But, what you've stated isn't the truth. The Greek text says ages of ages, it is possible that ages of ages could be eternity. However, Since Scripture gives us an example of the fire and it didn't burn for eternity we know that it isn't eternal. Also we have prophecy that Gehenna will one day be made holy again to the Lord. So, that is a second confirmation that it will not burn for eternity. That is from the Scriptures and therefore it is truth.
What is your view of Hell and the Lake of Fire? Is it Loving?
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But, what you've stated isn't the truth. The Greek text says ages of ages, it is possible that ages of ages could be eternity. However, Since Scripture gives us an example of the fire and it didn't burn for eternity we know that it isn't eternal. Also we have prophecy that Gehenna will one day be made holy again to the Lord. So, that is a second confirmation that it will not burn for eternity. That is from the Scriptures and therefore it is truth.
Psalm 90:3 Thou turnest men to DESTRUCTION; and sayest, RETURN YE CHILDREN OF MEN!
Did not Jesus say, "I will tell you who you should fear....the one who has power to kill and CAST INTO HELL"
The FEAR of the LORD is the beginning of KNOWLEDGE, but FOOLS despise wisdom and instruction....
Christ Is Truth. One. Hosianna.
yo, wherefrom prophecy of "holy gehenna"?
..thinks it somewhat a redeemer of Eternal Christ Himself like, His beloved lake if fire alright
"lowerings back at lowerers"
you don't want to argue on scripture. telling you.
please read revelation
yo, wherefrom prophecy of "holy gehenna"?
..thinks it somewhat a redeemer of Eternal Christ Himself like, His beloved lake if fire alright
"lowerings back at lowerers"
you don't want to argue on scripture. telling you.
please read revelation
I find it interesting that so many draw this theology from Revelation, an apocalyptic book which is full of symbolism. For those who believe in ETC, let me ask you a question. Do you believe that Jesus was a lamb with seven eyes hanging on a cross?
5 And one of the elders saith unto me, Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Juda, the Root of David, hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof.
6 And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth.
7 And he came and took the book out of the right hand of him that sat upon the throne. (Rev 5:5-7 KJV)
5 And one of the elders saith unto me, Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Juda, the Root of David, hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof.
6 And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth.
7 And he came and took the book out of the right hand of him that sat upon the throne. (Rev 5:5-7 KJV)
3For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour;
4Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.
3And he said unto me, Son of man, can these bones live? And I answered, O Lord God, thou knowest.
11Then he said unto me, Son of man, these bones are the whole house of Israel:
behold, they say, Our bones are dried, and our hope is lost: we are cut off for our parts.
Isaiah 29(16-24)
17Is it not yet a very little while, and Lebanon shall be turned into
a fruitful field, and the fruitful field shall be esteemed as a forest?
18And in that day shall the deaf hear the words of the book,
and the eyes of the blind shall see out of obscurity, and out of darkness.
24They also that erred in spirit shall come to understanding,
and they that murmured shall learn doctrine.
Isaiah 65:20 (KJV)
There shall be no more thence an infant of days, nor an old man that hath not
filled his days: for the child shall die an hundred years old;
but the sinner being an hundred years old shall be accursed.
4Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.
3And he said unto me, Son of man, can these bones live? And I answered, O Lord God, thou knowest.
11Then he said unto me, Son of man, these bones are the whole house of Israel:
behold, they say, Our bones are dried, and our hope is lost: we are cut off for our parts.
Isaiah 29(16-24)
17Is it not yet a very little while, and Lebanon shall be turned into
a fruitful field, and the fruitful field shall be esteemed as a forest?
18And in that day shall the deaf hear the words of the book,
and the eyes of the blind shall see out of obscurity, and out of darkness.
24They also that erred in spirit shall come to understanding,
and they that murmured shall learn doctrine.
Isaiah 65:20 (KJV)
There shall be no more thence an infant of days, nor an old man that hath not
filled his days: for the child shall die an hundred years old;
but the sinner being an hundred years old shall be accursed.
In a biblical sense Gods wrath abides on sin not the people. The people have rejected the need to be separate from their sin so they are bound to their sin forever. The eternal nature of things spiritual leads one to conclude that the punishment on sin is forever and since the people are bound to it they will suffer accordingly. Even former Vice President Dick Cheney cannot alter what God has decreed.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
For the cause of Christ
Roger
It's not I that has a problem, I'm not impugning God's character. God gave the Law to show the Jews and mankind what justice was, an eye for an eye. He told Adam, if he ate from the tree he would die. He said the soul that sins, it shall die. Paul said the wages of sin is death. Everywhere in Scripture the punishment for sin is death. Nowhere in Scripture is it said that the punishment of sin is eternal burning. What I believe is that the wicked will die, they will be burned up in the fire.
The danger is for those who hold to ETC. According to this doctrine God says one thing but then does something. The threatened punishment is death but according to this doctrine that is changed to eternal burning, that's kind of a bait and switch. To threaten one punishment and then give a different one is dishonest. Those who hold the ETC position are in a tight spot on how they can get away with this doctrine and not impugn God's character. Again, God has shown mankind what His idea of justice is. The ETC doctrine doesn't fit into God's teaching on justice.
The danger is for those who hold to ETC. According to this doctrine God says one thing but then does something. The threatened punishment is death but according to this doctrine that is changed to eternal burning, that's kind of a bait and switch. To threaten one punishment and then give a different one is dishonest. Those who hold the ETC position are in a tight spot on how they can get away with this doctrine and not impugn God's character. Again, God has shown mankind what His idea of justice is. The ETC doctrine doesn't fit into God's teaching on justice.
That is precisely what you endeavor to do...judge God. Job had this discussion with God and God asked Job a question. Where were you, Job, when I laid the foundations of the world?
God understands His righteousness and judgment far better than I. God inhabits eternity so He alone knows the severity of His punishment upon sin. I should think that if man considered the severity of hell the need to spend even five minutes there would be more than sufficient reason to take whatever course of action was necessary to avoid it.
This is a question of love. Do you love sin more than God?
For the cause of Christ
Roger
God understands His righteousness and judgment far better than I. God inhabits eternity so He alone knows the severity of His punishment upon sin. I should think that if man considered the severity of hell the need to spend even five minutes there would be more than sufficient reason to take whatever course of action was necessary to avoid it.
This is a question of love. Do you love sin more than God?
For the cause of Christ
Roger