What do we say to 'the world' when we say, 'I long to die right now, be with Him.'

[GreenNnice]

What does this kind of statement say about our Creator who created US, who has plans for US ?

Happy ?
Sad?

Is wanting to end this 'present suffering' a good thing for others to read from US on c.c.

Realness and jimdig were having this Exchange on the current 'atheist' thread and it struck me as Truth, yet odd, as, Muslims want to die, too. Personally, I Love my life, I mean, I 'hate my life,' as heady John 12 says, as THAT leads to 'eternal life,' but,Yes, here, without further ado is r&jd exchange:

Reality Why don't all Christians have someone kill them right now so they can go to heaven? It's supposed to be a lot better than here, right?

I would be happy to die.

Philippians 1:23 I am torn between the two: I desire to depart and be with Christ, which is better by far; 24 But to remain in the flesh is more necessary on your account.

What do you think? Should we talk openly about wanting to die because it's being present with Christ? Or, not?
Maybe, you think openness of talking about death with other Christian(s) in closed circles is OK.

 

[zone]

that's an interesting subject green.
there are times i've just pleaded to go home.
like...NOW

then, when i open my eyes i'm still here i figure it means He said 'not yet'

what do you say?
love zone.

 

[unclefester]

Too many still needing our Saviour just yet. Too many I know anyways. The longer He waits to end this mess, the better ... for that very reason. We've got all eternity to spend in eternity

 

[GreenNnice]

that's an interesting subject green.
there are times i've just pleaded to go home.
like...NOW

then, when i open my eyes i'm still here i figure it means He said 'not yet'

what do you say?
love zone.

Yes, I hear this said a lot lately ohzone; I Love the life God gave me, it is precious.
The Word is clear, too, there is NO DOUBT that to die is 'gain.' we MUST 'hate' our life, lose it, for eternal life.

I think that is a very interesting choice of word, too, by Paul, 'gain,' and, it, to me, so emphatically states the softness of that word is to be absorbed, understood.

But , what do I say? In Christian circles it is ok .

 

[WolfInOxHide]

Philippians 1:23 I am torn between the two: I desire to depart and be with Christ, which is better by far; But to remain in the flesh is more necessary on your account.

I believe this is the same
"My Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me; nevertheless, not as I will, but as you will."
dilemma.

That He wanted to stay with us but knew it would help us more to go.

 

[Laodicea]

Romans 1:16 KJV
(16) For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.
2 Corinthians 3:2 KJV
(2) Ye are our epistle written in our hearts, known and read of all men:

 

[zone]

Yes, I hear this said a lot lately ohzone; I Love the life God gave me, it is precious.
The Word is clear, too, there is NO DOUBT that to die is 'gain.' we MUST 'hate' our life, lose it, for eternal life.

I think that is a very interesting choice of word, too, by Paul, 'gain,' and, it, to me, so emphatically states the softness of that word is to be absorbed, understood.

But , what do I say? In Christian circles it is ok .

green.
ya. i like this life also.
even with this arthritis and stuff. it's all good. kinda.

but i mean, aren't you ever just overwhelmed by a longing to see Jesus and go home?

i guess Habakkuk comes to mind sometimes too.

2 O LORD, how long shall I cry for help,
and you will not hear?
Or cry to you “Violence!”
and you will not save?
3 Why do you make me see iniquity,
and why do you idly look at wrong?
Destruction and violence are before me;
strife and contention arise.
4 So the law is paralyzed,
and justice never goes forth.
For the wicked surround the righteous;
so justice goes forth perverted.


then i remember:

Ephesians 2
By Grace Through Faith
1And you were dead in the trespasses and sins 2in which you once walked, following the course of this world, following the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that is now at work in the sons of disobedience— 3among whom we all once lived in the passions of our flesh, carrying out the desires of the bodya and the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, like the rest of mankind. 4Butb God, being rich in mercy, because of the great love with which he loved us, 5even when we were dead in our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ—by grace you have been saved— 6and raised us up with him and seated us with him in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus, 7so that in the coming ages he might show the immeasurable riches of his grace in kindness toward us in Christ Jesus. 8For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, 9not a result of works, so that no one may boast. 10For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them.

 

[GreenNnice]

I believe this is the same
"My Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me; nevertheless, not as I will, but as you will."
dilemma.

