What does the bible say about Traditions?

[Enow]

Traditions of men are things that are not Biblically based for the NT churches to be practising.

Some traditions from the OT have been carried over without respect to His words nor the New Covenant in doing so like keeping the sabbath day and tithing. Believers are free to regard the day unto the Lord and free to regard not the day, just as tithing would dictate the necessity to give, but God loves a cheerful giver more so they are free to give just as they are free not to give, but there is a warning about having the world's goods and beholding a brother in need, so in that respect, the love of God would compel us to give, and if not, then something is not right in that walk with Him. They would need to go before that throne of grace for help then.

Some traditions are more subtle and in spite of its origin of dead works and lack of Biblical support, the word sacrament is still being used in the Protestant churches today when they should not be using it at all for what it means in its definition.

Paul has given ordinances for the church to follow. Although he has not listed it in reference as an ordinance, the church can rely on Jesus as their Good Shepherd in understanding His words as to what those ordinances are that the church should be following.

One thing a church can ask themselves is.. when was the last time the church did this?

James 5:13 Is any among you afflicted? let him pray........ 14 Is any sick among you? let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord: 15 And the prayer of faith shall save the sick, and the Lord shall raise him up; and if he have committed sins, they shall be forgiven him.

 

[David_1]

David_1
It is interesting you needed to use the written Word to make your point of oral Tradition thus making the written Word the foundation.
I am not against tradition per se...as long as it doesn't contradict the clear teaching of what has been handed down through the Apostolic writings (Script-ure).

Why would you assume that if I respected tradition, that I would dismiss scripture that is part of that tradition?

 

[crossnote]

No one ever in Orthodox Church,West or East didn't had different teachings about proceding of Holy Spirit.They whole were Orthodox in sense of that word.Others were heretics(Arians,Nestorians,Monofisites,Iconoclasm).Until they dwelled in TRUTH,West and East were together and won all heresies.In one moment West Church changed teaching of Proceding of Holy Spirit,they changed the unchangeable thing THE CREED!From that second they are under anathema of the(i think) first 3 Ecumenical Councils.
One of my favourite soldiers of Truth is Saint Mark of Ephesus.He suffered a lot but as real soldier of Orthodoxy he didnt step out of the faith of holy fathers.I will give u an article about that.

orthodoxinfo.com/ecumenism/stmark.aspx

About false Florence union!

Thanks, you made my point of two groups claiming oral Tradition but end up differing on what's what. Maybe Holy Writ should be the tie breaker.

 

[Geometar]

Main problem with Protestantism is that they believe all traditions r from man.And,even they follow Protestantism as tradition long 500+years,they claim that they do not follow any tradition,which is by it self impossible(i dont want to use another word).
They still dont understand that there r TWO Traditions.Tradition of God and of man.Bouth are mentioned in Bible.

 

[Geometar]

Thanks, you made my point of two groups claiming oral Tradition but end up differing on what's what. Maybe Holy Writ should be the tie breaker.

Sorry,i didnt get u.My english isnt too good.What mean that?

 

[crossnote]

Why would you assume that if I respected tradition, that I would dismiss scripture that is part of that tradition?

I didn't assume that as I hope equally 'Why would you assume that if I respected Scripture, that I would dismiss Tradition that is part of that Scripture?' The issue is which has the final authority?

 

[dmdave17]

To decide what I thought about tradition, I had to go to the dictionary to find out exactly what we were talking about. The dictionary defines tradition as, "the handing down of statements, beliefs, legends, customs, information, etc., from generation to generation, especially by word of mouth or by practice: a long-established or inherited way of thinking or acting: a continuing pattern of cultural beliefs or practices."

In addition, some of the accepted synonyms of tradition are " convention, custom, ritual, attitude, belief and habit".

Based upon that definition, there are many "traditions" in the "church"; the tradition of meeting together to worship the Lord, the tradition of celebrating The Lord's Supper (communion), and the tradition of bringing tithes and offerings to support the work of the church body, just to name a few.

I suppose I would have to say that there is nothing wrong with those traditions that can be be traced to scriptural origins, but that those that originated by human hand might be a little suspect; even thiose that allegedly can be traced to the original 12. Personally, I place a lot of emphasis on the Apostle, Paul's, statement, "And so it was with me, brothers and sisters. When I came to you, I did not come with eloquence or human wisdom as I proclaimed to you the testimony about God. For I resolved to know nothing while I was with you except Jesus Christ and him crucified." (1 Corinthians 2:1-2)

God bless.

