What is the proper way to preach grace?

[stonesoffire]

This, thats what brings us to love and obedience!!!

Psalms 25:14-18, “The secret of יהוה is with those who fear Him, And He makes His covenant known to them. My eyes are ever toward יהוה, For He brings my feet out of the net. Turn Your face to me, and show me favor, For I am lonely and afflicted. The distresses of my heart have enlarged; Oh, bring me out of my distresses! Look on my affliction and my toil, And forgive all my sins.”

Life in the Spirit Hiz....


Are you a Judaizer?

 

[joaniemarie]

[FONT=&quot]Again, we have to see those verses with a view from the cross. We are in the new covenant so those verses mean different things for us. The law is no longer over us like before. The law is the ministry of death because the power of sin is the law. But thanks be to God that Jesus gave us the victory!

1 Cor.15:56-58

[/FONT][SUP]56 [/SUP]The sting of death is sin; and the power of sin is the law: [SUP]57 [/SUP]but thanks be to God, who giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ. [SUP]58 [/SUP]Wherefore, my beloved brethren, be ye stedfast, unmoveable, always abounding in the work of the Lord, forasmuch as ye know that your labor is not [SUP][a][/SUP]vain in the Lord.
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The law told us to do what we could not do and we were condemned every time. But in Christ the law is fulfilled. What the law could not do for us., Christ did!! ALLELUIA

I just looked in the Concordance at the word Law. See all the verses that free us from the law. Christians are told that there is no law against us anymore. The works of the law cannot justify anyone. Faith is the operative word here.

The law fulfilled it's purpose to show us how powerless we are without Christ. We NEED JESUS. Now we HAVE Jesus. So walk in Him.
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[joaniemarie]

make a mistake on this new post just written but don't know how to cancel..

 

[Grandpa]

SO the Messiah said this and it is true, yet if I said it I would be called a justified by works pharisee...

John/Yahanan 5:28-30, “Do not be astonished at this-for the hour is coming in which all who are in the graves will hear His voice, and will come forth. Those who have practiced righteousness will be resurrected in order to live; and those who have practiced wickedness will be resurrected in order to be damned."

Can anyone tell me this is not 100% true?

Romans 9:30-33
[FONT=&quot]30 What shall we say then? That the Gentiles, which followed not after righteousness, have attained to righteousness, even the righteousness which is of faith.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]31 But Israel, which followed after the law of righteousness, hath not attained to the law of righteousness.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]32 Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone;[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]33 As it is written, Behold, I lay in Sion a stumblingstone and rock of offence: and whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.

Is this not also 100% true?[/FONT]

 

[Grandpa]

What is the proper way to trick Christians into denying Grace and going back to their work at the law? I suppose you can't trick true Christians, but maybe baby Christians who don't know better yet.

Galatians 2:19-21
[FONT=&quot]19 For I through the law am dead to the law, that I might live unto God.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]20 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.

Romans 10:2-4
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[FONT=&quot]2 For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]3 For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.

I don't know why I keep posting scripture that the legalist and judaizer can't even understand. Well, its to someone who the Word won't return void to.[/FONT]

 

[Hizikyah]

Life in the Spirit Hiz....


Are you a Judaizer?

That's funny. A Judaizer by definition is someone who pushes the religion of Judaisim. Judaisim is based in the Talmud, 23 volumes of books that contain man made law that "superseed" Yah's Laws.

No I am not a judazier. I am against tradition no matter who it comes from, Jews, Christians, anything. I say Scripture only.

 

[Hizikyah]

1 Cor.15:56-58
[SUP]56 [/SUP]The sting of death is sin; and the power of sin is the law: [SUP]57 [/SUP]but thanks be to God, who giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ. [SUP]58 [/SUP]Wherefore, my beloved brethren, be ye stedfast, unmoveable, always abounding in the work of the Lord, forasmuch as ye know that your labor is not [SUP][a][/SUP]vain in the Lord.

