What does the Law REALLY say?
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Hey Matt,
Would you say that any of the 613 laws of the OT seem to overlap? Meaning that they mostly say the same thing as another Law or say something that would be covered by two separate laws?
I realize that this is a difficult question, but was kind of hoping that you would have a some things in mind
Would you say that any of the 613 laws of the OT seem to overlap? Meaning that they mostly say the same thing as another Law or say something that would be covered by two separate laws?
I realize that this is a difficult question, but was kind of hoping that you would have a some things in mind
Hey Matt,
Would you say that any of the 613 laws of the OT seem to overlap? Meaning that they mostly say the same thing as another Law or say something that would be covered by two separate laws?
I realize that this is a difficult question, but was kind of hoping that you would have a some things in mind
Would you say that any of the 613 laws of the OT seem to overlap? Meaning that they mostly say the same thing as another Law or say something that would be covered by two separate laws?
I realize that this is a difficult question, but was kind of hoping that you would have a some things in mind
I would actually like to review the Law, even though we are not under it. And I think you and I agree that the NT says that the Law is a tutor, so to those who have not followed it to Jesus, then it applies to them. As well as those who think it still applies to them.
I know that will offend some, but I think most of you know that I do not believe that we are under the Law of Moses. And it was not intended to offend.
I know that will offend some, but I think most of you know that I do not believe that we are under the Law of Moses. And it was not intended to offend.
The law has its purpose,but I hope that after a person knows about law that they realize what its really about and move on to grace.
1 Timothy 1:9
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9.) Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers,
John 1:17
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17.) For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.
Galatians 5:22 -23
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[SUP]22.)[/SUP] But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
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23.)[/SUP] Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
1 Timothy 1:9
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9.) Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers,
John 1:17
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17.) For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.
Galatians 5:22 -23
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[SUP]22.)[/SUP] But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
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23.)[/SUP] Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
Hello KohenMatt
Why the law was given can be discussed.
The children of isreal were thinking that because they were given the law that they now were the ones to represent GOD and they were misunderstanding why the law was given.
IMO,the law was given so that sin would not be seen as kind of sinful,but 100% sinful,and that way when they tried to fulfill the law they would know when they had sinned without wandering if they had sinned,and to realize that they just kept sinning and were not being perfected on the inside,and then hopefully they would realize that sin had them in bondage and they needed a savoir.
Why the law was given can be discussed.
The children of isreal were thinking that because they were given the law that they now were the ones to represent GOD and they were misunderstanding why the law was given.
IMO,the law was given so that sin would not be seen as kind of sinful,but 100% sinful,and that way when they tried to fulfill the law they would know when they had sinned without wandering if they had sinned,and to realize that they just kept sinning and were not being perfected on the inside,and then hopefully they would realize that sin had them in bondage and they needed a savoir.
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Be more careful with your wording. You said does apply, when you should have said can apply. The law has no working application in a believers life. As history and knowledge it is good to see where and how it came about, but if you apply it in your life you are missing out on grace. Law is made for the lawless. The bible very clearly tells us that. If you live under the law or are applying it to your life you are living in sin and/or walking in the flesh. If you walk in the flesh you cannot please God. If you don't please God it is safe to say He isn't going to spend eternity with you.
If many folks in these parts spent as much time understanding the perfect law of liberty and living by God's love, the law would be nothing more than a footnote, which is what it should be.
If many folks in these parts spent as much time understanding the perfect law of liberty and living by God's love, the law would be nothing more than a footnote, which is what it should be.
God's purpose for the Law
Exodus 19:5-6
"Now therefore, if ye will obey my voice indeed, and keep my covenant, then ye shall be a peculiar treasure unto me above all people: for all the earth is mine:
6 And ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation. These are the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel."
Exodus 19:5-6
"Now therefore, if ye will obey my voice indeed, and keep my covenant, then ye shall be a peculiar treasure unto me above all people: for all the earth is mine:
6 And ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation. These are the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel."
Hi KohenMatt
I might not be able to find satisfactory scriptures for why the law was given in the old testament,i need to search the scriptures and that's why I only gave my opinion. I understand what Sister RedTent is saying,so I will let someone explain with scriptures or at least get a good discussion going before I chime in.