 

[RedTent]

We are given an example of what God thought of a manmade tradition when God’s reaction to what men were doing was given us by the prophets.

When Moses was so long on Mt Sinai that people worried, they made a golden calf to represent the One True God, something they could look at. It was to help them worship their God. When King Jeroboam of Israel decreed that people should not go to the temple in Jerusalem, he made two temples with golden calves in the towns of Bethel and Dan for people to go to without traveling so far. The calves were instead of the cherubim that were in the temple in Jerusalem. When Hezekiah destroyed the temples Jezebel erected to Baal, the people built their own temples to worship with gold calves to represent Jehovah.

These are manmade ideas of ways to worship, they were traditional, and people who loved the Lord would not hear of anyone saying it was wrong. Yet God, through the prophets, said it was wrong.

I think it is possible that, in the same way, our deciding on feasts and Sabbath to worship might also be wrong in God’s eyes. We are to follow God not men.

 

[Rock022]

Here is what I think Jesus was a Jew and he observed all traditions. He came to forgive us our sins, not to abolish traditions. He said he will be with His church forever. If I doubt the church because someone told me the church has turned to evil or wrongdoings then I need to believe Jesus left his church. He had 12 Apostles within hands reach, one doubted Him, one denied Him and one betrayed Him. This shows me that sometimes evil will infiltrate the church but at the end He is more powerful than All.

The bible never says believe in what it is written alone or I will sent you a book for you to follow. However I believe the bible was put together almost 400 years after Christ by God, why should I doubt when a decision so import an in God church could not been empowered by the Holy Spirit.

This is the reason for my believe, I have faith that God has always been with his church and he has more power than men.

What reasoning should I believe otherwise? That I ask Mary and the Saints for prayer? That I have a rosary which I pray daily? The bible clearly states that not everything is written. God said Love all not Love me alone and forget everyone else.

I know some things are not written and many of you say ask the Holy Spirit to guide you. Do you believe the church established by God is not guided by the Holy Spirit? That God is weaker than men in His church?

The church is not perfect but neither where his disciples. But they all believed the same way, not so divided as we are today.

 

[RedTent]

Rock022: Here is what I think Jesus was a Jew and he observed all traditions. He came to forgive us our sins, not to abolish traditions. He said he will be with His church forever. If I doubt the church because someone told me the church has turned to evil or wrongdoings then I need to believe Jesus left his church. He had 12 Apostles within hands reach, one doubted Him, one denied Him and one betrayed Him. This shows me that sometimes evil will infiltrate the church but at the end He is more powerful than All

As we reason about this, we need to distinguish between God ordained traditions and manmade traditions that have become part of the church. When traditions were in the church that were manmade, Christ spoke against them.
Mark 7:8 For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do

I know some things are not written and many of you say ask the Holy Spirit to guide you. Do you believe the church established by God is not guided by the Holy Spirit? That God is weaker than men in His church?

We are not to listen to all teaching of even the church, but also use reason by comparing what man says to what God says. If you read the findings of the councils of the church you can find some things that are clearly not of God. Scripture and the Holy Spirit’s guidance must agree.

 

[Rock022]

As we reason about this, we need to distinguish between God ordained traditions and manmade traditions that have become part of the church. When traditions were in the church that were manmade, Christ spoke against them.
Mark 7:8 For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do
We are not to listen to all teaching of even the church, but also use reason by comparing what man says to what God says. If you read the findings of the councils of the church you can find some things that are clearly not of God. Scripture and the Holy Spirit’s guidance must agree.

I put my faith on Jesus when he said he will always be with his church. This is my faith, I have faith that Jesus is always there and satan has no power over him. I am not saying you have to believe like I do, but my faith in His word is strong and to believe otherwise for me is to say Jesus is weak and that he let satan command His church. I believe that when a man comes and tells me how wrong the church is and to start a different denomination I can not see that from Christ. But I can see when the church is being infiltrated by evil how some can shine the light back to His church like St. Francis of Assisi did. THis is my believe just like many believe very different than I do. The question is Do you believe Jesus is all powerful or not?

 

[Geometar]

I didn't assume that as I hope equally 'Why would you assume that if I respected Scripture, that I would dismiss Tradition that is part of that Scripture?' The issue is which has the final authority?

If u want to know which one have final authority,i will tell u.Bible and Sacred Tradition are 2 unsplitable things and they r bouth eternal TRUTH.No one of them is greater then other.TRUTH is TRUTH was it written or told.By Sacred Tradition we explain Bible and by Bible we confirm our Holy Tradition.

