What are you? (Calvinist, Arminian,etc)?

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What are you?

  • Calvinist

    Votes: 11 20.4%

  • Arminian

    Votes: 8 14.8%

  • Sometimes i'm a Calvinist, sometimes I'm an Arminian (doesn't matter)

    Votes: 3 5.6%

  • Molinist

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • I'm not sure

    Votes: 5 9.3%

  • Neither

    Votes: 27 50.0%
  • Total voters
    54
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SantoSubito

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hhhlga89 said:
eternally-grateful you sound like an Arminian..

I think we can know these things enough, through what the bible says..I just think we can't be overly dogmatic about certain things though, some we should be.

I thought Catholics are Arminian? I usually hear Calvinists say how much we are pro Catholic church because we're Arminians..that intellectual pride and dogmatism is one of the first things that drove me away from Calvinism, then I saw how it didn't line up with scripture IMO.
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Well doing some research into the specifics of this side of Catholic teaching I discovered it's Molinism so that's how I should have voted. But basically it's somewhat of a median view with some elements of both Armininism and Calvinism. For example Molinism accepts a form of limited atonement (like in our liturgy where it says "who [Christ] died for the sins of many") but not to the same extent Calvinists do.

To sum it briefly: God's knowledge of the future has three stages (or logican steps) as He decides what world He will create. His Natural Knowledge includes in infinite number of universes that God could create. In each of these worlds, every man and woman has a free will. These universe may include God completely changing the construction of life from carbon to silicon or some other substance. He may chose to interact with these various world's in whatever way He choses which may cause humans to make different choices.

Out of these worlds in His Natural Knowledge, only some may make sense according to what He may want to have happen. The next "stage" of His knowledge then is Middle Knowledge - all the possible choices humans might make. He then choses to create or actualize one of these worlds, the world we live in today. The events that He saw would happen in this world then become His Free Knowledge.

For more information on it and for the website I took the above two paragraphs from : basic.theology.forums > Molinism
 
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jimmydiggs

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#22
#22
I don't think I need to announce what I voted for. It should be evident.
 
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Livi94

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#23
#23
I'm sorry but I'm unfamiliar with those terms. But anyway, I am a Catholic. Despite what a lot of people say about "all Catholics," I keep an open mind and in perspective. I keep everything pretty general. Not really one for debating my beliefs but I'll gladly share my thoughts <3

God Bless!
~Olivia
 
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SantoSubito

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#24
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jimmydiggs said:
I don't think I need to announce what I voted for. It should be evident.
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I was waiting for that Calvinist counter to tick over to one, but it took you long enough diggs. I'm still kinda sad I voted for neither because I didn't know that what I actually believed and was taught had a name, Molinism didn't even sound like a thing at the time.
 
shawntc

shawntc

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I do believe I'm sorta both. I'm a theological mutt :D
 
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jimmydiggs

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SantoSubito said:
I was waiting for that Calvinist counter to tick over to one, but it took you long enough diggs.
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I was out and about most of the day until around 8pm.

I'm still kinda sad I voted for neither because I didn't know that what I actually believed and was taught had a name, Molinism didn't even sound like a thing at the time.
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Hehe :) Understandable. Molinism is becoming popular amongst Protestants, oddly enough.
 
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SantoSubito

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jimmydiggs said:
I was out and about most of the day until around 8pm.



Hehe :) Understandable. Molinism is becoming popular amongst Protestants, oddly enough.
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Go figure, a theory formulated by a Jesuit in the 16th century is gaining popularity among Protestants. That being said it doesn't surprise me; Molinism does offer the most complete explanation and harmonization of human free will and God's sovereignty, and for Evangelicals (who don't have an official denominational teaching to fall back on) it must seem like a nice place to be when torn between two extremes.
 
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bonnie2

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#29
#29
I'm a semifeministic semicalvinistic semi femi calvinist :D Actually, I believe both sides have valid points, and it's not something we're gonna be able to figure out here on earth. Don't put God in the little box of your mind. The end.
 
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bonnie2

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#30
#30
My choice isn't on the poll :( "Always a Calvinist AND an Arminian, and it does matter"
 
pickles

pickles

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What am I? Hmmmm.....
well, Im female, created in God's image, about 5'8", and, :):):)
Im a daughter of the grace of God, who loves God, Jesus, the Holy Spirit with all my mind , heart, streangth and soul.
I believe that makes me a christian, but I know it makes me a child of God! :)
Anything else is just window dressing :)

God bless
pickles
 
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Crossfire

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#32
#32
eternally-gratefull said:
lol, hypercalvanist huh?
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Me? Nah! Besides, I always assumed that one had to believe in Once Saved Always Saved to be considered a Hypercalvinist. :D

Of course, by now I'm sure you are familiar with my views on that one, not that we need to get into that here.
 
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Crossfire

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#33
Zilla64007 said:
however Arminians teach and believe in Original Sin... I do not.
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Personally, I don't know what to think of Original sin. I should probably research it more in depth.

I definitely do not agree with Total Depravity. Far too many have attempted to use it to make allowances for sin.

However, I do believe in Physical Depravity which is basically the belief that God created man with certain physical needs and desires that God Himself provided for before the fall. After the fall mankind was forced to provide for themselves thus our physical needs and desires are the fuel for selfish behavior in the unregenerate. However, once saved, right relationship with the Father has been restored thus our selfish behavior can be overridden when we allow the divine nature, which is Godly love, to change the way we feel about and treat others.
 
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jimmydiggs

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#34
#34
bonnie2 said:
My choice isn't on the poll :( "Always a Calvinist AND an Arminian, and it does matter"
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I suppose that option would work, until we apply the Law of Non-Contradiction.
 
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Crossfire

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Crossfire said:

Personally, I don't know what to think of Original sin. I should probably research it more in depth.

I definitely do not agree with Total Depravity. Far too many have attempted to use it to make allowances for sin.

However, I do believe in Physical Depravity which is basically the belief that God created man with certain physical needs and desires that God Himself provided for before the fall. After the fall mankind was forced to provide for themselves thus our physical needs and desires are the fuel for selfish behavior in the unregenerate. However, once saved, right relationship with the Father has been restored thus our selfish behavior can be overridden when we allow the divine nature, which is Godly love, to change the way we feel about and treat others.
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From what I can gather, my belief in Physical Depravity does qualify for 'original sin'. I may not agree with the interpretation of others concerning original sin however, as I said, my belief does qualify.
 
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jimmydiggs

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#36
Crossfire said:
From what I can gather, my belief in Physical Depravity does qualify for 'original sin'. I may not agree with the interpretation of others concerning original sin however, as I said, my belief does qualify.
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Part of the doctrine of Original Sin, can be summed up easily with Romans 5:12
12 Therefore, just as sin came into the world through one man, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men[e] because all sinned—
 
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BananaPie

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#38
#38
I'm a sinner saved by God's pure mercy and grace, "for to me to live is Christ, and to die is gain." (Philippians 1:21)
 
Cleante

Cleante

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My soteriology is Orthodox.
 
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Crossfire

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BananaPie said:
LOL! How about voting Wesleyan?
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Wesleyans, Methodists and Holiness (with the exception of the Keswickians) are most definitely Arminian.
 
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