That He wanted to stay with us but knew it would help us more to go.

Romans 1:16 KJV
(16) For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.
2 Corinthians 3:2 KJV
(2) Ye are our epistle written in our hearts, known and read of all men:

Is it being ashamed of Christ to not publicly tell those around you that you'd rather be dead than alive? Is that helping bring them to Christ?

 

[Laodicea]

Is it being ashamed of Christ to not publicly tell those around you that you'd rather be dead than alive? Is that helping bring them to Christ?

We need to tell people why we enjoy it and those in Christ will not have to say anything because there lifestyle will say it.

 

[AgapeSpiritEyes]

In the growth of this present flesh world people without Christ rely on one thing singularly flesh (which there is no good) and it ways of belief they would respond in fear and hate including also controlling of others which is supremely manifesting in society along an within governments, to take a predisposition in thought without the Holy Spirit is tossing your pearls before swine and holy things from out of our hearts to raving dog. Guard your heart to let the Holy Spirit be the initiator of such sacred pearls and food to those who will cherish them so as to be deposited by the Holy Spirit for His work.

 

[GreenNnice]

We need to tell people why we enjoy it and those in Christ will not have to say anything because there lifestyle will say it.

In the growth of this present flesh world people without Christ rely on one thing singularly flesh (which there is no good) and it ways of belief they would respond in fear and hate including also controlling of others which is supremely manifesting in society along an within governments, to take a predisposition in thought without the Holy Spirit is tossing your pearls before swine and holy things from out of our hearts to raving dog. Guard your heart to let the Holy Spirit be the initiator of such sacred pearls and food to those who will cherish them so as to be deposited by the Holy Spirit for His work.

green.
ya. i like this life also.
even with this arthritis and stuff. it's all good. kinda.

but i mean, aren't you ever just overwhelmed by a longing to see Jesus and go home?

i guess Habakkuk comes to mind sometimes too.

2 O LORD, how long shall I cry for help,
and you will not hear?
Or cry to you “Violence!”
and you will not save?
3 Why do you make me see iniquity,
and why do you idly look at wrong?
Destruction and violence are before me;
strife and contention arise.
4 So the law is paralyzed,
and justice never goes forth.
For the wicked surround the righteous;
so justice goes forth perverted.


then i remember:

Ephesians 2
By Grace Through Faith
1And you were dead in the trespasses and sins 2in which you once walked, following the course of this world, following the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that is now at work in the sons of disobedience— 3among whom we all once lived in the passions of our flesh, carrying out the desires of the bodya and the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, like the rest of mankind. 4Butb God, being rich in mercy, because of the great love with which he loved us, 5even when we were dead in our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ—by grace you have been saved— 6and raised us up with him and seated us with him in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus, 7so that in the coming ages he might show the immeasurable riches of his grace in kindness toward us in Christ Jesus. 8For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, 9not a result of works, so that no one may boast. 10For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them.

I agree. The Lord leads, I will speak Him whenever He leads, that I hope and pray, just like Cassie Bernal. But, in the simple sense of just being among 'swine' as agapeLove said, and, I don't like to use that word but let's use it for persecution's sake. Should we be telling the world that we would rather be dead than alive, for it is sweet with Christ ? Can 'the world' understand that kind of thinking even?

\Or, like a squirrel, kind of, would they just think you nuts. Do you even care what the world thinks?
Should you care what the world thinks of what you utter from your mouth, do they see your heart?

The Spirit leads us , true dat. But, do we sometimes, maybe, perhaps lead ourselves when we begin to tell others that I'd rather be alive than living out this Life.

I KNOW what Habakkuk says (now ) and a lot of other Scripture I already knew but, yes, what kind of a MESSAGE are you sending to someone when you are alive with Christ on earth, albeit crucified from your flesh, and, living in Him, then so what does it tell the world if you go and say 'I'd rather be DEAD than a live, because being a 'dead' means I am with Christ.'

Sure, too, we can, indeed, witness through this means , one more GREAT way to have Him greatly speak through us.

I guess, what I am saying is that He will reveal all Truth to us and being a martyr may NOT be always what He has in mind for us in the face of atheists, muslims, etc.