You are taking that passage out of context, none have gone through that transformation yet;

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]1 Corinthians 15:51-55, “See, I speak a secret to you: We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. For this corruptible has to put on incorruption, and this mortal to put on immortality. And when this corruptible has put on incorruption, and this mortal has put on immortality, then shall come to be the word that has been written, “Death is swallowed up in overcoming. O Death, where is your sting? O grave, where is your overcoming?
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Again, we have to see those verses with a view from the cross. We are in the new covenant so those verses mean different things for us. The law is no longer over us like before. The law is the ministry of death because the power of sin is the law. But thanks be to God that Jesus gave us the victory!

1 Cor.15:56-58

[SUP]56 [/SUP]The sting of death is sin; and the power of sin is the law: [SUP]57 [/SUP]but thanks be to God, who giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ. [SUP]58 [/SUP]Wherefore, my beloved brethren, be ye stedfast, unmoveable, always abounding in the work of the Lord, forasmuch as ye know that your labor is not [SUP][a][/SUP]vain in the Lord.


The law told us to do what we could not do and we were condemned every time. But in Christ the law is fulfilled. What the law could not do for us., Christ did!! ALLELUIA

I just looked in the Concordance at the word Law. See all the verses that free us from the law. Christians are told that there is no law against us anymore. The works of the law cannot justify anyone. Faith is the operative word here.

The law fulfilled it's purpose to show us how powerless we are without Christ. We NEED JESUS. Now we HAVE Jesus. So walk in Him.

You are misusing Scriptual principles over and over... The law of sin and death is nt do not steal,it is breaking do not steal aka livingin sin...

You said " we have to see those verses with a view from the cross. We are in the new covenant"

New Covenant?


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Hebrews 10:16, "This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, says YHWH: I will put My Law into their hearts, and in their minds I will write them.”[/FONT]

 

[Hizikyah]

SO the Messiah said this and it is true, yet if I said it I would be called a justified by works pharisee...

John/Yahanan 5:28-30, “Do not be astonished at this-for the hour is coming in which all who are in the graves will hear His voice, and will come forth. Those who have practiced righteousness will be resurrected in order to live; and those who have practiced wickedness will be resurrected in order to be damned."

Can anyone tell me this is not 100% true?

Romans 9:30-33
30 What shall we say then? That the Gentiles, which followed not after righteousness, have attained to righteousness, even the righteousness which is of faith.
31 But Israel, which followed after the law of righteousness, hath not attained to the law of righteousness.
32 Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone;
33 As it is written, Behold, I lay in Sion a stumblingstone and rock of offence: and whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.

Is this not also 100% true?

Why did they stumble? Because they submitted o Him or they rejected YHWH and Yahsua?

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]John 12:42, “Still, even among the rulers many did believe in Him, but because of the Pharisees they did not confess Him, lest they should be put out of the congregation.”[/FONT]​

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Mattithyah 15:2-3, "Why do Your disciples transgress the traditions of the elders? For they do not wash their hands when they eat. But He answered, and said to them; And why do you transgress the Laws of Yahweh by your traditions?"[/FONT]​

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Mat 23:23, "“Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! Because you tithe the mint and the anise and the cumin, and have neglected the weightier matters of the Torah: the right-ruling and the compassion and the belief. These need to have been done, without neglecting the others.”[/FONT]​

 

[Hizikyah]

How is it tricking people to deny grace and "work the law?"

The Creator said;

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Ezekiel 11:19-21, “And I shall give them one heart, and put a new spirit within you. And I shall take the stony heart out of their flesh, and give them a heart of flesh, so that they walk in My laws, and guard My right-rulings, and shall do them. And they shall be My people and I shall be their Strength. But to those whose hearts walk after the heart of their disgusting matters and their abominations, I shall recompense their deeds on their own heads,” declares the Master [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif].”[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Jeremiah 31:33, "For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israyl: After those days, says YHWH: I will put My Law (Torah/Instructions) in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts, and I will be their Strength, and they will be My people."[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Hebrews 10:16, "This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, says YHWH: I will put My Law into their hearts, and in their minds I will write them.”\

If one understands those verses maybe they can then understand this;

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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Romans 7:25, “[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Thanks be to YHWH, I have deliverance through Yahshua Messiah our King! So then, with this same mind, I myself serve the Law of YHWH[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif], [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]while in the flesh that is yet subject to the law of sin[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif].”[/FONT]

What is the proper way to trick Christians into denying Grace and going back to their work at the law? I suppose you can't trick true Christians, but maybe baby Christians who don't know better yet.

