What happens to the little children that die?
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Mat 18:10 Take heed that ye despise not one of these little ones; for I say unto you, That in heaven their angels do always behold the face of my Father which is in heaven.
Mat 18:11 For the Son of man is come to save that which was lost.
Heb 1:13 But to which of the angels said he at any time, Sit on my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool?
Heb 1:14 Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation?
Ecc 12:7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.
Angels are sent to those that shall inherit salvation,and the angels always behold the face of the Father for the little ones,which it appears as if children are protected spiritually by angels,and are saved.
As far as abortions,I do not know when God imparts the spirit to a baby,when they are conceived,when they are born,or when they are at the age of accountability,for God would know.
God is the one who gives the spirit,but He might not give it while the child is in the womb,I do not know,and I do not know if a child that is in the womb has salvation,but I do know on earth they are always protected spiritually by angels.
Children before the age of accountability would be innocent,for the truth is while we are born sinners,we are actually born innocent,but we will sin before we come to God,for we are born not knowing God,so we are sinners.
There is no sin attached to a baby,and we do not inherit Adam and Eve's sin that they did,but what they did is give mankind a choice,for all that came from them has a choice,so we are born not knowing God,so we will do wrong before we come to God.
Mat 18:11 For the Son of man is come to save that which was lost.
Heb 1:13 But to which of the angels said he at any time, Sit on my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool?
Heb 1:14 Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation?
Ecc 12:7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.
Angels are sent to those that shall inherit salvation,and the angels always behold the face of the Father for the little ones,which it appears as if children are protected spiritually by angels,and are saved.
As far as abortions,I do not know when God imparts the spirit to a baby,when they are conceived,when they are born,or when they are at the age of accountability,for God would know.
God is the one who gives the spirit,but He might not give it while the child is in the womb,I do not know,and I do not know if a child that is in the womb has salvation,but I do know on earth they are always protected spiritually by angels.
Children before the age of accountability would be innocent,for the truth is while we are born sinners,we are actually born innocent,but we will sin before we come to God,for we are born not knowing God,so we are sinners.
There is no sin attached to a baby,and we do not inherit Adam and Eve's sin that they did,but what they did is give mankind a choice,for all that came from them has a choice,so we are born not knowing God,so we will do wrong before we come to God.
David said that he would go to and see his child that died as the result of his sin with Bathsheba and murder of Uriah....God is fair and there seems to be a particular point and varying age in children that they remain safe under the blood until they realize they are sinners before God....and with mentally incapable people....as well IMV.....
No as Christians we do not encourage abortion.
We enocurage life.
Regardless of circumstance and how sometimes it can be as a result of horrific circumstances it is only God who can and gives life.
A person who would consider abortion hasn't fully understood or believed that God has given them something so precious.
Well said.
We enocurage life.
Regardless of circumstance and how sometimes it can be as a result of horrific circumstances it is only God who can and gives life.
A person who would consider abortion hasn't fully understood or believed that God has given them something so precious.
Well said.
Let's break down your statement...
"apart from establishing a salvation without Christ": there is no salvation outside of Christ, period. We who believe that children are not held accountable for their sin would contest that it is Christ's salvation which makes them acceptable in God's sight. They have not repented, or chosen to follow, because they are incapable of doing so. This is why ministry to children is important... so that they will know Him, and choose Him as soon as they can.
"we are encouraging abortion": never! As others have said, abortion is murder. It is inconsistent to suggest that God saves children, and so we should kill them, and it is completely contrary to His nature and His law.
I do understand how you might come to this conclusion, wrong though it is. If you reconstruct your syllogism with sound scriptural assertions, you won't get the conclusion you have here.
"apart from establishing a salvation without Christ": there is no salvation outside of Christ, period. We who believe that children are not held accountable for their sin would contest that it is Christ's salvation which makes them acceptable in God's sight. They have not repented, or chosen to follow, because they are incapable of doing so. This is why ministry to children is important... so that they will know Him, and choose Him as soon as they can.
"we are encouraging abortion": never! As others have said, abortion is murder. It is inconsistent to suggest that God saves children, and so we should kill them, and it is completely contrary to His nature and His law.
I do understand how you might come to this conclusion, wrong though it is. If you reconstruct your syllogism with sound scriptural assertions, you won't get the conclusion you have here.
I think this is one of those imponderable questions for which we just don't have an answer. Fortunately this sticky situation is left to God to decide. And I can't think of a better way for this to be decided than by Him.
And really, it's sort of a moot point isn't it? I mean, God chose us in Him not just before we were born, but before the foundation of the world. (Ephesians 1:3-6) So what difference does it make whether a person dies at 70 years, or 7 years, or 7 weeks from conception? God had written their name (or not written their name) in the book of life long before that person existed.
