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Yes i know that. Ive asked him how he was feeling.
If you wanna stand on telling people to expect audibles
From God and that His word is just a starter manual
you go ahead. Not only has mysticism been accepted
into the church today why not give it a hand.
Why worry about the implications? Why even
talk about the bible?
If you wanna stand on telling people to expect audibles
From God and that His word is just a starter manual
you go ahead. Not only has mysticism been accepted
into the church today why not give it a hand.
Why worry about the implications? Why even
talk about the bible?
God and the Bible don't need a hand.
They also don't need people limiting them.
Mysticism is just a word.
God is a Spirit.
The spiritual realm is mystical to us.
Tell me, when you feel the presence of the Lord do you say, "ah, yes....I understand that."
....Or do you weep?
God made both the rational mind and the emotional soul.
This is the problem I have with believers.
Either they are frozen to rational thoughts and precepts;
or they are blubbering all over the place.
I'm telling you God is the God of both, - your emotions and your rational mind.
Paul said he prayed in the spirit and with understanding. -
In other words he was a full rounded christian.
They also don't need people limiting them.
Mysticism is just a word.
God is a Spirit.
The spiritual realm is mystical to us.
Tell me, when you feel the presence of the Lord do you say, "ah, yes....I understand that."
....Or do you weep?
God made both the rational mind and the emotional soul.
This is the problem I have with believers.
Either they are frozen to rational thoughts and precepts;
or they are blubbering all over the place.
I'm telling you God is the God of both, - your emotions and your rational mind.
Paul said he prayed in the spirit and with understanding. -
In other words he was a full rounded christian.
U
Still have a few minutes here. Who is "limiting" what Rick ? God doesn't need a bible (His Word) either .... but yet He chose to give it to us. Why is that ? Faith comes by hearing ... and hearing by the Word of God. And in answer to your query. There are times when I both "understand ... AND weep". And I have never needed to hear His voice audibly to do either. Does this make me an "unrounded" Christian ?
I thought it was about volition.
I do because I want to.
It is a gift.
Have you ever gotten a gift?
You use it as you will.
Now, that is not saying that you can do anything you want to.
But as the Spirit leads, He uses us.
Did not the apostle Paul say to covet the most earnest gifts?
(Meaning those that will help the body of Christ most)
Sometimes people need to be healed.
And they have the faith to receive it.
Then the question becomes:
1. DO you have the gift.
2. Do you have the faith.
And this isn't just about healing,
it applies to all of the gifts of the Holy Spirit.
If you have the gift of interpretation, do you have the faith to use it?
In that sense, volition weighs heavily into the equation.
I do because I want to.
It is a gift.
Have you ever gotten a gift?
You use it as you will.
Now, that is not saying that you can do anything you want to.
But as the Spirit leads, He uses us.
Did not the apostle Paul say to covet the most earnest gifts?
(Meaning those that will help the body of Christ most)
Sometimes people need to be healed.
And they have the faith to receive it.
Then the question becomes:
1. DO you have the gift.
2. Do you have the faith.
And this isn't just about healing,
it applies to all of the gifts of the Holy Spirit.
If you have the gift of interpretation, do you have the faith to use it?
In that sense, volition weighs heavily into the equation.
C
yup, I gotcha.
I prayed a bit, but mu nurse's nature makes me inquire as to the nature of the illness...
was it respiratory?
I prayed a bit, but mu nurse's nature makes me inquire as to the nature of the illness...
was it respiratory?
The Word of God is my rule of faith. It is how I test what is from God and what is not.
If it goes contrary to the word of God then I leave it. If it does not then I keep it in mind and wait to see where it leads.
I have only herd a voice once and it did not tell me anything new. it only reaffirmed the Word I had studied. However I decided to test anyhow and study further to make sure.
I personally believe the word of God is for our protection.
But even when someone says something that goes against my perception of the word. Its still good to sometime go back and restudy to make sure I have not believed error.
His word is a light unto my path. I will never leave the path as long as I have the light to guide me.
Psa 119:105 NUN. Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path.
If it goes contrary to the word of God then I leave it. If it does not then I keep it in mind and wait to see where it leads.
I have only herd a voice once and it did not tell me anything new. it only reaffirmed the Word I had studied. However I decided to test anyhow and study further to make sure.