Galatians 2:19-21
19 For I through the law am dead to the law, that I might live unto God.
20 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.
21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Romans 7 -[/FONT]



[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]7 What? Can anyone therefore say that the Law is sin? No! By no means! But to the contrary, I did not know sin; transgression of the Law, except through the Law, for I did not know lust, unless the Law had said: Do not covet.[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]12 Therefore the Law is holy, and the commandments are holy, and just, and righteous.[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]13 Did that which is righteous, then, become death to me? By no means! But in order that sin might be recognized as sin, it produced death in me through that which was righteous, so that through the commandments, sin might become utterly sinful.[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]14 For we know that the Law is spiritual; but I was carnal, sold into the power of sin*.[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]1 John 3:4, "...for sin is the transgression of the Law."

Again you olny quote Paul of whom this was written;

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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]2 Peter 3:15-17, "and reckon the patience of our Master as deliverance, as also our beloved brother Paul wrote to you, according to the wisdom given to him, as also in all his letters, speaking in them concerning these matters, in which some are hard to understand, which those who are untaught and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do also the other Scriptures. You, then, beloved ones, being forewarned, watch, lest you also fall from your own steadfastness, being led away with the delusion of the lawless,"[/FONT]

Romans 10:2-4

2 For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge.
3 For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.
4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.

I don't know why I keep posting scripture that the legalist and judaizer can't even understand. Well, its to someone who the Word won't return void to.

You show your character with the name calling...and you tell me I don't understand but you are misusingRomans 10:1-4, for 2 reasons, you dont understand Paul was talking about Pharisees who made their own law and you have been misled by a translation that does not properly translate "telos";

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Romans 10:3, "[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]For not knowing the righteousness of Yah, and seeking to establish their own righteousness, they did not subject themselves to the righteousness of Yah[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]."

[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]This is a much misunderstood passage[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif], for it would be sticking up forthe pharisees who made their own law [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]if misunderstood, it was exposing those who would not submit to Yah but again made theor own “way”[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]

Mat 15:2-3, "[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Why do Your disciples transgress the traditions of the elders? For they do not wash their hands when they eat[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]. But He answered, and said to them; And [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]why do you transgress the Laws of Yahweh by your traditions[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]?"[/FONT][/FONT]​

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Romans 10:3-4, "For not knowing the righteousness of Yah, and seeking to establish their own righteousness, they did not subject themselves to the righteousness of Yah. For Messiah is the goal of the ‘Torah unto righteousness’ to everyone who believes."

For not knowing the righteousness of Yah, and seeking to establish their own righteousness;[/FONT]​

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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Mat 15:2-3, "Why do Your disciples transgress the traditions of the elders? For they do not wash their hands when they eat. But He answered, and said to them; And why do you transgress the Laws of Yahweh by your traditions?"[/FONT]​