 

[Enow]

I know some things are not written and many of you say ask the Holy Spirit to guide you.

Whoever is saying that should take pause and take heed.

No one should be asking the Holy Spirit to guide us. That is His job.

Believers should be going before that throne of grace where the Word of God, Jesus Christ, is leading us as our Good Shepherd through the Holy Spirit within us.

The purpose of prayer is for the Fatherto be glorified in the Son for answering our prayers: therefore no one should be dishonouring the Son by asking the Holy Spirit for Him to do His job.

John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.....13 And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son.14 If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.

That is the purpose of the Mediator and so asking the Holy Spirit Whom is in us and not before that throne of grace is taking away the purpose for which Jesus is before that throne of grace in answering our prayers. That would be dishonouring the Son and the commandment of His invitation which is not just for salvation, but how we relate toGod the Father by which is why the Son is the Bridegroom.

John 10:1Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber. 2 But he that entereth in by the door is the shepherd of the sheep. 3 To him the porter openeth; and the sheep hear his voice: and he calleth his own sheep by name, and leadeth them out. 4 And when he putteth forth his own sheep, he goeth before them, and the sheep follow him: for they know his voice. 5 And a stranger will they not follow, but will flee from him: for they know not the voice of strangers....

Those that have gone the other way by way of the Holy Spirit will claim receiveing tongues that comes with no interpretation and thus a stranger's voice if there ever was one.

John 10:7 Then said Jesus unto them again, Verily, verily, I say unto you, I am the door of the sheep. 8 All that ever came before me are thieves and robbers: but the sheep did not hear them. 9 I am the door:

The tongues that is being used as a prayer language is the thief taking away the prayer time between believers and the Son. Stealing that time away in personal prayer in knowing what you had prayed for is also stealing the opportunity for Jesus answering that prayer.

Believers really need to respect the Son for the role He is fulfilling.

1 Timothy 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

John 5:22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son: 23 That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.

I believe it is a big offense and a work of iniquity that believers need to narrow the way back to the straight gate when relating to God the Father through the Son ONLY. That is one tradition that should never have gotten out of practise.

 

[Rock022]

Whoever is saying that should take pause and take heed.

No one should be asking the Holy Spirit to guide us. That is His job.

Believers should be going before that throne of grace where the Word of God, Jesus Christ, is leading us as our Good Shepherd through the Holy Spirit within us.

The purpose of prayer is for the Fatherto be glorified in the Son for answering our prayers: therefore no one should be dishonouring the Son by asking the Holy Spirit for Him to do His job.

John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.....13 And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son.14 If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.

That is the purpose of the Mediator and so asking the Holy Spirit Whom is in us and not before that throne of grace is taking away the purpose for which Jesus is before that throne of grace in answering our prayers. That would be dishonouring the Son and the commandment of His invitation which is not just for salvation, but how we relate toGod the Father by which is why the Son is the Bridegroom.

John 10:1Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber. 2 But he that entereth in by the door is the shepherd of the sheep. 3 To him the porter openeth; and the sheep hear his voice: and he calleth his own sheep by name, and leadeth them out. 4 And when he putteth forth his own sheep, he goeth before them, and the sheep follow him: for they know his voice. 5 And a stranger will they not follow, but will flee from him: for they know not the voice of strangers....

Those that have gone the other way by way of the Holy Spirit will claim receiveing tongues that comes with no interpretation and thus a stranger's voice if there ever was one.

John 10:7 Then said Jesus unto them again, Verily, verily, I say unto you, I am the door of the sheep. 8 All that ever came before me are thieves and robbers: but the sheep did not hear them. 9 I am the door:

The tongues that is being used as a prayer language is the thief taking away the prayer time between believers and the Son. Stealing that time away in personal prayer in knowing what you had prayed for is also stealing the opportunity for Jesus answering that prayer.

Believers really need to respect the Son for the role He is fulfilling.

1 Timothy 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

John 5:22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son: 23 That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.

I believe it is a big offense and a work of iniquity that believers need to narrow the way back to the straight gate when relating to God the Father through the Son ONLY. That is one tradition that should never have gotten out of practise.

I'm sorry but I quite do not understand! I believe in one God who is Father, Son and Holy Spirit. It is one the same in tree. Like H2O can be Solid, Liquid and Mist.

What I understand from your answer is that Jesus and God are different and should not be compared to the Holy Spirit.

