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Jerry, you nailed it right on the head with this guy. LOL
18 The one who conceals hatred has lying lips, and whoever utters slander is a fool.Proverbs 10


slander with no proof, only show a fool with no answer. lol




 
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if you can not understand the context, to acts 15 or gal 5.

you will have to know the difference between a jew and a christian.

what make you, think you can follow the commandments. when simply, you put a yoke on your own head.

1 For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore, and do not submit again to a yoke of slavery
I think you are making a simple thing complicated. Obey the Lord's commandments. Enjoy the life he gives you.
 
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I think you are making a simple thing complicated. Obey the Lord's commandments. Enjoy the life he gives you.
sorry you are. this is how.

a christian is not a jewish believer.
let me explain, to follow the full law of moses you need a temple of stone. this would be the 10 commandments.
70 ad there is not a temple of stone, and the requirements of this law need a temple of stone.

ie animals to slaughter for forgivness.


john the baptist was preaching repent with voice. this would would be in directly classed as blasphemy to the jewish ˈblasfəmi/ t
noun
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  • the action or offence of speaking sacrilegiously about God or sacred things; profane talk.
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    [TD]profanity, profaneness, sacrilege, irreligiousness, irreverence, taking the Lord's name in vain, swearing, curse, cursing, impiety, impiousness, ungodliness, unholiness,desecration, disrespect; More[/TD]
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a christian is defined as











Christianity is summed up with these 3 verses.
For God So Loved the World
16 "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him.18 Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God.



jesus is back in heaven after 32 ad.

and the apostles paul who was at acts 15 and gal etc was teaching about a relationship to a redeemer or saviour. that saved you from the consequence of sin.

18 Therefore, as one trespass led to condemnation for all men, so one act of righteousness leads to justification and life for all men

the point ,we believe in a god through jesus christ.

.21 I do not nullify the grace of God, for if righteousness were through the law, then Christ died for no purpose.Galatians 2
 
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Good points made already in this thread. One thing I'd like to add to this discussion is that Scripture should be treasured because it's the word of God and a historical account of man's beginnings ( our fall) and the plan of redemption. As with any other form of history, the admonition that those who do not read history are doomed to repeat it, applies in this case as well. Also, it's kind of shortsighted to expect God to give us all a personal revelation when he's already given us detailed instructions and wisdom in Scripture. We need to put out effort to diligently study scripture and draw closer to God. God answers our prayers and requests for wisdom but he does expect us to show initiative and study his word.

Lastly, Scripture gives us a standardized way to evangelize and fellowship with others. Imagine if everyone claimed to have had a different revelation from Christ and we had no scripture to judge these claims.
i could not agree more ,the scripture should be treasured.

thats, my whole point about this topic, being in context to interpretation of scripture. etc
 
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sorry you are. this is how.

a christian is not a jewish believer.
let me explain, to follow the full law of moses you need a temple of stone. this would be the 10 commandments.
70 ad there is not a temple of stone, and the requirements of this law need a temple of stone.

ie animals to slaughter for forgivness.


john the baptist was preaching repent with voice. this would would be in directly classed as blasphemy to the jewish ˈblasfəmi/ t
noun
[COLOR=#878787 !important][/COLOR]

  • the action or offence of speaking sacrilegiously about God or sacred things; profane talk.
    [COLOR=#878787 !important]"he was detained on charges of blasphemy"[/COLOR]
    [TABLE="class: vk_tbl vk_gy"]
    [TR]
    [TD="class: lr_dct_nyms_ttl"]synonyms:[/TD]
    [TD]profanity, profaneness, sacrilege, irreligiousness, irreverence, taking the Lord's name in vain, swearing, curse, cursing, impiety, impiousness, ungodliness, unholiness,desecration, disrespect; More[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [/TABLE]







a christian is defined as











Christianity is summed up with these 3 verses.
For God So Loved the World
16 "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him.18 Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God.



jesus is back in heaven after 32 ad.

and the apostles paul who was at acts 15 and gal etc was teaching about a relationship to a redeemer or saviour. that saved you from the consequence of sin.

18 Therefore, as one trespass led to condemnation for all men, so one act of righteousness leads to justification and life for all men

the point ,we believe in a god through jesus christ.

.21 I do not nullify the grace of God, for if righteousness were through the law, then Christ died for no purpose.Galatians 2
Obey the commandments.
 