I personally believe the word of God is for our protection.
But even when someone says something that goes against my perception of the word. Its still good to sometime go back and restudy to make sure I have not believed error.
His word is a light unto my path. I will never leave the path as long as I have the light to guide me.
Psa 119:105 NUN. Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path.
U
Rick ... the link provided below is the most thorough and IMO, the best study I have yet to read on your questions posed ... and the inevitable subsequent follow-ups that always come to surface whenever this topic is raised on a Christian forum. Suffice it to say that there are matters that you and I will likely never come to agreement on in this regard. If I can say the following with clear conscience and without conflict regarding God's desire for all of us, then allow me to say that even though I don't adhere to your biblical understanding, I do believe in you. It is a lengthy read .... and whether you find yourself in disagreement or not, it is still well worth the 20 minutes of your time. Save it at least ... and give it a gander at your leisure. My position on many things will be easy and clear thereafter. I could pretend to extract and copy from this work. But I won't do that. This writer deserves merit for his own efforts. And his views are mine as well. Only better expressed
Apologetics Press - Modern-Day Miracles, Tongue-Speaking, and Holy Spirit Baptism: A Refutation--EXTENDED VERSION
Apologetics Press - Modern-Day Miracles, Tongue-Speaking, and Holy Spirit Baptism: A Refutation--EXTENDED VERSION
I want everyone to see this excerpt taken from this site:
Paul offered a useful illustration to clarify his point. When the church possessed only bits and pieces of God’s will, as revealed through scattered miraculous gifts and the gradual production, between approximately A.D. 57 and A.D. 95, of the written documents from the inspired writers of the New Testament, it could not achieve full spiritual maturity. It therefore was like a child (13:11). It lacked the necessary constituent elements to reach spiritual adulthood. However, when the totality of God’s will, which became the New Testament, had been revealed, the church then had the means available to become “a man” (13:11). Once the church had access to all of God’s written Word, the means by which the Word was given (i.e., miraculous gifts) would be obsolete, useless, and therefore “put away” (13:11). Notice that in this illustration, Paul likened miracles to “childish things” (13:11). In other words, miracles were the spiritual equivalents of pacifiers that were necessary while the church was in a state of infancy. Now that the church has access to “all truth” (John 16:13), the use of tongue-speaking and other miraculous enhancements in the church today would be comparable to an adult man or woman sucking on a pacifier!
Pardon me if this offends anybody, but I must say it's been a while since I've read such inaccurate garbage about gifts of the Spirit. I don't know of a single commentary that would come close to saying anything like what that man said. Even commentators that don't believe in the gifts have never claimed that those who walked in the gifts of the Spirit in the early church were children as far as knowledge was concerned. It insults the Holy Spirit who gives them, as well as the mature apostles who walked in such power.
Paul offered a useful illustration to clarify his point. When the church possessed only bits and pieces of God’s will, as revealed through scattered miraculous gifts and the gradual production, between approximately A.D. 57 and A.D. 95, of the written documents from the inspired writers of the New Testament, it could not achieve full spiritual maturity. It therefore was like a child (13:11). It lacked the necessary constituent elements to reach spiritual adulthood. However, when the totality of God’s will, which became the New Testament, had been revealed, the church then had the means available to become “a man” (13:11). Once the church had access to all of God’s written Word, the means by which the Word was given (i.e., miraculous gifts) would be obsolete, useless, and therefore “put away” (13:11). Notice that in this illustration, Paul likened miracles to “childish things” (13:11). In other words, miracles were the spiritual equivalents of pacifiers that were necessary while the church was in a state of infancy. Now that the church has access to “all truth” (John 16:13), the use of tongue-speaking and other miraculous enhancements in the church today would be comparable to an adult man or woman sucking on a pacifier!
Pardon me if this offends anybody, but I must say it's been a while since I've read such inaccurate garbage about gifts of the Spirit. I don't know of a single commentary that would come close to saying anything like what that man said. Even commentators that don't believe in the gifts have never claimed that those who walked in the gifts of the Spirit in the early church were children as far as knowledge was concerned. It insults the Holy Spirit who gives them, as well as the mature apostles who walked in such power.
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