What is hyper grace........

[Grace777x70]

I didn't know the mods made it where no hyper grace threads could be made at all, I mean i respect the mods decision but isn't that kind of like silencing and limiting?

It is because of the "behavior" that comes from both sides of the discussion. Here is the original post that states this reason for no "hyper-grace" threads nor threads about preachers either.

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Good morning ,

it has been a long - suffering and very patient with many in here pertaining to the topic of "hyper-grace" and those who seem to bring this topic up in every post no matter what the thread maybe . Moderators have addressed the issues with some in Bible discussion forum pertaining to this Subject " hyper-grace". We have received more submissions of infractions due to this topic. And the same names keep coming up. Moderators have asked what is hyper grace and where do you stand on the subject? those who were asked have provided their understanding. Now it is not that CC agree with nor against this doctrine as many hold to calvinist and the positions and have scriptural ref to support their understanding. BUT maturity and not attacking those is what is needed. here is what we get when the "hyper grace" topic is brought up:

1. your not saved
2. attacks
3. false teacher
4. infraction submitted
5. request for account to be closed
6. name calling
7. "hyper grace" brought into every post when not even the topic of origin

I have given you 7 reasons why this topic is not good for CC Thread and I have yet to find one reason for it.
Admin and the moderators will no longer allow this to continue . And appropriate action will be taken if a member or guest starts a topic on "hyper grace " or Preachers who teach it. remember those who attack each other many of them call themselves christians yet we eat and devour each other. enough is enough. I am not going to dress you personally at this time... You have an opportunity to let it go or CC Admin and Moderators will take action.

God bless,

very respectfully,

CS1

http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/143507-hyper-grace-preachers-doctrine-cc.html

Unfortunately some are still doing the opposite of this request - not speaking of this OP because it looks like it was done in ignorance of the rules.

The mods will deal with those others that are deliberately breaking this request - they are great at extending grace to all of us here....

 

[blue_ladybug]

All I know is CS1 made a thread, and Oncefallen enforced it. It's at the top of this forum. And since hyper grace doesn't exist anyway, isn't it kinda stupid to debate it? lol

I didn't know the mods made it where no hyper grace threads could be made at all, I mean i respect the mods decision but isn't that kind of like silencing and limiting?

 

[Cee]

Hyper-grace is the idea that you're actually transformed by the grace of God and now desire the things of God not sin.

And if you do struggle with sin it's because you need your mind renewed to how good and kind God is and who you are in Christ.

 

[blue_ladybug]

GRACE transforms us. There is no hyper, hypo, hype-whatever, to grace. Pure and simple, grace is grace.. God gave us grace, not hyper grace. Nowhere in the bible, will you find where it talks about hyper grace.

Hyper-grace is the idea that you're actually transformed by the grace of God and now desire the things of God not sin.

And if you do struggle with sin it's because you need your mind renewed to how good and kind God is and who you are in Christ.

 

[Cee]

I assure you there are such people a I am friends with one

If I was friends with your friend, I'd ask him why does he even desire sin? It's not like sin is good, it leads to death and destruction.

And then I'd follow deeper with: What desire is he trying to get filled from sin's lure that he doesn't realize He can get from knowing God?

The idea that sin is more fulfilling than God is another false mindset. We were designed for God's love and intimacy. People generally don't discover this in their family and churches, they end up turning to a life of sin, until they are taught freedom in Christ. Because that's what they believe they need. But we were not created to sin. We were created to love and be loved.

 

[Willie-T]

Without discernment and understanding yes stay far away from any and all discussions of such, hyper grace is one of those sensitive subjects and is meat that many who try to chew it have yet to finish their milk and thus the war threads of this subject is quite abundant

And, therein lies one of the biggest problems. Almost each and every person involving themselves in this sort of debate swears, up-and-down, that THEY posses "discernment and understanding", in spades..... no matter to which side their views lean.

 

[Cee]

GRACE transforms us. There is no hyper, hypo, hype-whatever, to grace. Pure and simple, grace is grace.. God gave us grace, not hyper grace. Nowhere in the bible, will you find where it talks about hyper grace.

I hear you, but grace means different things to different people. I agree grace is grace. Hyper-grace is a man made name to be able to circumvent a lot of conversation. It's like saying: trinity. It's not in Scripture, but it helps us communicate a lot of unsaid meaning behind one word. So we can build on each idea.

But, yes, there is no hyper-grace in Scripture, but a lot of times we do need to define our understanding of what grace means because there's a lot of ideas out there.

Romans 5:20 Now the law came in to increase the trespass, but where sin increased, grace abounded all the more,

 

[Stephen63]

Just a short explanation This is not a discussion or thread to start one. I simply don't know what HP is need someone to state it in simply terms.

The first person to talk about it & claims it as his own is Joseph Prince. He claims God showed it to him in 1997.
The Ministry | Joseph Prince Ministries

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How The Grace Revolution Began

“If you don’t preach pure, unadulterated grace, people’s lives will never be gloriously blessed and gloriously transformed.” This one statement that God made to Joseph Prince in 1997 completely transformed the way Joseph preached and taught the gospel.

And thus began the Grace Revolution.

Joseph had been holidaying with his wife Wendy in the Swiss Alps and there, amid the majestic landscape, God told him that he had not been preaching grace, and gave him the mandate to preach grace—pure and unadulterated. This meant preaching about God’s grace without attempting to balance, or mix, it with the law. Desiring to see his congregation liberated, empowered and blessed by the Lord, Joseph fully embraced the mandate from God and has not looked back since.

Yes, it's called hyper-grace, If you would like I can refer you to some threads right here in CC about it.

And you're right..... it IS a bad doctrine. There was so much flooding of this doctrine & fighting in the BDF that the Admins of CC outlawed arguing about it..... so don't be drawn into it.