Just be careful that the Lord is speaking from you, for that way you can not go wrong in that powerful declaration made to society.


I stand the same, I will speak God to Christian circles, only .

 

[GRA]

The "honest feeling" that expresses this comes from being "weary" of the world. It can be a good thing to share this with others who you know to be born-again Christians - and strong in the faith. I would not suggest showing it to the world. It only shows that your "resolve" has been "weakened"...

Understand that, anything you express on CC is effectively "showing it to the world" - because, there is no way you can be absolutely sure that every single person on CC is a born-again Christian who is being guided by the Holy Spirit - and strong in the faith. Of course - these days - you also would be "hard-pressed" to come to that conclusion even in a 'local new-testament church'...

I think that "the best that you could do" on CC would be to only express things like this in chat rooms and forums that could not be seen by anyone but logged-in members.

The devil can use it against you - by "whispering it into your ear" to "weaken" your "resolve" - and "wear you down"...

Satan "just loves it" when any born-again Holy Spirit led Christian who is spreading the Gospel dies...



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[cfultz3]

For me,
To tell others that my desires is to be with my Father and my Brother that is telling them that to be there must mean more than being here in the world. It tells them I have possession of hope of a better tomarrow, something more to look forward to then vanity. It tells them that the Home where God is Father is something to be admired. It tells so much more then just the words spoken.

 

[zone]

I agree. The Lord leads, I will speak Him whenever He leads, that I hope and pray, just like Cassie Bernal. But, in the simple sense of just being among 'swine' as agapeLove said, and, I don't like to use that word but let's use it for persecution's sake. Should we be telling the world that we would rather be dead than alive, for it is sweet with Christ ? Can 'the world' understand that kind of thinking even?

\Or, like a squirrel, kind of, would they just think you nuts. Do you even care what the world thinks?
Should you care what the world thinks of what you utter from your mouth, do they see your heart?

The Spirit leads us , true dat. But, do we sometimes, maybe, perhaps lead ourselves when we begin to tell others that I'd rather be alive than living out this Life.

I KNOW what Habakkuk says (now ) and a lot of other Scripture I already knew but, yes, what kind of a MESSAGE are you sending to someone when you are alive with Christ on earth, albeit crucified from your flesh, and, living in Him, then so what does it tell the world if you go and say 'I'd rather be DEAD than a live, because being a 'dead' means I am with Christ.'

Sure, too, we can, indeed, witness through this means , one more GREAT way to have Him greatly speak through us.

I guess, what I am saying is that He will reveal all Truth to us and being a martyr may NOT be always what He has in mind for us in the face of atheists, muslims, etc.

Just be careful that the Lord is speaking from you, for that way you can not go wrong in that powerful declaration made to society.


I stand the same, I will speak God to Christian circles, only .

this has gone too far for me.
i don't ever just say "i wish i were dead".
nor do i wish for death.
maybe i stated my initial posts wrong.

i thought this was in the context of longing for our continuing city. to see Jesus.
that's always there in my testimony, since generally the people i speak to who wonder about my faith ask about "life after death".

 

[Judgement]

It is exceedingly better that I be with the Lord. There we do not argue and fight over things we make to rule over us. But I also know that it profits more to you that I remain, because I see so many of us who need rest.

Most of us talk about not loving this life, but that's not the case in reality.

In this world we ALL die for our sins be it Christian or Muslim, the truth being both christianity and islam being HANDED DOWN! The work of those who came BEFORE! Are these NOT our witnesses? Where are they at now?

I have been banned for being what the world calls "universalism". I say again to this day that I know no such religion. I have also been banned for saying all will be saved and once simply for the reason of "BEING BANNED".

Now if I am being banned, still waters for teaching a false religion, then please tell me what true religion is?

Is it what this forum also calls "Jehovah's witnesses" or SDA's? Maybe one of the non denominational places such as the Israel of God ? Beloved this is confusion as WE ALL NAME THE NAME OF CHRIST. So all I ask so that I may learn is of which one should I teach to be permitted?

Now if my message is foolishness to you all who will glory in the law because by it christians have EVERY advantage, then may my foolishness add to your glory. But if I am banned for teaching a false Christ, then who else is teaching the same?
I ask of what evil do I teach? Of what law do I break in believing that all will one day be saved?
Yes we can all talk about not loving this life but how can that be when the news can slap us in the face with reports of a senator spending 100 MILLION DOLLARS on a seat SHE LOST? Now how much of that do
you all think she will get back?

