What Does It Mean To "Fall From Grace"?

[mcubed]

It's a returical quest... You cannot fall from grace... Can Messiah be crucified again? ... No the answer is no.... You can not lose your salvation!!!! I'm sorry no long drawn out conversation needed on this Scripture.....

 

[Shamah]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]2 Peter 2:20-22, “For if, after they have escaped the defilements of the world through the knowledge of the Master and Savior יהושע [FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Messiah, they are again entangled in them and overcome, the latter end is worse for them than the first. For it would have been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than having known it, to turn from the set-apart Command delivered unto them. For them the proverb has proved true, “A dog returns to his own vomit,” (Pro 26:11) and, “A washed sow returns to her rolling in the mud.”[/FONT][/FONT]

 

[MarcR]

I believe that Jesus died on the Cross to take away the sin of the World, placing all mankind under grace.

All sin of all mankind over all time was forgiven on the cross, with 1 stipulation.

Each person must personally accept Jesus as both Savior and Lord thereby accepting His ownership; both by right of creation and by right of redemption. If one fails to meet the stipulation, one falls from grace.

 

[FlSnookman7]

Hi, I believe 1 Jn 3 says "whosoever is born of God….." the only part of Us that is born of God is our Spirit. Christ in you. The body and the soul (mind, will and emotions that require renewing) still in a corruptible state. Many times in the scriptures the word "sin" is hamartia, hamartian (noun) not talking about the action of sin (verb) but the nature of sin (a persons fallen state before Christ). The spirit in a believer cannot sin because it is incorruptible. Our old nature (the flesh) has been cut off and we have been freed from sin, no longer a prisoner to it. We are not to even have a sin consciousness.(thinking about sin) but a Christ consciousness.

Welcome to CC!

I believe that my spirit is indeed sin free but that since my soul (mind,thoughts etc) still resides in my wicked flesh that is where the real work is occurring. It almost seems somehow that my soul is being shown the bad to appreciate the good? Perhaps being prepared for something more later? Yes, I have the mind of Christ, but I must learn how to be more humble and grateful and kind in order to have an easier time accessing that gift. A lot of that probably is not biblical, just my thoughts on my walk.


A lot of great folks here so again, welcome.

 

[seed_time_harvest]

Those who have departed from the faith

To depart from the faith means that a person had once been in the faith. Brother Swaggart says when we speak of faith at the ministry, we're speaking of faith in the Cross of the Lord Jesus Christ. When people leave the Cross and turn to other things, which millions are now doing, the Scripture says of them:" Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils" (1 Timothy 4:1).

Needless to say, such individuals, as with the lukewarm and as with those who have a form of godliness, are labeled by the Lord as unsaved, despite their claims, and will not go in the rapture nor enter the strait gate and narrow way that leads unto life.

Isn’t your post saying that salvation and conditional sanctification are received by grace through faith?why make It SOo hard to understand?

 

[seed_time_harvest]

It's a returical quest... You cannot fall from grace... Can Messiah be crucified again? ... No the answer is no.... You can not lose your salvation!!!! I'm sorry no long drawn out conversation needed on this Scripture.....

Doesn’t “fallen from grace” when It applies to conditional sanctification mean going back to the “merit system”?
So then In that way,a person CAN fall from grace.

 

[mailmandan]

The present tense of the word "justified" implies that these Galatians were contemplating justification by the law. They were getting side tracked by legalistic teachers. "You who are trying to be justified by the law have fallen away from grace," but had they fully come to that place yet? Galatians 3:3 reads: Are you so foolish? Having begun in the Spirit, are you now being made perfect by the flesh? The middle voice implies "making yourselves perfect" by means of self effort. The present tense indicates that the action is in progress and that there is still time to correct the error.

If these Galatians lost their salvation and it was a done deal, then why didn't Paul simply say you "lost your salvation" and I'm done with you? Instead, in verse 10, he said - I have confidence in you, in the Lord, that you will have no other mind; but he who troubles you shall bear his judgment, whoever he is. Paul would not have confidence in these Galatians if they lost their salvation and it was all over for them. In verse 12, Paul uses hyperbole, As for those agitators, I wish they would go the whole way and emasculate themselves! ​

 

[seed_time_harvest]

Can the believer not operate In Grace when It comes to conditional sanctification and still make It to heaven?