I might not be able to find satisfactory scriptures for why the law was given in the old testament,i need to search the scriptures and that's why I only gave my opinion. I understand what Sister RedTent is saying,so I will let someone explain with scriptures or at least get a good discussion going before I chime in.
All the rest but #7 I can agree with, esp. # 3, because Jesus repeats it in Matt 22:37, Mark 12:30-31 and Luke 10:27. So pretty sure that one is a keeper!
Because the other 8 involve serving and honouring God, I think they are relevant, but perhaps not in context of delivering us from bondage in Egypt, unless you want to really make that into a spiritual metaphor, which is going a bit farther than the text allows.
Really, I think the proper way to do this, would be to take each law and compare it to a New Testament passage that either agrees, supersedes or is not mentioned. If the law is not mentioned in the New Testament, it is probably not relevant. The reason I say that, is that a lot of the New Testament, from Luke and Acts, John and the most of the epistles were written to Gentiles, not Jews. Of course, studying these laws in the Old Testament does give us a greater grasp of the Bible, so from that point of view, this could be a valuable study. But I really would like to see how many are applicable to today, as reiterated under the New Covenant!
Therefore, I do not think as Gentiles we are obligated to be under any of these "laws" unless the New Testament reinforces them. And I do use the word "law" loosely. I think that we are to obey Christ. If Christ or the other New Testament books point out an Old Testament injunction is important, then we need to pay attention, and see how it applies to our lives. As for the Levitical laws and some of the other 613, I doubt as Christians we really need to go through them. Unless it is for the purpose as expressed above, which is to compare them to the New Covenant. Just like under the Adamic Covenant, meat was forbidden to eat, but allowed under the Covenant God made with Noah, things have changed from the Old Mosaic Covenant to the New Covenant.
Sadly, some people do not understand that!
Angela,
I think that's a great idea, and certainly one deserving of it's own thread.
However, my purpose in this thread is simply showing what the Law and it's commands actually say. If I were to do a search on this forum about the Law, you would see very few, if any, verses that are actually from the Law itself. Most people are quick to quote Paul's words on it, but very few will actually reference the Law itself.
That's my OP here, to show what the Law actually says. But I would love to see a thread like the one you suggested!
I think that's a great idea, and certainly one deserving of it's own thread.
However, my purpose in this thread is simply showing what the Law and it's commands actually say. If I were to do a search on this forum about the Law, you would see very few, if any, verses that are actually from the Law itself. Most people are quick to quote Paul's words on it, but very few will actually reference the Law itself.
That's my OP here, to show what the Law actually says. But I would love to see a thread like the one you suggested!
Does this law applys still ? Because if it does then the public transit system of every region in the world, making alot of people unclean until evening.
Leviticus 15 :19-24
19 When a woman has a discharge, if her discharge in her body is blood, she shall continue in her menstrual impurity for seven days; and whoever touches her shall be unclean until evening. 20‘Everything also on which she lies during her menstrual impurity shall be unclean, and everything on which she sits shall be unclean. 21‘Anyone who touches her bed shall wash his clothes and bathe in water and be unclean until evening. 22‘Whoever touches any thing on which she sits shall wash his clothes and bathe in water and be unclean until evening. 23‘Whether it be on the bed or on the thing on which she is sitting, when he touches it, he shall be unclean until evening. 24‘If a man actually lies with her so that her menstrual impurity is on him, he shall be unclean seven days, and every bed on which he lies shall be unclean.
God Bless brother and sister in Christ
Leviticus 15 :19-24
19 When a woman has a discharge, if her discharge in her body is blood, she shall continue in her menstrual impurity for seven days; and whoever touches her shall be unclean until evening. 20‘Everything also on which she lies during her menstrual impurity shall be unclean, and everything on which she sits shall be unclean. 21‘Anyone who touches her bed shall wash his clothes and bathe in water and be unclean until evening. 22‘Whoever touches any thing on which she sits shall wash his clothes and bathe in water and be unclean until evening. 23‘Whether it be on the bed or on the thing on which she is sitting, when he touches it, he shall be unclean until evening. 24‘If a man actually lies with her so that her menstrual impurity is on him, he shall be unclean seven days, and every bed on which he lies shall be unclean.
God Bless brother and sister in Christ