 

[Enow]

I'm sorry but I quite do not understand! I believe in one God who is Father, Son and Holy Spirit. It is one the same in tree. Like H2O can be Solid, Liquid and Mist.

What I understand from your answer is that Jesus and God are different and should not be compared to the Holy Spirit.

What I am saying is the Holy Spirit did not die on the cross. The Son did.

It is the Father that draws men unto the Son, not the Holy Spirit.

John 6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

The man, Christ Jesus, is the only Mediator between God and man, not the Holy Spirit.

1 Timothy 2:55 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

Just because they are One, does not mean we can interchange the role of the Holy Spirit with the roles as specified of the Father nor specified of the Son.

We can pray to the Father by way of the Son: we can pray to the Son as He is before that throne of grace.

But nowhere in scripture does it say to pray to the Holy Spirit that is in us. The Holy Spirit is not taking the prayers from us to give to the Father; the Son is: so that wne prayers are answered, the Father is glorified in the Son because it is the Son that is answering the prayers.

John 14:13 And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son. 14 If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.

Therefore the Holy Spirit cannot share in that role at all, because there would be confusion as to which Member of the Triune God had answered that prayer when scripture testifies that it is the Son that answers that prayer so the Father may be glorified in the Son.

 

[Enow]

I'm sorry but I quite do not understand! I believe in one God who is Father, Son and Holy Spirit. It is one the same in tree. Like H2O can be Solid, Liquid and Mist.

What I understand from your answer is that Jesus and God are different and should not be compared to the Holy Spirit.

Another point of contention & reproof to consider is that Catholics pray to Mary & the "patron saints" and give them credit for answering prayers. They even pray to the Holy Spirit.

That is dishonouring the Son. There is no way to make rationalization on this matter when the Son of God, Jesus is the only Mediator between God and man.

John 5:22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son: 23 That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.

Jesus meant what He had said bout relating to God the Father.

John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

John 10:1Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber....
7 Then said Jesus unto them again, Verily, verily, I say unto you, I am the door of the sheep. 8 All that ever came before me are thieves and robbers: but the sheep did not hear them. 9 I am the door:

Putting anyone else before the Son for prayer is making that a thief as it takes the glory away from the Son for answering our prayers, and we should know that the Holy Spirit is not a thief and therefore not the Mediator between us & God.

 

[Rock022]

What I am saying is the Holy Spirit did not die on the cross. The Son did.

It is the Father that draws men unto the Son, not the Holy Spirit.

John 6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

The man, Christ Jesus, is the only Mediator between God and man, not the Holy Spirit.

1 Timothy 2:55 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

Just because they are One, does not mean we can interchange the role of the Holy Spirit with the roles as specified of the Father nor specified of the Son.

We can pray to the Father by way of the Son: we can pray to the Son as He is before that throne of grace.

But nowhere in scripture does it say to pray to the Holy Spirit that is in us. The Holy Spirit is not taking the prayers from us to give to the Father; the Son is: so that wne prayers are answered, the Father is glorified in the Son because it is the Son that is answering the prayers.

John 14:13 And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son. 14 If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.

Therefore the Holy Spirit cannot share in that role at all, because there would be confusion as to which Member of the Triune God had answered that prayer when scripture testifies that it is the Son that answers that prayer so the Father may be glorified in the Son.

Very interesting way to put it.

 

[Rock022]

Another point of contention & reproof to consider is that Catholics pray to Mary & the "patron saints" and give them credit for answering prayers. They even pray to the Holy Spirit.

That is dishonouring the Son. There is no way to make rationalization on this matter when the Son of God, Jesus is the only Mediator between God and man.

John 5:22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son: 23 That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.

Jesus meant what He had said bout relating to God the Father.

John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

John 10:1Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber....
7 Then said Jesus unto them again, Verily, verily, I say unto you, I am the door of the sheep. 8 All that ever came before me are thieves and robbers: but the sheep did not hear them. 9 I am the door:

Putting anyone else before the Son for prayer is making that a thief as it takes the glory away from the Son for answering our prayers, and we should know that the Holy Spirit is not a thief and therefore not the Mediator between us & God.

We are all united in the Love of God.

Romans 8
38 For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come, 39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

We ask them for prayer just like we ask each other for prayer. God said Love me above all, but also love everyone else. If I love them they are in me just like I am in them, but most of all we all Love God the most. It is an interchange of Love that keeps us together, the Love we share with God.

I am not telling you need to do this, we simply are discussing different believes. At no time I make God lesser than others.