I ask that question because messege pasted the scripture that says,In latter times,some shall depart from the faith and the scripture also says that those born again are born of Incorruptible seed and I wanted to know,how does that that Is Incorruptible become corrupted?Although salvation and conditional sanctification are received by grace through faith,salvation cannot be corrupted but when It. Comes to conditional sanctification some will depart from the faith.

Correct me If I’m wrong but that Is what I’m thinking when It comes to the scriptures about those born of Incorruptible seed and In latter times some shall depart from the faith are harmonized.

 

[MessageOfTheCross]

What is the difference between Justification By Faith (our standing as a Believer) and Sanctification By Faith (our state as a Believer)?​

1. In the mine of God when Christ died, the Believer died. When Christ was buried, the Believer sins were buried to never be remembered in the past, present, and future. When Christ was resurrected, the Believer was resurrected in the newness of life. You are no longer under "The Law of Sin and Death" but "The Law of the Spirit of Life IN Christ Jesus (Romans 8:1-2).

2. Justification by faith is when God has declared the standing of a Believer innocent and perfect because you have been baptize in Christ the moment you were saved. Sanctification by faith which is the Believers present state, which is a lifetime process.

Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:​

Romans 5:1 ; Hebrews 10:38 ; Hab. 2:4 NLT

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Two kinds of peace

1. Justifying Peace - This is Peace with God, a legal standing. Rom. 8:7; Eph. 2:14-15

2. Sanctifying Peace - This is the Peace of God in the heart. Rom. 8:6; 14:19; 15:13; Gal. 1:3

The first is the result of a legal standing. The second is the result of the Work of the Holy Spirit. The first is static, never fluctuates, the second changes almost from hour to hour. The first, every Christian has, the second, every Christian may have.​

 

[DJ2]

I believe that Jesus died on the Cross to take away the sin of the World, placing all mankind under grace.

All sin of all mankind over all time was forgiven on the cross, with 1 stipulation.

Each person must personally accept Jesus as both Savior and Lord thereby accepting His ownership; both by right of creation and by right of redemption. If one fails to meet the stipulation, one falls from grace.

stipulation??

Seems you are moving away from universalism toward works-salvation.

 

[MessageOfTheCross]

What is the Will of the Father to enter the strait gate and narrow way that leads unto life?

Why do few find it? Matthew 7:13-23 NKJV


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[seed_time_harvest]

What is the difference between Justification By Faith (our standing as a Believer) and Sanctification By Faith (our state as a Believer)?​

1. In the mine of God when Christ died, the Believer died. When Christ was buried, the Believer sins were buried to never be remembered in the past, present, and future. When Christ was resurrected, the Believer was resurrected in the newness of life. You are no longer under "The Law of Sin and Death" but "The Law of the Spirit of Life IN Christ Jesus (Romans 8:1-2).

2. Justification by faith is when God has declared the standing of a Believer innocent and perfect because you have been baptize in Christ the moment you were saved. Sanctification by faith which is the Believers present state, which is a lifetime process.

Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:​

Romans 5:1 ; Hebrews 10:38 ; Hab. 2:4 NLT

​

Two kinds of peace

1. Justifying Peace - This is Peace with God, a legal standing. Rom. 8:7; Eph. 2:14-15

2. Sanctifying Peace - This is the Peace of God in the heart. Rom. 8:6; 14:19; 15:13; Gal. 1:3

The first is the result of a legal standing. The second is the result of the Work of the Holy Spirit. The first is static, never fluctuates, the second changes almost from hour to hour. The first, every Christian has, the second, every Christian may have.​

Thats why I asked the question that I did In post #9

Can the believer not operate In Grace when It comes to conditional sanctification and still make It to heaven?

 

[seed_time_harvest]

What is the Will of the Father to enter the strait gate and narrow way that leads unto life?

Why do few find it? Matthew 7:13-23 NKJV


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Because they practice lawlessness It says but shouldn't a person look at this In context?

Was Matthew talking about those who believe In the WORD of GOD or those under law?

JESUS said come to me all who are burdened and heavy laden and I will give you rest.

Isn't the Issue now faith since sin was paid for at the cross?

 

[MessageOfTheCross]

Because they practice lawlessness It says but shouldn't a person look at this In context?

Was Matthew talking about those who believe In the WORD of GOD or those under law?

JESUS said come to me all who are burdened and heavy laden and I will give you rest.