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Obey the commandments.
4 times, you have been corrected in your folly. with no scripture to back up your opinion.
i will let paul tell you again, the difference between , law v saviour. only one of these can saved you.

3 I testify again to every man who accepts circumcision that he is obligated to keep the whole law.Galatians 5

4 You are severed from Christ, you who would be justified by the law; you have fallen away from graceGalatians 5: Christ Has Set Us Free
now i will tell you, follow the full law, with no temple of stone. 70 ad.

6 For the fool speaks folly, and his heart is busy with iniquity, to practice ungodliness, to utter error concerning the LORD, to leave the craving of the hungry unsatisfied, and to deprive the thirsty of drink.Isaiah 32
 
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that's what the Pharisees did - hence thier self righteousness
No, the Pharisees had written their own law. I'm not talking about the Pharisees' law. I'm talking about the Lord's commandments.
 
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4 times, you have been corrected in your folly. with no scripture to back up your opinion.
i will let paul tell you again, the difference between , law v saviour. only one of these can saved you.

3 I testify again to every man who accepts circumcision that he is obligated to keep the whole law.Galatians 5

4 You are severed from Christ, you who would be justified by the law; you have fallen away from graceGalatians 5: Christ Has Set Us Free
now i will tell you, follow the full law, with no temple of stone. 70 ad.

6 For the fool speaks folly, and his heart is busy with iniquity, to practice ungodliness, to utter error concerning the LORD, to leave the craving of the hungry unsatisfied, and to deprive the thirsty of drink.Isaiah 32
[1] Every one who believes that Jesus is the Christ is a child of God, and every one who loves the parent loves the child.
[2] By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God and obey his commandments.
[3] For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments. And his commandments are not burdensome. 1 John 5:1-3 RSV
 
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[1] Every one who believes that Jesus is the Christ is a child of God, and every one who loves the parent loves the child.
[2] By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God and obey his commandments.
[3] For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments. And his commandments are not burdensome. 1 John 5:1-3 RSV
if your going to mix and match jews and christain believers get you facts correct. acts 15
all ready quoted to you..

14 For when Gentiles, who do not have the law, by nature do what the law requires, they are a law to themselves, even though they do not have the law.1


17 For in it the righteousness of God is revealed from faith for faith, as it is written, "The righteous shall live by faith."



19 Now we know that whatever the law says it speaks to those who are under the law, so that every mouth may be stopped, and the whole world may be held accountable to God.20 For by works of the law no human being will be justified in his sight, since through the law comes knowledge of sin.


29 Or is God the God of Jews only? Is he not the God of Gentiles also? Yes, of Gentiles also,30 since God is one---who will justify the circumcised by faith and the uncircumcised through faithRomans 3


paul an apostle to the gentiles, peter an apostle to the jewish. up in till 70 ad were no jewish person could follow the full law of moses via a temple of stone.

7 On the contrary, when they saw that I had been entrusted with the gospel to the uncircumcised, just as Peter had been entrusted with the gospel to the circumcised8 (for he who worked through Peter for his apostolic ministry to the circumcised worked also through me for mine to the Gentiles),



making the prophet isa

6 he says:
"It is too light a thing that you should be my servant
to raise up the tribes of Jacob
and to bring back the preserved of Israel;
I will make you as a light for the nations,
that my salvation may reach to the end of the earth."Isaiah 49: The Servant of the LORD



not a jewish law, that was never given to a gentile believer, yet gave repentance to jewish christain believers. with a voice.
 
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No, the Pharisees had written their own law. I'm not talking about the Pharisees' law. I'm talking about the Lord's commandments.
what commandments. when was a gentile saved, do you think history is in a time freeze state the same as your bible quotes .

if you dont understand what paul has said in gal 5 v 1-4

then your back in an unsaved state.
 

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18 The one who conceals hatred has lying lips, and whoever utters slander is a fool.Proverbs 10
Are you concealing hatred? It has been pointed out to you on previous occasions that your posts are quite obtuse, and that it seems English is not your first language, so whatever point you are trying to get across is often buried in the mire of your inability to communicate clearly. To say so is not slander, however much you may wish it to be to suit your questionable purposes.
 