 

[Geometar]

Enow,to which Church u attend?What r u writing this!?

 

[Enow]

We are all united in the Love of God.

Romans 8
38 For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come, 39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

We ask them for prayer just like we ask each other for prayer. God said Love me above all, but also love everyone else. If I love them they are in me just like I am in them, but most of all we all Love God the most. It is an interchange of Love that keeps us together, the Love we share with God.

I am not telling you need to do this, we simply are discussing different believes. At no time I make God lesser than others.

Oh. You are Roman Catholic. Okay. That explains why you would say that.

In just sticking with the topic, brother, let's point out certain contentions that is going beyond what you and most Catholics are saying.

If you read some of these prayers.. : that is not just asking them to pray for you: but asking them to answer your prayers as if they are the actual ones doing it.

Say for example Prayer to St. Peregrine - Patron of Cancer Patients

Dear Apostle of Emilia and member of the Order of Mary, you spread the Good News by your word and by your life witnessed to its truth. In union with Jesus Crucified, you endured excruciating sufferings so patiently as to be healed miraculously of cancer in the leg. If it is agreeable to God, obtain relief and cure for (Name) and keep us all from the dread illness of cancer. Amen.

So praying to this saint is not only being done by asking him to "obtain" relief & cure for whomever is ill, but to ask him to keep you all from the dread illness of cancer.

Who is the Great Physician? Not Peregrine. So why pray to him? He is not a god that can answers prayers. I bet Peregrine was praying to Jesus when he was sick.

Prayer to St. Andrew

O Glorious St. Andrew, you were the first to recognize and follow the Lamb of God. With your friend St. John you remained with Jesus for that first day, for your entire life, and now throughout eternity. As you led your brother St. Peter to Christ and many others after him, draw us also to him. Teach us to lead others to Christ solely out of love for him and dedication in his service. Help us to learn the lesson of the Cross and to carry our daily crosses without complaint so that they may carry us to Jesus.

Praying to this saint is like asking him to do what Jesus is supposed to be doing as our Good Shepherd.

Now I ask you: if there was ever a reason why Jesus would say, I never knew ye... it is because of the iniquity of relating to God by any other way than the Son.

We are not "praying" to people down here to pray for us. We "ask" them.

Praying involves one thing in any religion of the world and that is praying to a god.

God answers prayers and somehow along the way.. that fell out of practise in favour of praying to other saints and Mary and the Holy Ghost as if Jesus as the Son of God cannot do the job Himself.

Jesus made this promise.

John 14:13 And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son. 14 If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.

The Holy Spirit has not nor made any promises for anyone to be praying to Him for as if the Son of God is not enough.

The saints that have departed have not made any such promises.Mary has not made any promise. and yet someone made a god out of them as if they can answer prayers.

1 Thessalonians 5:21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good. 22 Abstain from all appearance of evil. 23 And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. 24 Faithful is he that calleth you, who also will do it. 25 Brethren, pray for us.

That's "brethren, pray for us".. not "brethren, pray to us". Big difference. That's an appeal to the living for the living to pray to God.

Now the departed saints & Mary are with God, but that does not mean they are in the position to answer prayers now as if they are now God or have taken Jesus's place as being before that throen of grace. There is no one in Heaven before Jesus who is before that throne of grace.

The departed saints & Mary prayed to Jesus, and by Him, they have prayed to the Father as well: then by their example, that is the tradition we should be following.

How would any believer like it if they knew fellow believers are praying to them what they should be praying to Jesus for of WHOM we suppose to have a chaste relationship with God through His Son?

Believers cannot live this reconciled relationship with God the Father by any other way than through the Son. Jesus Christ is called the Bridegroom for a reason.

This errant practise has leavened into a whole lump wherein the glory of answered prayers goes to these saints and not to Jesus Christ, thus proving it to be a thief in our relationship with Him.

Romans 8:32 He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?

2 Corinthians 1:19 For the Son of God, Jesus Christ, who was preached among you by us, even by me and Silvanus and Timotheus, was not yea and nay, but in him was yea. 20 For all the promises of God in him are yea, and in him Amen, unto the glory of God by us.

Praying to anyone else .. even Mary, is testifying that they do not believe His promise.

John 14:13 And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son. 14 If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.

It's time for believers to repent & follow the examples of the departed saints by going before that throne of grace and pray to the Son, Jesus Christ, for it is by Him, we can pray to the Father as well. That is how we get to know Him and He us.

John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. 7 If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.