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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]We can not earn Salvation by only obedience to the Law of the Creator, as James said and as Yahshua Himself said it takes faith and works. Romans 10:4 is a verses mistranslated in the majority of Bibles thus blurring the lines of truth. Christ is not “the end of the Law” but rather Yahshua showed the intent, ultimate result or goal (telos) of keeping the Law of YHWH.[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]The word translated “end” is word#G5056, τέλος, telos, tel'-os[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]From a primary word τέλλω tellō (to set out for a definite point or goal); properly the point aimed at as a limit, that is, (by implication) the conclusion of an act or state (termination [literally, figuratively or indefinitely], result [immediate, ultimate or prophetic], purpose); specifically an impost or levy (as paid):—+ continual, custom, end (-ing), finally, uttermost. Compare G5411.[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Lets look at places this word is used in the Konie Greek originals to get an idea of it meaning and context;[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Romans 10:4, "For Christ is the end (telos) of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth."[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Romans 10:4, "For Yahshua is the ultimate result (telos) of the Law unto righteousness for everyone who believes."[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]1Peter 1:9, "Receiving the end (telos) of your faith, even the salvation of your souls."[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]1 Peter 1:9, "Receiving the ultimate result (telos) of your faith – the salvation of your souls."[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]If the its the end of the Law aka Law is done away or at an end in Romans 10:4 then faith must also be done away or at an end in 1 Peter 1:9. Unless of course “telos” means the goal.[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Greek Dictionary (Lexicon-Concordance) - #G5056 telos {tel'-os} from a primary tello (to set out for a definite point or goal)[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]HELPS Word-studies – 5056 télos (a neuter noun) – properly, consummation (the end-goal, purpose), such as closure with all its results.[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]James 5:11, “Behold, we count them happy which endure. Ye have heard of the patience of Job, and have seen the end (telos) of the Lord; that the Lord is very pitiful, and of tender mercy.”[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]James 5:11, “See, we call those blessed who endure. You have heard of the endurance of Iyoḇ and saw the purpose (telos) of [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה[FONT=Times New Roman, serif], that He is very sympathetic and compassionate.”[/FONT][/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]1 Timothy 1:5, “Now the end (telos) of the commandment is charity out of a pure heart, and of a good conscience, and of faith unfeigned.”[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]1 Timothy 1:5, “Now the goal (telos) of this command is love from a clean heart, from a good conscience and a sincere belief.”[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Greek Dictionary (Lexicon-Concordance) - #5056 telos {tel'-os} from a primary tello (to set out for a definite point or goal)[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]HELPS Word-studies – 5056 télos (a neuter noun) – properly, consummation (the end-goal, purpose), such as closure with all its results.[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Romans 6:22, “But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end (telos) everlasting life.”[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Romans 6:22, “But now, having been set free from sin, and having become servants of Yah, you have your fruit resulting in set-apartness, and the goal (telos); everlasting life.”[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Romans 10:4, "For Christ is the end (telos) of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth."[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Romans 10:4, "For Yahshua is the ultimate result (telos) of the Law unto righteousness for everyone who believes."[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]The word is used in the sense of the end result, the goal, the outcome, not in the sense of the obliteration of the Law…[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]1 Timothy 1:5, “Now the end of the commandment is charity out of a pure heart, and of a good conscience, and of faith unfeigned.”[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]1 Timothy 1:5-7, " But the goal* of our instruction/command is love from a pure heart and a good conscience and a sincere faith. For some men, straying from these things, have turned aside to fruitless discussion, wanting to be teachers of the Law, even though they do not understand either what they are saying or the matters about which they make confident assertions."[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]*goal is word #G5056 télos - Greek Dictionary (Lexicon-Concordance) - #5056 telos {tel'-os} from a primary tello (to set out for a definite point or goal)[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]HELPS Word-studies – 5056 télos (a neuter noun) – properly, consummation (the end-goal, purpose), such as closure with all its results.[/FONT]

 

[Hizikyah]

John/Yahanan 14:15, "If you love Me, keep My commandments."

Luke 6:46-9, “But why do you call Me ‘Master, Master,’ and do not do what I say? "“Everyone who is coming to Me, and is hearing My words and is doing them, I shall show you whom he is like: He is like a man building a house, who dug deep and laid a foundation on the rock. And when a flood came, the stream burst against that house, but was unable to shake it, for it was founded on the rock. But the one hearing and not doing, is like a man who built a house on the earth without a foundation, against which the stream burst, and immediately it fell. And the ruin of that house was great.”

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Jeremiah 6:16, “Thus said YHWH, “Stand in the ways and see, and ask for the old paths, where the good way is, and walk in it; and find rest for yourselves. But they said, ‘We do not walk in it.”[/FONT]

Romans 6:16, "Do you not know that to whom you present yourselves servants for obedience, you are servants of the one whom you obey, whether of sin to death, or of obedience to righteousness?"

 

[Grandpa]

Why did they stumble? Because they submitted o Him or they rejected YHWH and Yahsua?

John 12:42, “Still, even among the rulers many did believe in Him, but because of the Pharisees they did not confess Him, lest they should be put out of the congregation.”​

Mattithyah 15:2-3, "Why do Your disciples transgress the traditions of the elders? For they do not wash their hands when they eat. But He answered, and said to them; And why do you transgress the Laws of Yahweh by your traditions?"​

Mat 23:23, "“Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! Because you tithe the mint and the anise and the cumin, and have neglected the weightier matters of the Torah: the right-ruling and the compassion and the belief. These need to have been done, without neglecting the others.”​

They stumbled because they sought Righteousness not by faith.