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Are you concealing hatred? It has been pointed out to you on previous occasions that your posts are quite obtuse, and that it seems English is not your first language, so whatever point you are trying to get across is often buried in the mire of your inability to communicate clearly. To say so is not slander, however much you may wish it to be to suit your questionable purposes.
and your here, to tell me, i can not write, or did you miss the bible quotes in order, that you can test the scripture for your self.

but since it would be too much trouble for you to test the scripture i gave. then it will only be class, as a rant, and if you have anything, that is in context, to what has been said, feel free to add it, with scripture. if you don t understand .how i write feel free to move on to the next topic forum.
 
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or dont understand what has changed.

faith in a god is a simple equation, you either believe in him or you don t believe in him. ( god)

why do you need a bible , if the rhema word of god, speaks direct to a personal believer.
that would be out side of what you can read in the bible. ie given you a personal direction in your own life.
and give you a personal direct line to god.
Because God says in 2 Peter that the bible is a more sure word than hearing a voice.

2Pe 1:17 For he received from God the Father honour and glory, when there came such a voice to him from the excellent glory, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.
2Pe 1:18 And this voice which came from heaven we heard, when we were with him in the holy mount.
2Pe 1:19 We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts:
2Pe 1:20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.
2Pe 1:21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

And because God says in 1 Pet that we are born again BY the word of God.

1Pe 1:23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.

How are you going to know what the word of God is if you don't have it, or at least look at it.
And I don't know about anybody else, but I have heard more than one voice, that turned out to be false.
There was a man who go healed of an incurable diseases, but later that day, he heard an audible voice tell him to get his things in order, because he was going to die that night.
It never did come to pass.
Psychics and mediums also hear voices, but it's not the right voice.
How will you know who you are hearing from without the word of God to shed some light on the matter?

And I guess you were quoting some verse in the bible when you wrote, "cor2 v8 For we cannot do anything against the truth, but only for the truth"
It doesn't sound correct when you compare it to the parable of the sower sowing seed.
 

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and your here, to tell me, i can not write, or did you miss the bible quotes in order, that you can test the scripture for your self.

but since it would be too much trouble for you to test the scripture i gave. then it will only be class, as a rant, and if you have anything, that is in context, to what has been said, feel free to add it, with scripture. if you don t understand .how i write feel free to move on to the next topic forum.
Are you denying that a number of people over a period of time have told you that you are not just difficult to understand, but impossible at times to decipher? Don't just brush this off and pretend the problem is with me or only confined to this thread. It is an ongoing continuous problem with you; pointing it out is not slander no matter how you wish to slice it to make yourself look and/or feel better about it.
 

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this may come as a shock to you but our Savior was Jewish born of the tribe of Judah and gentiles (nations) are not longer gentiles but partakers of the promises by being grafted into the original olive tree, there is more to this then most realize...
 
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if your going to mix and match jews and christain believers get you facts correct. acts 15
all ready quoted to you..

14 For when Gentiles, who do not have the law, by nature do what the law requires, they are a law to themselves, even though they do not have the law.1


17 For in it the righteousness of God is revealed from faith for faith, as it is written, "The righteous shall live by faith."



19 Now we know that whatever the law says it speaks to those who are under the law, so that every mouth may be stopped, and the whole world may be held accountable to God.20 For by works of the law no human being will be justified in his sight, since through the law comes knowledge of sin.


29 Or is God the God of Jews only? Is he not the God of Gentiles also? Yes, of Gentiles also,30 since God is one---who will justify the circumcised by faith and the uncircumcised through faithRomans 3


paul an apostle to the gentiles, peter an apostle to the jewish. up in till 70 ad were no jewish person could follow the full law of moses via a temple of stone.

7 On the contrary, when they saw that I had been entrusted with the gospel to the uncircumcised, just as Peter had been entrusted with the gospel to the circumcised8 (for he who worked through Peter for his apostolic ministry to the circumcised worked also through me for mine to the Gentiles),



making the prophet isa

6 he says:
"It is too light a thing that you should be my servant
to raise up the tribes of Jacob
and to bring back the preserved of Israel;
I will make you as a light for the nations,
that my salvation may reach to the end of the earth."Isaiah 49: The Servant of the LORD



not a jewish law, that was never given to a gentile believer, yet gave repentance to jewish christain believers. with a voice.
Obey the Lord's commandments.
 
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what commandments. when was a gentile saved, do you think history is in a time freeze state the same as your bible quotes .

if you dont understand what paul has said in gal 5 v 1-4

then your back in an unsaved state.
“You know the commandments: `Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Honor your father and mother.'” Luke 18:20 RSV