You can search the internet & find many sites that break it dow for what it really is. So, happy hunting.[/TD]
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[breno785au]

Hyper grace sounds like a term that spewed out of Satan's mouth to cause more division...but hey, that's just me.

 

[Grace777x70]

The term "hyper-grace" was actually "coined" by Dr. Michael Brown who did not agree with some aspects of what others understand as the grace of God in the gospel message.

Since then some others have used it as a derogatory way of disparaging what some others believe that are different from what they believe that is in the gospel of the grace of God in Christ's finished work on the cross and resurrection.

People are allowed to disagree in some areas of things - but it's the "foul behavior" that comes from this supposed "discussion" that actually causes the strife and division and therefore has been directed by CC that the term not be used in discussions.

Sounds like the wisdom of God in manifestation to me.

James 3:17 (NASB)
[SUP]17 [/SUP] But the wisdom from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, reasonable, full of mercy and good fruits, unwavering, without hypocrisy.

 

[Blain]

And, therein lies one of the biggest problems. Almost each and every person involving themselves in this sort of debate swears, up-and-down, that THEY posses "discernment and understanding", in spades..... no matter to which side their views lean.

Indeed many claim insight and understanding in this matter however the way they attack and react says different.
It takes one who is willing to understand that they may be wrong to gain such insight and understanding and if one reacts in an aggressive manner when in a debate that opposes their views my first thought wouldn't be they have insight and understanding in that matter.

Something like this is not something just anyone can debate about, only one who can debate such a sensitive subject with love calmness and isn't in it to prove themselves right can debate such a thing because only they will learn from it. The problem being many do not bear such qualities and resort to pointing the finger and attacking and thus such a debate is fruitless

 

[breno785au]

I remember a friend a while ago told me when he went to a certain bible college, after some debating on what they were teaching, one of them said, "So, you're one of those hyper-faiths are you?"... HYPER FAITH, there's some more christianese to stick into your vocabulary!

 

[Blain]

I remember a friend a while ago told me when he went to a certain bible college, after some debating on what they were teaching, one of them said, "So, you're one of those hyper-faiths are you?"... HYPER FAITH, there's some more christianese to stick into your vocabulary!

hyper faiths? now that is one I would love to be called A couple years ago my friend got mad at me because I chose to go to a bible camp instead of hang out with him and play video games and he said to me your taking this Christian thing to far.

I responded to him this is the one thing that you can't take to far in fact I need to take it further

 

[Grace777x70]

I remember a friend a while ago told me when he went to a certain bible college, after some debating on what they were teaching, one of them said, "So, you're one of those hyper-faiths are you?"... HYPER FAITH, there's some more christianese to stick into your vocabulary!

Lol...personally I love the term "hyper-repenting".

I love that term as it shows how we are changing how we think towards truth as we see the true love and grace of God for us - and YES - that includes all types of sinning - from living the homosexual lifestyle to exhibiting malice and slandering others in the body of Christ.

Us religious people love to "categorize" sin but these are all in the same list as works of the flesh. We just love to point out the ones that "we don't do". Those sins are especially bad.... The hypocrisy of us all. ( another work of the flesh....sin is so deceitful )

Thank God for His grace towards us but we are growing up in Him!

 

[dcontroversal]

I remember a friend a while ago told me when he went to a certain bible college, after some debating on what they were teaching, one of them said, "So, you're one of those hyper-faiths are you?"... HYPER FAITH, there's some more christianese to stick into your vocabulary!

Many a man has devised some nice little title, slogan or phrase to describe a particular belief or system of belief.........and I suppose at some time or another most have referenced these names and or utilized the names......

God always puts his word in perspective and or for sure has a balance.....

most miss the fact that grace is not a "thing" as much as it is a place or positioning...the bible speaks to this in numerous places......

IN the GRACE you are having been saved out of faith.....Note it is a place

By whom also we have access by faith into this GRACE wherein WE STAND...

Because of faith and the positioning of grace we are standing in a position to go directly to our Heavenly Father dia Jesus to receive mercy, help, assistance, strength, forgiveness, restoration (fellowship) etc.........

 

[Depleted]

Just a short explanation This is not a discussion or thread to start one. I simply don't know what HP is need someone to state it in simply terms.

HP is shorthand for "Harry Potter."

(I know that was a typo, but it was too funny to pass up. lol)

 

[88]

Very good...when we focus on GRACE---- to the exclusion of the rest of the Word of God ----this can be unbalanced/a type of false Gospel...(Romans 11:22)

 

[Blain]

HP is shorthand for "Harry Potter."

(I know that was a typo, but it was too funny to pass up. lol)

no no no you got it wrong it stands health point every gamer knows that;b

 

[Grandpa]

HP is shorthand for "Harry Potter."

(I know that was a typo, but it was too funny to pass up. lol)

I thought it was Hewlett-Packard...

 

[Angela53510]

Hypergrace was debated so long here, over a year, and do much fighting and reporting it was banned.

Over the year it was debated, I thought it was about legalism vs grace. I realized one day after a post by the strongest hypergrace supporter, that hypergrace was a false cult. They changed the meaning of repentance, to downgrade the whole reason Jesus cane to die on the cross. To save us from our sins, when we believe and "turn from our sins."

A lot of other Biblical words were also changed, supposedly supported by the Greek. Except I know a lot of Koine Greek, and it was not. Many Scriptures were pulled out of context, to say nothing of terrible exegesis. Blain is absolutely correct in his assessment of this heresy. Someone has to represent the truth around here!

Which is to say, stay away from it! It's followers will twist and twist, till your head spins! It took a while to come to my senses about Hypergrace. I am grateful for the people here who exposed the lie!