Isn't the Issue now faith since sin was paid for at the cross?

Amen. It must only be Faith placed and maintained exclusively in Christ and the Cross of Calvary where the victory was won, i.e., The Finished Work, i.e., The Blood of Jesus, or you cannot be His Disciple (this refers to a denial of dependence on self, and total trust being placed in Christ and what He has done for us at the Cross).

The criteria alone is Christ and Him Crucified (1 Cor. 1:23). We have access to God only through Christ, and access to Christ only through the Cross, and access to the Cross only through a denial of self (Lk.9:23); any other Message is judged by God as "iniquity," and cannot be a part of Christ (1 Cor. 1:17).

 

[UnderGrace]

Yes I would agree with you on this, "falling from grace" is not a reference to losing one's salvation.

Doesn’t “fallen from grace” when It applies to conditional sanctification mean going back to the “merit system”?
So then In that way,a person CAN fall from grace.

 

[reneweddaybyday]

The criteria alone is Christ and Him Crucified (1 Cor. 1:23). We have access to God only through Christ, and access to Christ only through the Cross, and access to the Cross only through a denial of self (Lk.9:23); any other Message is judged by God as "iniquity," and cannot be a part of Christ (1 Cor. 1:17).

In preaching the gospel, it is imperative that we include the resurrection.

Romans 10:9-10 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised Him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

Confess Jesus is Lord AND believe God raised Jesus from the dead

This is why Peter included the resurrection when he spoke to the house of Cornelius (Acts 10:40) and it is why Paul included the resurrection when he spoke in the synagogue when he was in Antioch (Acts 13:30).

So you are in error when you make statements such as what you have bolded and underlined in your statement.

 

[seed_time_harvest]

Amen. It must only be Faith placed and maintained exclusively in Christ and the Cross of Calvary where the victory was won, i.e., The Finished Work, i.e., The Blood of Jesus, or you cannot be His Disciple (this refers to a denial of dependence on self, and total trust being placed in Christ and what He has done for us at the Cross).

The criteria alone is Christ and Him Crucified (1 Cor. 1:23). We have access to God only through Christ, and access to Christ only through the Cross, and access to the Cross only through a denial of self (Lk.9:23); any other Message is judged by God as "iniquity," and cannot be a part of Christ (1 Cor. 1:17).

While I agree with you,there has got to be an easier and more understandable way to say It so that there Is no one left shaking there heads trying to understand what you mean by you must put your faith In the cross.

 

[seed_time_harvest]

Amen. It must only be Faith placed and maintained exclusively in Christ and the Cross of Calvary where the victory was won, i.e., The Finished Work, i.e., The Blood of Jesus, or you cannot be His Disciple (this refers to a denial of dependence on self, and total trust being placed in Christ and what He has done for us at the Cross).

The criteria alone is Christ and Him Crucified (1 Cor. 1:23). We have access to God only through Christ, and access to Christ only through the Cross, and access to the Cross only through a denial of self (Lk.9:23); any other Message is judged by God as "iniquity," and cannot be a part of Christ (1 Cor. 1:17).

While I agree with you,there has got to be an easier and more understandable way to say It so that there Is no one left shaking there heads trying to understand what you mean by you must put your faith In the cross.

BTW.when you say your faith must be placed and MAINTAINED in CHRIST and the cross are you talking about conditional sanctification because when It comes to salvation the spirit was made perfect and sealed then Paul wrote that by the mercies of GOD that we should present our bodies a living sacrifice holy and acceptable to GOD and not to conform to this world but be transformed by the renewing of our minds so that we can prove that good and acceptable and perfect will of GOD.

For we are HIS workmanship created In JESUS unto good works..

GOD saved us and sealed our spirits and equipped us and now there Is a desire to renew our minds.

 

[preston39]

It's a returical quest... You cannot fall from grace... Can Messiah be crucified again? ... No the answer is no.... You can not lose your salvation!!!! I'm sorry no long drawn out conversation needed on this Scripture.....

m...,

Are you drinking some kind of new cool-aid?

Hog-wash; Wrong on all the above.

 

[OneFaith]

God’s grace is Christ’s blood. To fall from grace is to have Christ’s blood taken away from you. One example being this following verse- “But if you sin willfully there no longer remains a sacrifice for your sins.” Which means you will have to try to get into heaven by your own merit, good name, and sinlessness (good luck).