But exactly opposite. By the work of their flesh and will and understanding.

Hebrews 11:6 [FONT=&quot]But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.

[/FONT]Galatians 3:12 [FONT=&quot]And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.

[/FONT]Working at the law is not submitting to God. It is doing EXACTLY the same thing as the Pharisees before you.

It should be absolutely obvious. But your twisting and misunderstanding of the scripture is not allowing you to see it.

 

[Hizikyah]

They stumbled because they sought Righteousness not by faith.

But exactly opposite. By the work of their flesh and will and understanding.

Hebrews 11:6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.

Galatians 3:12 And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them*.

Working at the law is not submitting to God. It is doing EXACTLY the same thing as the Pharisees before you.

It should be absolutely obvious. But your twisting and misunderstanding of the scripture is not allowing you to see it.

ok *sure....

 

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If anyone speak, he should do it as one speaking the very Word of God ... KJV1Peter4:11 11." If any man speak, let him speak as the oracles of God; if any man minister, let him do it as of the ability which God given: that God in all things may be glorified through Jesus Christ, to whom be praise and dominion for ever and ever. Amen."

 

[joaniemarie]

The Bible is full of many mysteries that only the Holy Spirit can reveal to us when we are willing to put aside our deeply religious roots. There are millions of things to learn and we are admonished to study the Bible with the Holy Spirit teaching us. Anybody can read the Bible and copy verses over and over. It's opening up the meaning of those verses by allowing the Holy Spirit to reveal Jesus to us and make His truth apply in our lives today.

Allowing the Holy Spirit to transform us by the renewing of our minds to get the proper meaning of those Bible verses is what will change us from glory to glory. I agree with you Grandpa., religion is deeply seeded in people here. We who have come out of our own religious teaching and later accepted the truth about Jesus and His salvation by grace through faith can attest to that truth.

Boldly stepping out of that man made religious system and instead leaning on and daring to allow the Holy Spirit to show us the truth is vitally needed here. Grace and law cannot be mixed. Mixture of the truth of grace and law rinses away the power of His resurrection to a faded religion and so it is the lukewarmness the Bible talks about. Hot or cold... chose one or the other. But both? GACK! It gets "spewed"

If you chose the law., you will at least eventually come to the end of yourself and be so utterly defeated at how you cannot (despite for all your trying) do the law. Catholics especially (like I was) see this and live in condemnation daily for they have a zeal but is not according to the truth. Many born again Christians also have a zeal but not according to the truth because they are seeking to mix law and grace and their lives are weak and beggarly. Many do not live lives of victory nor do they see miracles in their everyday life. They are hanging on by a thread physically and mentally and spiritually.

We walk our Christian lives exactly the way we first accepted Jesus as our personal Savior... by grace through faith. When we begin to walk in the grace of God that Jesus died to give us., we see His life lived out in us just as Galatians 2:20 says.
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20 [/SUP]I have been crucified with Christ [in Him I have shared His crucifixion]; it is no longer I who live, but Christ (the Messiah) lives in me; and the life I now live in the body I live by faith in (by adherence to and reliance on and complete trust in) the Son of God, Who loved me and gave Himself up for me.


Notice the adherence and reliance is not to the LAW but to the faith that their righteousness is IN CHRIST who loved us and gave Himself for us. Many Christians live by their strict reliance and adherence to the law and how well they can follow it trying to establish their own righteousness.., they say they are sorry when they fail and go back and try again to be righteous., fail again., go say they are sorry so as to re establish themselves (they believe) in righteousness again and try again to stay righteous... this goes on all their lives. (I can personally attest to this)

They live lives of major ups and major downs. Never finding that settled place where Jesus is at all times because it is He who has given us that settled place of righteousness.., not us who work for it.

Unless we see the truth that we are/have been made righteous as the gift Jesus gave us at the time we got saved.... A roller coaster life of failure to BE and STAY righteous is how we end up living out our Christian lives here on earth.,weak., double minded., confused., fearful., never knowing what to expect and never having security or the peace that passes all human reason. And that is not what living the Christian life is about in Christ. That is not the victory Jesus paid to give us.

 

[posthuman]

What is the proper way to preach/teach grace/unmerited mercy?