And really, it's sort of a moot point isn't it? I mean, God chose us in Him not just before we were born, but before the foundation of the world. (Ephesians 1:3-6) So what difference does it make whether a person dies at 70 years, or 7 years, or 7 weeks from conception? God had written their name (or not written their name) in the book of life long before that person existed.
The intention of the question surely about their spirits,--> go to Heaven or hell.
There is no spirit produced in this perishable realm, means there is no creature which can procreate that their kid can have spirit inside (whether men or animals), the spirit is some thing that not fit to this perishable realm ,the spirit fits only to the eternal realm, then if the respective spirit there then there should be God who placed them.
Ecc3:19 For that which befalleth the sons of men befalleth beasts; even one thing befalleth them: as the one dieth, so dieth the other; yea, they have all one breath; so that a man hath no preeminence above a beast: for all is vanity.
3:20 All go unto one place; all are of the dust, and all turn to dust again
Zec12:1 The burden of the word of the LORD for Israel, saith the LORD, which stretcheth forth the heavens, and layeth the foundation of the earth, and formeth the spirit of man within him.
So as both men and animals can procreate their kids then surely they are merely vessels or camps , where god may place a spiritual being inside the vessel , does God place the spirits to all the vessels?.
No, even the vessels of the men , not to all of them God placed the spiritual beings that God planed (before the creation of the world) to be created physically to wander/to sojourn to this perishable planet , then there are two kinds of men in the eyes of God ; born of God , born of flesh ( so there are Esau Jacob , Cain Abel , the chosen people( in OT Isrl) the people beyond Isrl .
Rom9:7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
9:8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed
John1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
1:13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God
With this formula then the premise “Salvation is only by God’s Grace” can be stated firmly, also in the last judgement (GWT ) the devils shall be judged , How can the devils be judged if all the vessels God uses for the vessels of His people ? ( how can the evidence be obtained for judging them ), How can the devils transform to be the angels of light ? (what kind of camp they can use ?).
Rev20:11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
Now we can answer the OP.
The children which are born of God surely go to heaven.
The children which are born of flesh ,they are merely empty vessels /with no spiritual beings inside surely finish as the dust.
Note; one day the born of flesh child is possible to be the devil camp/vessel , so then by this vessel works the devil can be judged (evidence for the court ) .
Gen3:14 And the LORD God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life
Mark5:11 Now there was there nigh unto the mountains a great herd of swine feeding.
5:12 And all the devils besought him, saying, Send us into the swine, that we may enter into them.
5:13 And forthwith Jesus gave them leave. And the unclean spirits went out, and entered into the swine: and the herd ran violently down a steep place into the sea, (they were about two thousand
and were choked in the sea.
There is no spirit produced in this perishable realm, means there is no creature which can procreate that their kid can have spirit inside (whether men or animals), the spirit is some thing that not fit to this perishable realm ,the spirit fits only to the eternal realm, then if the respective spirit there then there should be God who placed them.
Ecc3:19 For that which befalleth the sons of men befalleth beasts; even one thing befalleth them: as the one dieth, so dieth the other; yea, they have all one breath; so that a man hath no preeminence above a beast: for all is vanity.
3:20 All go unto one place; all are of the dust, and all turn to dust again
Zec12:1 The burden of the word of the LORD for Israel, saith the LORD, which stretcheth forth the heavens, and layeth the foundation of the earth, and formeth the spirit of man within him.
So as both men and animals can procreate their kids then surely they are merely vessels or camps , where god may place a spiritual being inside the vessel , does God place the spirits to all the vessels?.
No, even the vessels of the men , not to all of them God placed the spiritual beings that God planed (before the creation of the world) to be created physically to wander/to sojourn to this perishable planet , then there are two kinds of men in the eyes of God ; born of God , born of flesh ( so there are Esau Jacob , Cain Abel , the chosen people( in OT Isrl) the people beyond Isrl .
Rom9:7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
9:8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed
John1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
1:13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God
With this formula then the premise “Salvation is only by God’s Grace” can be stated firmly, also in the last judgement (GWT ) the devils shall be judged , How can the devils be judged if all the vessels God uses for the vessels of His people ? ( how can the evidence be obtained for judging them ), How can the devils transform to be the angels of light ? (what kind of camp they can use ?).
Rev20:11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
Now we can answer the OP.
The children which are born of God surely go to heaven.
The children which are born of flesh ,they are merely empty vessels /with no spiritual beings inside surely finish as the dust.
Note; one day the born of flesh child is possible to be the devil camp/vessel , so then by this vessel works the devil can be judged (evidence for the court ) .
Gen3:14 And the LORD God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life
Mark5:11 Now there was there nigh unto the mountains a great herd of swine feeding.
5:12 And all the devils besought him, saying, Send us into the swine, that we may enter into them.
5:13 And forthwith Jesus gave them leave. And the unclean spirits went out, and entered into the swine: and the herd ran violently down a steep place into the sea, (they were about two thousand
and were choked in the sea.