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Your emboldened cuts out the licence to sin(seek lawlessness)
Christ is a Christians righteousness, not obedience to the law. If the new covenant only hinged on that one core fact, Christians would have a licence to sin if you think about it. God was never going to create a covenant that gave anyone a licence to sin was he.
Therefore he transferred the law he desires you to keep from an external literal law to an internal law placed on your heart.
If thou shalt not steal is on your heart, you in your heart don't want to steal do you.
If thou shalt not commit adultery is placed on your heart, in your heart you do not want to commit adultery do you.
It really is vital to understand the new covenant comes in two parts, not one part. The first part cuts out the licence to sin. For if you in your heart want to obey God, the fact Christ is your righteousness CANNOT bring you to wilfully seek lawlessnesas can it, such a thing is not possible.
Christ is a Christians righteousness, not obedience to the law. If the new covenant only hinged on that one core fact, Christians would have a licence to sin if you think about it. God was never going to create a covenant that gave anyone a licence to sin was he.
Therefore he transferred the law he desires you to keep from an external literal law to an internal law placed on your heart.
If thou shalt not steal is on your heart, you in your heart don't want to steal do you.
If thou shalt not commit adultery is placed on your heart, in your heart you do not want to commit adultery do you.
It really is vital to understand the new covenant comes in two parts, not one part. The first part cuts out the licence to sin. For if you in your heart want to obey God, the fact Christ is your righteousness CANNOT bring you to wilfully seek lawlessnesas can it, such a thing is not possible.
But you do not need to read the literal letter do you to know which laws have been placed on your heart(which laws God wants you to follow.) The law is written on your mind and placed on your heart. Therefore in your mind you instinctively know how God wants you to live in and in your heart you want to obey. Looking to the literal letter to know leaves you as you said, wondering which laws God desires you to obey.
Through the law you become conscious of sin(Rom3:20)
Therefore, if you wilfully break any law placed on your heart you must be conscious you have sinned by doing so.
This is how you know which law is placed within you
Through the law you become conscious of sin(Rom3:20)
Therefore, if you wilfully break any law placed on your heart you must be conscious you have sinned by doing so.
This is how you know which law is placed within you
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Well, from your description it seems you wanted to be obedient to God and that is fine. If you thought your actions, being against disobedience, would lead to your salvation, you would be wrong, because you already have salvation from Christ, your works do not do this.
It's good to be obedient. God loves obedience. At issue is whether you believe in your contributions via your obedience somehow contribute to your salvation, because they do not, and if you believe your actions, opting to be obedient, contribute to your salvation, you are contending the Word is a lie.
It's good to be obedient. God loves obedience. At issue is whether you believe in your contributions via your obedience somehow contribute to your salvation, because they do not, and if you believe your actions, opting to be obedient, contribute to your salvation, you are contending the Word is a lie.
Awesome topic. Lets take a look.
John 8:32-34New International Version (NIV)[SUP]32 [/SUP]Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.”
[SUP]33 [/SUP]They answered him, “We are Abraham’s descendants and have never been slaves of anyone. How can you say that we shall be set free?”
[SUP]34 [/SUP]Jesus replied, “Very truly I tell you, everyone who sins is a slave to sin.
John 8:32-34New International Version (NIV)[SUP]32 [/SUP]Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.”
[SUP]33 [/SUP]They answered him, “We are Abraham’s descendants and have never been slaves of anyone. How can you say that we shall be set free?”
[SUP]34 [/SUP]Jesus replied, “Very truly I tell you, everyone who sins is a slave to sin.
More context:
[SUP]31 [/SUP]To the Jews who had believed him, Jesus said, “If you hold to my teaching, you are really my disciples. [SUP]32 [/SUP]Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.”
[SUP]33 [/SUP]They answered him, “We are Abraham’s descendants and have never been slaves of anyone. How can you say that we shall be set free?”