Now do the math! That's not even what was spent between the two presidential candidates! How much did the other seats cost who were up for election? And yet the world is STARVING! And ALL over PAPER we chop down in the woods ourselves, or print on a computer screen we ourselves program.

All the world to me is FULL of vanity and darkness to me. Confusion and idols rule over us. Things we ourselves appoint to rule over us. We give them life and power and men with knowledge and advantage are proud and haughty in their gains by it. I hated it here long before I knew Jesus or taught here on this site. Now I am thankful that I am given the faith to see past this vain world to what awaits us all!

Because the biggest and most ruthless dictator, the most diabolical rapist or murderer goes to the ground along with the the biggest most influential leader, or the most outstanding moral citizen. That even the wise die along with me, being the fool.

This verse brings to words my feelings now under the reigns of Christ, the savior of all men. I KNOW despite how many times I am banned, not just here, BUT EVERY WHERE I am sent online to deliver this wonderful message, that past the vanity and veil of the flesh, we ALL will one day rejoice TOGETHER!

As long as the world is, it cannot be without one who is sent. You know these people by the fruit they produce. Things out of love has no law against it and we all belong to that which is LOVE!

Now I pray that I am not banned, and even more in righteousness I pray that my original name may one day be restored under "Israel".

If so banned, I will simply return under another name, but it should not be so. Again I would love to leave you all alone and the world in favor of the better side of the veil. But it is for your benefit I stay and continue to bless when persecuted and to feed whoever my enemy may be with life when he is hungry.

Hopefully this isn't my last post under this name. Even better I ask for my name back (I've been here for years I've seen it happened before). But if I cannot speak about my Christ, why allow others to speak about theirs?

Atleast clarify the meaning of "wrong" religion to me please.


I love you all,

Israel

 

[BarlyGurl]

I have no idea what it says to the world... this is what it means to me

Building 429: "Where I Belong" Official Music - Video Take This World and Give Me Jesus - YouTube

 

[BarlyGurl]

Oh WAIT!!!! THere is a message I have for the WORLD... but if I posted a picture... I might get banned!

 

[GRA]

For me,
To tell others that my desires is to be with my Father and my Brother that is telling them that to be there must mean more than being here in the world. It tells them I have possession of hope of a better tomarrow, something more to look forward to then vanity. It tells them that the Home where God is Father is something to be admired. It tells so much more then just the words spoken.

"Yes - true - I can see that..."

----- if it is a Christian you are telling that to...

If it is a person who does not have that same 'hope' (which is the case of the 'scenario' in the Title statement) - they will see it much differently:

"What? Are you crazy?"

However, there are many in the world who - knowing that information - "would be more than willing to 'help you along' in getting there" -- because, they love the world - and would rather not have ['home-sick' Christians] in it...



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[GreenNnice]

this has gone too far for me.
i don't ever just say "i wish i were dead".
nor do i wish for death.
maybe i stated my initial posts wrong.

i thought this was in the context of longing for our continuing city. to see Jesus.
that's always there in my testimony, since generally the people i speak to who wonder about my faith ask about "life after death".

Ohzone, the world hears: you want to die? You're one of 'those,' arena't you, a crazy Christian religious person.

But, you are saying, 'No, no, I'm nor saying that. I want to be with Christ.'

There is , indeed, Scripture, too, for God stopping the ears of people.

Hey, everyone knows my three favoritiso words, 'The Lord leads,' and, absolutely, as cee just posted, letting others know of Christ is our place wanted can be great witness absolutely !

But, can the phrase fall on deaf ears? Will you ls tyw
stop you? I think 'the world' will mostly cause me to not go 'there,' but, as I said in my last post, I will speak of witness of Him any ole way He.......


........leads

 

[zone]

hi green.
some of the movement i see in the hearts of my unbelieving family is as they experience sickness and death....around them or approaching - they wonder why i have peace with it.
it's opened up more dialogue than anything else i've been able to share with them.

the grave gets real for folks at some point. i pray for them constantly.
i trust Jesus.
zone.