Here is my view;

If preaching grace is done in a way that say there is no need to obey, it is licentiousness.

if we believe, then the "need" to obey doesn't arise because of any doubt that the Lord will be unfaithful to us

 

[posthuman]

We preach by how we live and how we really treat others, what's in a mans heart will come out , no matter how hard one might try to hide it. as far as apologetics, well that's fairly simple, just start reading from Genesis and soon it will be clearly illustrated in the biblical text.

"well that's fairly simple"

jejeje love it ♥

 

[posthuman]

What is the proper way to preach/teach grace/unmerited mercy?

Here is my view;

If preaching grace is done in a way that say there is no need to obey, it is licentiousness.

No one says that. But when Paul taught salvation through the grace of God he was accused of licentiousness by people like you who did not understand the grace of God. (Rom 6.1)

i wouldn't say Hizikyah doesn't understand the grace of God - not any more than what is natural for finite man ((as we are)) to comprehend any aspect of the infinite perfect Almighty

but i believe that the question "should we sin all the more, that grace may abound?" as a natural response doesn't come up, we haven't preached the grace of the Lord by His death and resurrection in the way it should be understood - likewise, if the answer to that question isn't "God forbid!" then we are not preaching the salvation that He has given according to this grace correctly either.

the profound freedom of His grace sounds like license to sin only under the presumption that there is desire to sin which becomes unconstrained - but this presumption is that the one who is saved by this grace through faith in His perfect work of atonement is not redeemed! which is no salvation at all, a fake ID! but God declared His salvation to be by mercy, so that no one can glory, but glory in Him: all glory to Him - which is perfect; He is God alone. and by faith in His mercy, He works regeneration in us in His perfectly patient time - so that he burden of obedience is lifted from us and carried by Him ((did i mention how utterly, unspeakably amazing is His perfect, living grace??)) as He works obedience in us, because Salvation is a person, true and eternal and living and omnipotent and omniscient and real - and time is His mercy, His patience.

He has sanctified and perfected us forever with one perfect sacrifice. this is His rest! it is the purpose of all the sabbaths - that man would know that is is He who sanctifies. our desire towards obedience is the first-fruits of that sanctification which is and our lives in this flesh, as we look towards the blessed hope of His appearing, the introduction to the comprehension of how great He is, His loyal love, as His redemption of our very souls is worked out within us.

our cooperation with Him in the working out of our salvation is not 'our works' - it is Christ living in us, praise God! is He not faithful to complete the work?? He is a sure hope, no matter what death is in this flesh He has ransomed! it is dead! death is conquered. may He come soon, my soul groans, singing the song of all creation - let the sons of God appear! a reed sways in the wind, but a dry branch cracks and falls - even so, it is a broken spirit that is an acceptable sacrificial gift to Him, and it is He who gives life to the dead, and to whom all live.

i think Hizikyah understands this - i think that it is Christ in Hizikyah that 'hungers and thirsts for righteousness' - and i know he will be filled, even as the fullness of God dwelt in Jesus, Yeshua, Immanuel. the fruit of the Spirit is love, and to love God is to hate sin: what else is the desire towards obedience but hatred of transgression? and that's not a quality of natural man! so you have to ask yourself, where did that come from? Who put that there . . ?

 

[valiant]

That's funny. A Judaizer by definition is someone who pushes the religion of Judaisim. Judaisim is based in the Talmud, 23 volumes of books that contain man made law that "superseed" Yah's Laws.

No I am not a judazier. I am against tradition no matter who it comes from, Jews, Christians, anything. I say Scripture only.

A Judaiser is someone the tries to tack judaism onto Christianity, producing a hybrid,

 

[seed_time_harvest]

To give an answer to the thread title,I would say that the proper way to preach Grace Is by preaching about Faith.

 

[Nehemiah6]

To give an answer to the thread title,I would say that the proper way to preach Grace Is by preaching about Faith.

Of course it is faith in the Lord Jesus Christ and His finished work of redemption that saves a sinner. But it is not "about faith" but about BELIEVING on the Lord Jesus Christ, and that includes repentance toward God.

And preaching "grace" means preaching what Christ has taught in connection with grace, and all of that is included in the Great Commission harmonized in the NT.