[SUP]34 [/SUP]Jesus replied, “Very truly I tell you, everyone who sins is a slave to sin. [SUP]35 [/SUP]Now a slave has no permanent place in the family, but a son belongs to it forever. [SUP]36 [/SUP]So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed. [SUP]37 [/SUP]I know that you are Abraham’s descendants. Yet you are looking for a way to kill me, because you have no room for my word. [SUP]38 [/SUP]I am telling you what I have seen in the Father’s presence, and you are doing what you have heard from your father.”
[SUP]39 [/SUP]“Abraham is our father,” they answered.
“If you were Abraham’s children,” said Jesus, “then you woulddo what Abraham did. [SUP]40 [/SUP]As it is, you are looking for a way to kill me, a man who has told you the truth that I heard from God. Abraham did not do such things. [SUP]41 [/SUP]You are doing the works of your own father.”
“We are not illegitimate children,” they protested. “The only Father we have is God himself.”
[SUP]42 [/SUP]Jesus said to them, “If God were your Father, you would love me, for I have come here from God. I have not come on my own; God sent me. [SUP]43 [/SUP]Why is my language not clear to you? Because you are unable to hear what I say. [SUP]44 [/SUP]You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father’s desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies. [SUP]45 [/SUP]Yet because I tell the truth, you do not believe me! [SUP]46 [/SUP]Can any of you prove me guilty of sin? If I am telling the truth, why don’t you believe me? [SUP]47 [/SUP]Whoever belongs to God hears what God says. The reason you do not hear is that you do not belong to God.”
[SUP]31 [/SUP]To the Jews who had believed him, Jesus said, “If you hold to my teaching, you are really my disciples. [SUP]32 [/SUP]Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.”
[SUP]33 [/SUP]They answered him, “We are Abraham’s descendants and have never been slaves of anyone. How can you say that we shall be set free?”
[SUP]34 [/SUP]Jesus replied, “Very truly I tell you, everyone who sins is a slave to sin. [SUP]35 [/SUP]Now a slave has no permanent place in the family, but a son belongs to it forever. [SUP]36 [/SUP]So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed. [SUP]37 [/SUP]I know that you are Abraham’s descendants. Yet you are looking for a way to kill me, because you have no room for my word. [SUP]38 [/SUP]I am telling you what I have seen in the Father’s presence, and you are doing what you have heard from your father.”
[SUP]39 [/SUP]“Abraham is our father,” they answered.
“If you were Abraham’s children,” said Jesus, “then you woulddo what Abraham did. [SUP]40 [/SUP]As it is, you are looking for a way to kill me, a man who has told you the truth that I heard from God. Abraham did not do such things. [SUP]41 [/SUP]You are doing the works of your own father.”
“We are not illegitimate children,” they protested. “The only Father we have is God himself.”
[SUP]42 [/SUP]Jesus said to them, “If God were your Father, you would love me, for I have come here from God. I have not come on my own; God sent me. [SUP]43 [/SUP]Why is my language not clear to you? Because you are unable to hear what I say. [SUP]44 [/SUP]You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father’s desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies. [SUP]45 [/SUP]Yet because I tell the truth, you do not believe me! [SUP]46 [/SUP]Can any of you prove me guilty of sin? If I am telling the truth, why don’t you believe me? [SUP]47 [/SUP]Whoever belongs to God hears what God says. The reason you do not hear is that you do not belong to God.”
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I did it because I find no pleasure in those things, I am married, so I have no need to look at another's body in a way of lust. Even when I was not married, these things I did not find pleasurable. Mentally, it had nothing to do with if I was saved or not! But was more like, would God approve, and what felt wrong to me.
There are certain things I want to focus on about this topic particularly because of the multitude of ways satan loves to pervert the truth. You will hear these perversions over and over do not be led astray. This line speaks clearly:
“If you hold to my teaching, you are really my disciples. 32 Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.”
there is always order with God. Often people will use this "freedom" to excuse sin. This is a perversion. People will also use these words to say it is no longer possible to sin. This too is a perversion. The order: "hold to my teaching."
