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While there are Scriptures that can link Yahweh and Yahshua being as one, three are no Scriptures that say there are 3 in 1 (trinity)
1 Yahchanan (John) 5:7-8 -
Verses 5:7-8 -- In the King James Version and later renditions of the Latin Vulgate, the received Greek and Latin texts include the words: “ ...In heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost, and these three are one. And there are three that bear witness in earth... ”. This text concerning the heavenly witness is not contained in any authentic Greek manuscript written earlier than the Fifteenth Century of this current era. It does not appear in any of the oldest Greek manuscripts; neither does it even appear in the earliest Latin translations. This text is not cited by any of the Greek or early Latin writers, even when the subject they wrote of would naturally have led them to appeal to its authority. The Emphatic Diaglott by Benjamin Wilson, Page 803, The Jerusalem Bible, New Testament, Page 419. Other scholars and researchers have frankly admitted that these words are a deliberate forgery that was never a part of the original inspired Holy Scriptures.
1 Yahchanan (John) 5:7-8 -
Verses 5:7-8 -- In the King James Version and later renditions of the Latin Vulgate, the received Greek and Latin texts include the words: “ ...In heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost, and these three are one. And there are three that bear witness in earth... ”. This text concerning the heavenly witness is not contained in any authentic Greek manuscript written earlier than the Fifteenth Century of this current era. It does not appear in any of the oldest Greek manuscripts; neither does it even appear in the earliest Latin translations. This text is not cited by any of the Greek or early Latin writers, even when the subject they wrote of would naturally have led them to appeal to its authority. The Emphatic Diaglott by Benjamin Wilson, Page 803, The Jerusalem Bible, New Testament, Page 419. Other scholars and researchers have frankly admitted that these words are a deliberate forgery that was never a part of the original inspired Holy Scriptures.
Saying to baptize in the name of Yahweh, Yahshua, and the holy Spirit is not showing a trinity, it is baptizing. I can understand how people could view it in the trinity manner when they have been taught a trinity their whole life, but if only Scripture is used for learning I dont see how the trinity could be a conclusion.
[SUP]19 [/SUP]Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,
On a side note:
[SUP]20 [/SUP]and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.”
[SUP]19 [/SUP]Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,
On a side note:
[SUP]20 [/SUP]and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.”
If you would like to quote the verses thats cool. I heave read the entire "NT" many many times. Also the trinity debate is something I usually do not get into because to me, if one knows Yahweh is the Father and submits to Him and know Yahshua is the Messiah and accepts and submits to Him then all is well on that front. I have not found a verse that says "you must believe we are 3" and I have a strict rule of, If I can not prove to myself, a doctrine, using only Scripture, and not just a Scripture but rather a fully formed doctrine, as to not take preconceptions into my reading, I dont get into it. However if a doctrine is clearly found in Scripture im with it.
My interpretation, and that of my church, I think, is this:
The Lord simultaneously acts as our Father (Creator), Son (Jesus Christ), and Holy Spirit (this is what we call him when he is speaking to us). He can be three entities simultaneously just as a man can simultaneously be a father, husband, son, shop-keeper, volunteer fireman, etc.
The Lord simultaneously acts as our Father (Creator), Son (Jesus Christ), and Holy Spirit (this is what we call him when he is speaking to us). He can be three entities simultaneously just as a man can simultaneously be a father, husband, son, shop-keeper, volunteer fireman, etc.
The NT, just like the OT, is clear that we need to worship God as He has revealed Himself – which is Triune.
Paul clearly distanced himself from his unbelieving Jewish brethren by his following belief declaration:
But I confess this to you that according to the Way, which they say is a sect, so I worship the ancestral God believing all things according to that having been written in the Law and the Prophets, having hope toward God, which these themselves also admit, of a resurrection being about to be of the dead, both of just and unjust ones. (Acts 24.14)
Clearly, Paul builds upon the previous Hebrew prophets and is now able to worship God properly ‘according to The Way’ and according to that which had previously been written in the Torah and the prophets.
Obviously, Paul is able to see what his Jewish brethren have missed. Jews have been in denial of proper worship of God – and ‘The Way’ has laid the foundation for proper worship to God.
Proper worship of God:
But an hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and in truth. For the Father also seeks such, the ones worshiping Him. God is spirit, and the ones worshiping Him must worship in spirit and truth.
(John 4.23 - 24)
This proper worship is as a Triune entity:
- Father
- Son (Truth)
- Spirit
Further, the Book of Revelation shows us clearly the deity interchangeability between Father, Son and Spirit and amply demonstrates that each receives worship as the one God.
Consider these passages from Exodus…
And Elohim spoke to Moses and said to him, I am Yahweh. And I appeared to Abraham, to Isaac and to Jacob as El Shaddai (God Almighty), and by My name, Yahweh, I have not been known to them. (Exo 6.2 – 3)
Here, we have the astounding revelation by the Triune God that the patriarchs did not know Him by His name, Yahweh.
If they did not know Him by His name, Yahweh, then what did they know Him by?
They knew Him by El Shaddai (God Almighty), The Son (Gen 17.1, 28.3, 35.11, 43.14, 48.3, 49.25).
Malek Yahweh, El Shaddai, also the Son, revealed to Moses that He was ‘I AM’ and Yahweh (Exo 3.14 – 15, 6.3).
The Triune God has always held one name. Even the NT confirms that the Father, Son & Spirit share the same singular name (Mat 28.19).
Who put the Trinity doctrine as Salvation position?
Who killed so many brothers and sisters with this man made story?
Who were they to create this God's identity so sure and used as a sword for life or death.
Who gave so much high authority to this doctrine as a symbol of Christian?
Why there are so many different Trinity doctrine as breeds.
Does God kill the Christian? because of not accepting this so unsure and unclear doctrine?
Does God use this so mystery doctrine as life or hell , reward or punishment?
Does God obey to human made doctrine called " The God is Trinity" ,,,
The Trinity doctrine is just merely doctrine. It may be right or wrong... all wrong are not death penalty so is all right are eternal life. To love your brother is matter.
Who killed so many brothers and sisters with this man made story?
Who were they to create this God's identity so sure and used as a sword for life or death.
Who gave so much high authority to this doctrine as a symbol of Christian?
Why there are so many different Trinity doctrine as breeds.
Does God kill the Christian? because of not accepting this so unsure and unclear doctrine?
Does God use this so mystery doctrine as life or hell , reward or punishment?
Does God obey to human made doctrine called " The God is Trinity" ,,,
The Trinity doctrine is just merely doctrine. It may be right or wrong... all wrong are not death penalty so is all right are eternal life. To love your brother is matter.
Its a simple matter of reading scripture.
ALL the way through the OT, God destroyed the ones who failed to properly worship Him...and only allowed the remnant, who did worship Him correctly, to advance into the future.
You have to ask yourself what it was about the remnant that was different than ALL the others...
ALL the way through the OT, God destroyed the ones who failed to properly worship Him...and only allowed the remnant, who did worship Him correctly, to advance into the future.
You have to ask yourself what it was about the remnant that was different than ALL the others...