUP]Who can tell if God will turn and repent, and turn away from his fierce anger, that we perish not? [SUP]10 [/SUP]And God saw their works, that they turned from their evil way; and God repented of the evil, that he had said that he would do unto them; and he did it not.
So again, when it comes to judgment, God can issue it of what He will do because of that present evil, but when sinners repent of their evil, He may change His mind or shall we say.. relent of doling out that judgment.
As for the use of repent: relent would probably be better understood, but it would still be seen as God changing His mind about what He said He was going to do.
Take note of this event wherein there was no call for repentance as God was going to judge them in 40 days hence, but the people believed God and in fear, repented, hoping that God would spare them even thiugh He gave no call to repent.
Jonah 3:[SUP]4 [/SUP]And Jonah began to enter into the city a day's journey, and he cried, and said, Yet forty days, and Nineveh shall be overthrown. [SUP]5 [/SUP]So the people of Nineveh believed God, and proclaimed a fast, and put on sackcloth, from the greatest of them even to the least of them. [SUP]6 [/SUP]For word came unto the king of Nineveh, and he arose from his throne, and he laid his robe from him, and covered him with sackcloth, and sat in ashes. [SUP]7 [/SUP]And he caused it to be proclaimed and published through Nineveh by the decree of the king and his nobles, saying, Let neither man nor beast, herd nor flock, taste any thing: let them not feed, nor drink water: [SUP]8 [/SUP]But let man and beast be covered with sackcloth, and cry mightily unto God: yea, let them turn every one from his evil way, and from the violence that is in their hands. [SUP]9 [/SUP]Who can tell if God will turn and repent, and turn away from his fierce anger, that we perish not? [SUP]10 [/SUP]And God saw their works, that they turned from their evil way; and God repented of the evil, that he had said that he would do unto them; and he did it not.
So again, when it comes to judgment, God can issue it of what He will do because of that present evil, but when sinners repent of their evil, He may change His mind or shall we say.. relent of doling out that judgment.
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So again, when it comes to judgment, God can issue it of what He will do because of that present evil, but when sinners repent of their evil, He may change His mind or shall we say.. relent of doling out that judgment.[/QUOTE]
So basically this harmonizes with what I said in my first post... it is the PEOPLE who repented and aligned themselves with God... and thus recieved what God according to his nature has pre-ordained. Continuing in this (above passage) is Jonah's arguement against God because he didn't want the people to repent... he wanted God to destroy them... he complains about God's mercifuness... which he KNEW about from the point of being given the assignment thus trying to avoid it. This is basically what I am saying in that GOD doesn't change his mind (he isn't schitzophrenic) His nature is fixed... when people change their mind and align with God... they get what God offers for good... if they refuse... they get judgment... it is JUST either way... it is God's way or God's way.... tho he may tarry long in giving an oppurtunity for any person to repent.
So basically this harmonizes with what I said in my first post... it is the PEOPLE who repented and aligned themselves with God... and thus recieved what God according to his nature has pre-ordained. Continuing in this (above passage) is Jonah's arguement against God because he didn't want the people to repent... he wanted God to destroy them... he complains about God's mercifuness... which he KNEW about from the point of being given the assignment thus trying to avoid it. This is basically what I am saying in that GOD doesn't change his mind (he isn't schitzophrenic) His nature is fixed... when people change their mind and align with God... they get what God offers for good... if they refuse... they get judgment... it is JUST either way... it is God's way or God's way.... tho he may tarry long in giving an oppurtunity for any person to repent.
Yes, but in reference to how some believers may see God as changing His mind, it may be that they are not knowledgeable enough to state that with accuracy in keeping with the truth of His words or that they may know this, but unable to convey that fully well enough so as to not imply any false notion that God would change His mind about a promise made.