This order brings wisdom. This is not about obedience by rote but purposeful obedience with understanding.
The first understanding is that SIN ALWAYS CAUSES HARM. We know the wages of sin is death. WE become free from THAT wage. This death is the second spoken of in scripture and it is the death that equates to eternal separation from God. All sin leads to eternal separation from God. Jesus took my guilt and my eternal separation, upon himself; setting me free of this wage I have earned. I tell you the truth, if you actually hold to His teaching and have come to know the truth, you will hate sin as passionately as you love God. This is no free license to sin. No sin is free. Each sin is a torturous hideous festering disease rotted death separated from God and murdering Christ. Sin is the opposite of everything I long for. The sin we must hate foremost is our own. I couldnt even get through writing that without bawling. If you do not hate sin with the same passion and depth and fervor that you Love God you do not know the truth.
Another closely related understanding is that my sin crucified Jesus. Jesus died FOR me. It's personal. HE died for me as I murdered him. HE PRAYED to GOD on my behalf as he died for me while I murdered HIM and said, "father forgive Joey for he knows not what he is doing." I want to scream at him. I AM NOT WORTH IT LORD. PLEASE GOD DONT DIE FOR ME. THERE IS NOTHING GOOD IN ME. YOU ARE EVERYTHING PRECIOUS AND HOLY AND RIGHTEOUS AND PURE. I AM WORSE THAN NOTHING. I AM WICKED. It is finished, he said. If you read this and do not feel the hot tears of agony burning down your cheeks and the nightmare of reality churning your insides as each time I sin, HE lovingly watches me yet again pick up a hammer and drive in his nails...the staunch reality of my wickedness is ever before me.
But yea, I am free from the wage. No second death for me. Spiritually my grief could never be aswaged but for the oh so perfect comfort of our oh so perfectly loving God even to aswage me of my grief for murdering Him over and over and over again. I wonder, if someone did not grieve over even the smallest of sin how anyone could possibly believe they have any clue what the truth really is. "who will set me FREE from this body of death? Thanks be to God through Jesus Christ our Lord."
“If you hold to my teaching, you are really my disciples. 32 Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.”
there is always order with God. Often people will use this "freedom" to excuse sin. This is a perversion. People will also use these words to say it is no longer possible to sin. This too is a perversion. The order: "hold to my teaching."
This order brings wisdom. This is not about obedience by rote but purposeful obedience with understanding.
The first understanding is that SIN ALWAYS CAUSES HARM. We know the wages of sin is death. WE become free from THAT wage. This death is the second spoken of in scripture and it is the death that equates to eternal separation from God. All sin leads to eternal separation from God. Jesus took my guilt and my eternal separation, upon himself; setting me free of this wage I have earned. I tell you the truth, if you actually hold to His teaching and have come to know the truth, you will hate sin as passionately as you love God. This is no free license to sin. No sin is free. Each sin is a torturous hideous festering disease rotted death separated from God and murdering Christ. Sin is the opposite of everything I long for. The sin we must hate foremost is our own. I couldnt even get through writing that without bawling. If you do not hate sin with the same passion and depth and fervor that you Love God you do not know the truth.
Another closely related understanding is that my sin crucified Jesus. Jesus died FOR me. It's personal. HE died for me as I murdered him. HE PRAYED to GOD on my behalf as he died for me while I murdered HIM and said, "father forgive Joey for he knows not what he is doing." I want to scream at him. I AM NOT WORTH IT LORD. PLEASE GOD DONT DIE FOR ME. THERE IS NOTHING GOOD IN ME. YOU ARE EVERYTHING PRECIOUS AND HOLY AND RIGHTEOUS AND PURE. I AM WORSE THAN NOTHING. I AM WICKED. It is finished, he said. If you read this and do not feel the hot tears of agony burning down your cheeks and the nightmare of reality churning your insides as each time I sin, HE lovingly watches me yet again pick up a hammer and drive in his nails...the staunch reality of my wickedness is ever before me.
But yea, I am free from the wage. No second death for me. Spiritually my grief could never be aswaged but for the oh so perfect comfort of our oh so perfectly loving God even to aswage me of my grief for murdering Him over and over and over again. I wonder, if someone did not grieve over even the smallest of sin how anyone could possibly believe they have any clue what the truth really is. "who will set me FREE from this body of death? Thanks be to God through Jesus Christ our Lord."
JFSurvivor, Jesus opened the Sermon on the Mount (Matthew 5:2-12) with his encouragement for all believers. Look carefully at this encouragement. You will see exactly what God wants to see in believers. Don't get bogged down on rules (laws and commandments), use the love that Jesus has provided you through the Holy Spirit. In a few years you will look back and see the results of the sharing of that love with others, has made all those rules insignificant. JMHO.
The main part was answered
Let no one deceive you with empty words........
Do we love God or dont we? If we love God and follow the truth Paul preached we will be obedient. Obedience by faith( rom1:5)
Obedience by following after the holy spirit not the written code ( rom7:6)
For against the fruit of the spirit there I no law gal5:23
However I will withdraw from these conversations with you, for I have a hunch your mind is made up as to the way you want to go( as is your entitlement of course) and I doubt you are truly open to persuasion
God bless
Let no one deceive you with empty words........
Do we love God or dont we? If we love God and follow the truth Paul preached we will be obedient. Obedience by faith( rom1:5)
Obedience by following after the holy spirit not the written code ( rom7:6)
For against the fruit of the spirit there I no law gal5:23
However I will withdraw from these conversations with you, for I have a hunch your mind is made up as to the way you want to go( as is your entitlement of course) and I doubt you are truly open to persuasion
God bless
Working doesn't prove faith. Loving the brothers and sisters proves faith.
What [is] the benefit, my brothers, if someone says [that he] has faith but does not have works? That faith [is] not able to save him, [is it]? If a brother or a sister is poorly clothed and lacking food for the day, and one of you should say to them, “Go in peace, keep warm and eat well,” but does not give them what is necessary for the body, what [is] the benefit? Thus also faith, if it does not have works, is dead by itself. James 2:14-17
We know that we have passed over from death to life because we love the brothers. The one who does not love remains in death. 1 John 3:14
What [is] the benefit, my brothers, if someone says [that he] has faith but does not have works? That faith [is] not able to save him, [is it]? If a brother or a sister is poorly clothed and lacking food for the day, and one of you should say to them, “Go in peace, keep warm and eat well,” but does not give them what is necessary for the body, what [is] the benefit? Thus also faith, if it does not have works, is dead by itself. James 2:14-17
We know that we have passed over from death to life because we love the brothers. The one who does not love remains in death. 1 John 3:14
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Hebrews 4:1-13 - subject - entering into God's rest - what was God's rest? He "rested" from His works . . . "God rested from all his work that he had done in creation" - so by the same measure we quit working FOR salvation - those who continue to work for salvation have NOT entered His rest.
1 John 2:7,8 Love others as you love yourself - the second of the two commandments on which hang all the law and the prophets.
1 John 3:7-10 we don't make practicing sin a way of live . . . but we make practicing righteousness our way of life.
Walk in Love - for Love fulfills the law
Jude 1:4,5 Who is he talking about: #1 designated for condemnation, #2 ungodly people #3 those who did not believe. These that crept in unaware were designated for condemnation, ungodly people, those who did not believe . . . . Seems as if he is talking about unbelievers here???
1 John 2:7,8 Love others as you love yourself - the second of the two commandments on which hang all the law and the prophets.
1 John 3:7-10 we don't make practicing sin a way of live . . . but we make practicing righteousness our way of life.
Walk in Love - for Love fulfills the law
Jude 1:4,5 Who is he talking about: #1 designated for condemnation, #2 ungodly people #3 those who did not believe. These that crept in unaware were designated for condemnation, ungodly people, those who did not believe . . . . Seems as if he is talking about unbelievers here???
